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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
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My eyes are extremely sensitive to light. If I can face my own vehicle head-on and have it behind me without bothering me, then I know that most other drivers aren't being bothered either. Some of the most annoying glare I encounter from HIDs comes from the current generation Escalades. There's something about those things. I've encountered plenty of other vehicles with drop-in HIDs that didn't bother me at all, yet there are plenty of those idiots out there who don't give a care. You can't just make a blanket statement saying it can't be done without bad glare and does nothing to improve the lighting. Are drop-in HIDs in halogen reflector housings optimal? No. Never will be. Can it be done safely in a way that doesn't cause problems for other drivers? Absolutely. |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
Baron, nice post. I can say first hand that the people that don't even try to set up or spec their HID conversion kits should be followed closely at night so they can get the feeling I get.
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And as for your F-350, You should be able to run a similar H4 HID kit as you purchased for your Chevy! IIRC I believe that ford used a 9004 (H4 type set up, dual beam bi-xenon) in that body style! |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
what do you think of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-HALOGEN-H4...sories&vxp=mtr
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I put a "sticky" on this thread and removed the bump posts. It should stay at the top now.
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I have run and ran HID’s in everyone of my vehicles. Even my wife’s, mothers and brothers. In fact xmas comes around a HID kit is one of my favorite things to give. Who doesn’t appreciate brighter headlights at night.
With that being said, I have never had any problems from Johnny Law in the last 12 years or so. My first kit was like 650 dollars back when HIDs were “new” to the market. Now 85 bucks can get you into almost the same kit. I have ran all temps (colors) and the cool factor is awesome with really purple lights, but visibility is almost null and void. Long story short, HIDs are awesome. But as posted above, adjust your lights—even if you don’t have HIDs, do us all a favor and adjust your lights.. |
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This is the truth. Just popping in HID bulbs in non-HID housings is improper and irresponsible! You WILL cause glare and unsafe conditions for others! Not to rain on a sales parade, but it is like any mod, do it right. |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I'm going to see if I can get lightwerkz (http://shop.lightwerkz.net/HID-Projectors) to retrofit some projectors into some 7 inch jeep headlights.
I really dig the Mercedes G-glass headlamps. I'm hoping the retrofit would look something like this: ![]()
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Here'a a better explanation of why drop in's cause glare. This is the mechanics of lighting and aiming and everyone agrees on this stuff. In a Halogen housing the shape of the reflector and the design of the fresnel lens work together to aim the light into a cut-off pattern on low beams. Everything about the beam pattern hinges around where the filament is located. The edge of the glowing filament creates the cut-off pattern when aimed out the reflector and lens. When you change the light source size and placement you also change how the light is aimed because the reflector/lens combo hasn't been redesigned to work with the new light source. The aim is determined by the placement and size of the filament, and the glowing filament's edge is the center point by which the aim is designed into the housing. ![]() HID's use a completely different way to control the beam pattern. The "shielding" shown in the pic is a flap that drops out of the way to make a full high beam pattern. When it's up it creates the low beam cut-off. A solenoid controls the position of the flap. The aim/shape of the low beam cut-off is not determined by the size or placement of the light source- the edge of the flap blocks off a section of the reflector's light. ![]() When you understand these two diagrams it becomes obvious that it's impossible to change the size and placement of light source in a housing without changing the aim and increasing glare. HID's have a huge light source compared to the small filament in a halogen bulb. Drop in's also lose the high/low beam feature because there is only one filament and no flap/solenoid to control the light beam. Quote:
Proper aim is that the beam pattern drops 3-4 inches every 25 feet. This allows for a low beam beam pattern that shines far enough out for city driving in traffic but doesn't cause excessive glare when topping a hill or driving in areas with differences in elevation where oncoming traffic is lower than the opposite lane. No matter how bright your lights are, they need to be aimed slightly down. The brighter the lights are, the more they need a sharp cut-off on low beams.
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
Ive been trying to find a set tri bar housings that I like to use with HID's. What do you think of these? http://www.rodtiques.com/catalog.php...bar_Headlights
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I dont mean to cause any flack but ive been researching this for quite some time. I want hid's in my 68 really bad. http://forums.evolutionm.net/04-06-r...-housings.html This post makes the most since to me. Read it and tell me what you think.
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
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Here's a good source for complete HID retrofit kits. They sell Bi-Xenon kits so you retain your low/high beam function. http://www.theretrofitsource.com/index.php?cPath=24 Edit- they have a Bi-Xenon projector retrofit kit that works well in our 7" headlights. You'll need clear lens H4 housings to install the projectors. Looks like a very clean, simple, and effective conversion. I'm going to look into this for my '66 C10. $295 for the projectors, bulbs, 35 watt ballast, projector shrouds, relay harness, and shipping is included. http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...roducts_id=237
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
Ive been meaning to post this for a while but this is what I plan on doing. Kinda like what is above ^ but with tri bars, I think it completes the "look". http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums...d.php?t=149042
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I just bought these off eRape. Seemed like a good price for everything.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7X7-H6024-PR...51dcd5&vxp=mtr |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
For under $270 you can get a manufactured projector unit. Plug and play, 5 year warranty, HID ready.
Remember guys, a decent projector alone (without the 7" housing) costs at least $100-150. Kits that are <$100 with housings and HID kits are typically poor quality and can be dangerous on the road. |
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Wow. Thx for the link
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Those are awesome!
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
No problem. We are actually looking for some folks to test out some kits for promo pictures. Mainly our Black kits in 7" and 7x6". Let me know if anyone is interested! You get a $100 discount in exchange for a short write up and some nice high quality photos. We've had a few customer's photos show up on some pretty big websites and advertisements for some of our larger dealers.
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I would probably do it but I think my truck is a little too ugly for yalls promo pictures. lol
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I did a quick copy and paste in MS paint.
[IMG] ![]() I would but I have too many other things to spend money on right now. Really good deal though, especially with a complete HD wiring kit.
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