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SCOTI · 09-24-2003, 06:58 PM

Jewels.... I've got a couple of these 67/8 seats around. I could see if one has the pivot bracket & hardware you need if your interested?

Oh, both of mine pivot like the ones posted in the pics.

72c10step · 09-24-2003, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by palallin
Loosen, rather than remove, Screw 1. Cut a slot in the bend of the bracket below Screw 1. You could then fold the back forward, but the bracket resting on the loosened screw will not allow if to tilt back. If the slot weakens the braket too much, it could be doubled or replaced with a bracket fabbed from thicker steel.

Damn, I just started reading this thread and was thinking the same thing!

lukecp · 09-24-2003, 08:30 PM

My '72's seat flips forward....next time i drive it i will have to look and see if it has been modified or not....i would imagine it is original, but i don't know for sure...

Longhorn Man · 09-24-2003, 08:46 PM

Jewlws, one thing I did not mention when we spoke of this, (becouse I know it does not apply to you) is if you have armrests on your doors, they will get rubbed everytime you flip the seat. (actually the passengers side will get rubbed since you'll be on the drivrer's side 99% of the time)
I wore out both an arm rest, and rubbed a hole in the seat cover from where it was hitting.

This is what I was talking about when I mentioned the stock seat cover would get messed up. The lower left corner where it tucks in underneath will be the first to go, and the rest of it will pop off as soon as you have it tilted. Again, this may not be an issue on yours since you have custom threads on your rig.
Mostly saying this for everyone else who digs your idea.
On your cut, you may need to go with more of a 'V' shape since the arm travels in an arch and not straight onto the screw/stud that will be the stopper. (very good idea by the way)

jewels. · 09-24-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Longhorn Man
On your cut, you may need to go with more of a 'V' shape since the arm travels in an arch and not straight onto the screw/stud that will be the stopper. (very good idea by the way)

yeah, i was thinking of the right cut (as an engineer, i do that), and i think that as long as i follow the line of travel, i should be ok. and if i got it right, i think the line of travel would be a curved path that follows along a radius "yea" far from the pivot screw. so i think i will tie a string to the pivot screw, and draw a curved path that will be cut out.....

kinda like the red path drawn in the picture below...

thanks!

jewels.

krazy_texan · 09-25-2003, 12:50 AM

or you could get a piece of flat plate and angle iron and make a bracket like so

Hooter · 09-25-2003, 01:55 AM

man i like the idea of the slot, why didnt I think of that, too much pot I guess, I would have never have evn thought the the seat would hit the arm rest, i guess they stick out quite far then

sactoC10 · 09-25-2003, 01:59 AM

I am interested in the "large wing nut" solution to this non- folding-forward-seat problem. If anyone knows where such an item may be found, please let me know.

Thanks.

junkyardjohn · 09-25-2003, 10:22 AM

I'VE GOT THE BENCH SEAT OUT OF MY 68 PANEL THAT FOLDS FORWORD. IF ANYONE WANTS TO PICK IT UP IN CARSON CITY NEVADA, THEY'RE WELCOME TO IT FOR FREE.

JOHN

Longhorn Man · 09-25-2003, 06:51 PM

I was stressing trying to figure why my passenger door arm rest and seat cover was tearing...it is rare that anyone else wants to ride in the "death trap" with me. So I went to trying to figure it out and there it was, the seat was smacking it.
Even though my seat is still set up to flip, I never flip it onless I am looking for a quarter or something. Then i just open both doors.

*67Fleetsidedream* · 09-25-2003, 08:06 PM

The only flaw that I see in your design is that the notch will cause the bench seat to loose its strength. The notch is in critical strength area. You may tilt the seat over one day and back rest bends over or snaps off. Just take the screw out closest to the gas tank on each side and make contraption that will keep the back rest in the position that you want. Or you can scoot the seat all the way back and make the pedals longer or you could hang upside down while you sleep at night.

**Richard** · 09-26-2003, 02:01 AM

Hate to be the fuddy duddy but you might want to think about this. In an accident without a securing mecanism the folding seat could slam you into the dash/steering column with more force. That is why all folding seats have them. No one plans to get in an accident, but it is a good idea to be as safe as you can.

jewels. · 09-26-2003, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Richard
Hate to be the fuddy duddy but you might want to think about this. In an accident without a securing mecanism the folding seat could slam you into the dash/steering column with more force. That is why all folding seats have them. No one plans to get in an accident, but it is a good idea to be as safe as you can.

oohhh - excellent point richard!!! thank you!!! i totally overlooked that --- now i must rethink my strategy! cool!

thanks so much!!
i am totally a safety first type of gal!

jewels.

greenhorn male · 09-26-2003, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jewels.

oohhh - excellent point richard!!! thank you!!! i totally overlooked that --- now i must rethink my strategy! cool!

thanks so much!!
i am totally a safety first type of gal!

jewels.

Solution: Notch passenger side then use a pin or the large wingnut on the driver side.

BLACK AND BLUE 67-72 · 09-26-2003, 12:19 PM

Does anyone know if you could use the original folding brackets on your non folding seat? That would probably be the best,. that way you could just put a nut on the bolt to stop it from tilting forward

Fred T · 09-26-2003, 01:44 PM

I don't like the unsecured seat, we've learned too much about safety in the last 30 years. In high school we had guys that did the screw removal method, iirc they stuck a 2x4 on top of the gas tank. The guys that tried the notch method usually ended up with a bent seat frame. This was in the 59-66 trucks. The 67 model was new when I was in high school, few could afford a new vehicle back then.

I was looking at a design to make a lever mechanism to latch both sides of the seat, and was ready to mock it up, but then found seats out of a 98 extended cab pickup. Now I need to put in my burb tank so I can make a storage area where the current fuel tank is.

72shadetree · 09-26-2003, 02:22 PM

why not just get one of the ones that tilt foward for our trucks.there is not a lot of difference in them and transfer seat cover to new seat with the seat cushion just build up or take away to get fit right a good reptuple uphol. shop can do iti .just run it buy my brother he has been in custom uphol for 25 yrs he said it wouldnt be hard to do

jewels. · 09-26-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 72shadetree
why not just get one of the ones that tilt foward for our trucks.there is not a lot of difference in them and transfer seat cover to new seat with the seat cushion just build up or take away to get fit right a good reptuple uphol. shop can do iti .just run it buy my brother he has been in custom uphol for 25 yrs he said it wouldnt be hard to do

yeah - actually - i am starting to think that would be the best solution at this point.... reupholster another seat....

my father owns a furniture store (thats our family business) so re-upholstering is like second nature to me --- i can do it... but i was originally tryin to avoid it...

before i reupholster, i might see if the seat brackets can be easily transferred from the folding seat to my seat....

this calls for a trip to the junkyard!
thanks guys!

jewels.

jimfulco · 09-26-2003, 04:34 PM

What about making a slot above the forward screw & using the rear one to pivot on?

*67Fleetsidedream* · 09-26-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Hate to be the fuddy duddy but you might want to think about this. In an accident without a securing mecanism the folding seat could slam you into the dash/steering column with more force. That is why all folding seats have them. No one plans to get in an accident, but it is a good idea to be as safe as you can

I have a original folding bench in my truck and it does not have a "locking mechinism" to keep it from tilting forward . Also the only way that you can avoid hitting the steering wheel/dash during an accident is to have a 3 point seat belt with a shoulder harness. Sometimes those don't even help.

Longhorn Man · 09-26-2003, 11:34 PM

The seat back would flop like stated if this was stock or not.
The feds did not require positive locks untill 69 if not mistaken.

Hooter · 09-27-2003, 01:23 PM

come to think of it, the folding seat in my brothers 91 sonoma doesnt have a locking mechanism that I can see on it, so I wonder if it is supposed to or not

73stepside · 09-27-2003, 09:55 PM

my 92 camaro doesn't have locking mechanisms on the seats. you can just push them froward with ease. the back of the seat doesn't add enough wait to matter if it is secured upright or not. the tilt of the backrest is what keeps it stationary. you can build a bracket that will remove the bolt butt hold the seat in the same spot when not pushed forward and you will be able to bolt it into the hole that is already there

Longhorn Man · 09-27-2003, 11:38 PM

The later model GM buckets have an inirtia latch in them much like the 3 point seatbelts do. If you were to slam on the brakes (and the switch still works like it is suopposed to) then the seat will lock in the upright position to prevent any further injury.
I know this becouse our old blazer's seat inirtia switch was messed up and sometimes we would have to beat on it to get it to work properly.

09-24-2003, 06:58 PM	#1
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,946	Jewels.... I've got a couple of these 67/8 seats around. I could see if one has the pivot bracket & hardware you need if your interested? Oh, both of mine pivot like the ones posted in the pics. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

09-24-2003, 08:30 PM	#3
lukecp Formerly yellow72custom Join Date: May 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 7,531	My '72's seat flips forward....next time i drive it i will have to look and see if it has been modified or not....i would imagine it is original, but i don't know for sure... __________________ '72 Chevy C10 Mild 350/TH350/3.07. Ochre/White. Old high school ride. '70 GMC C2500 '62 327 4bbl/SM465/4.56-geared Dana 60. White/White. Project or parts truck. '97 Saturn SL DD. 1.9/5-speed. 40+ highway mpg

09-25-2003, 12:50 AM	#6
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09-25-2003, 01:55 AM	#7
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,085	man i like the idea of the slot, why didnt I think of that, too much pot I guess, I would have never have evn thought the the seat would hit the arm rest, i guess they stick out quite far then __________________ Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life

09-25-2003, 10:22 AM	#9
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	I'VE GOT THE BENCH SEAT OUT OF MY 68 PANEL THAT FOLDS FORWORD. IF ANYONE WANTS TO PICK IT UP IN CARSON CITY NEVADA, THEY'RE WELCOME TO IT FOR FREE. JOHN __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

09-24-2003, 08:46 PM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Jewlws, one thing I did not mention when we spoke of this, (becouse I know it does not apply to you) is if you have armrests on your doors, they will get rubbed everytime you flip the seat. (actually the passengers side will get rubbed since you'll be on the drivrer's side 99% of the time) I wore out both an arm rest, and rubbed a hole in the seat cover from where it was hitting. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned the stock seat cover would get messed up. The lower left corner where it tucks in underneath will be the first to go, and the rest of it will pop off as soon as you have it tilted. Again, this may not be an issue on yours since you have custom threads on your rig. Mostly saying this for everyone else who digs your idea. On your cut, you may need to go with more of a 'V' shape since the arm travels in an arch and not straight onto the screw/stud that will be the stopper. (very good idea by the way)

09-25-2003, 01:59 AM	#8
sactoC10 71 DELUX Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northern CA / Sac Posts: 1,056	I am interested in the "large wing nut" solution to this non- folding-forward-seat problem. If anyone knows where such an item may be found, please let me know. Thanks.

09-25-2003, 06:51 PM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I was stressing trying to figure why my passenger door arm rest and seat cover was tearing...it is rare that anyone else wants to ride in the "death trap" with me. So I went to trying to figure it out and there it was, the seat was smacking it. Even though my seat is still set up to flip, I never flip it onless I am looking for a quarter or something. Then i just open both doors.

09-25-2003, 08:06 PM	#11
67Fleetsidedream Wiseass secured himself a BAN Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: MOON!!! Posts: 2,282	The only flaw that I see in your design is that the notch will cause the bench seat to loose its strength. The notch is in critical strength area. You may tilt the seat over one day and back rest bends over or snaps off. Just take the screw out closest to the gas tank on each side and make contraption that will keep the back rest in the position that you want. Or you can scoot the seat all the way back and make the pedals longer or you could hang upside down while you sleep at night.

09-26-2003, 02:01 AM	#12
Richard Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,783	Hate to be the fuddy duddy but you might want to think about this. In an accident without a securing mecanism the folding seat could slam you into the dash/steering column with more force. That is why all folding seats have them. No one plans to get in an accident, but it is a good idea to be as safe as you can. __________________ Richard 1972 K10 Custom Deluxe SWB Fleetside My build https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=800746

09-26-2003, 12:19 PM	#15
BLACK AND BLUE 67-72 Firefighter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Yellville, Ar, USA Posts: 1,943	Does anyone know if you could use the original folding brackets on your non folding seat? That would probably be the best,. that way you could just put a nut on the bolt to stop it from tilting forward __________________ '72 Chevy SWB 350 Auto '67 GMC LWB 350 4 speed '70 Chevy 4x4 Stepside 350 Auto Yellville, Ar. USA Last edited by BLACK AND BLUE 67-72; 09-26-2003 at 12:25 PM.

09-26-2003, 01:44 PM	#16
Fred T Cantankerous Geezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bel Aire, KS Posts: 6,264	I don't like the unsecured seat, we've learned too much about safety in the last 30 years. In high school we had guys that did the screw removal method, iirc they stuck a 2x4 on top of the gas tank. The guys that tried the notch method usually ended up with a bent seat frame. This was in the 59-66 trucks. The 67 model was new when I was in high school, few could afford a new vehicle back then. I was looking at a design to make a lever mechanism to latch both sides of the seat, and was ready to mock it up, but then found seats out of a 98 extended cab pickup. Now I need to put in my burb tank so I can make a storage area where the current fuel tank is. __________________ Fred There is no such thing as too much cam...just not enough engine.

09-26-2003, 02:22 PM	#17
72shadetree KEEP ON TRUCKING Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: martinsville va Posts: 2,563	why not just get one of the ones that tilt foward for our trucks.there is not a lot of difference in them and transfer seat cover to new seat with the seat cushion just build up or take away to get fit right a good reptuple uphol. shop can do iti .just run it buy my brother he has been in custom uphol for 25 yrs he said it wouldnt be hard to do __________________ 72 cheyenne 2wd lwb 71 k20 sons bassett va

09-26-2003, 04:34 PM	#19
jimfulco Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport LA Posts: 3,170	What about making a slot above the forward screw & using the rear one to pivot on?

09-26-2003, 11:34 PM	#21
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	The seat back would flop like stated if this was stock or not. The feds did not require positive locks untill 69 if not mistaken.



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09-27-2003, 01:23 PM	#22
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,085	come to think of it, the folding seat in my brothers 91 sonoma doesnt have a locking mechanism that I can see on it, so I wonder if it is supposed to or not __________________ Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life

09-27-2003, 09:55 PM	#23
73stepside Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Moore OK 73160 Posts: 974	my 92 camaro doesn't have locking mechanisms on the seats. you can just push them froward with ease. the back of the seat doesn't add enough wait to matter if it is secured upright or not. the tilt of the backrest is what keeps it stationary. you can build a bracket that will remove the bolt butt hold the seat in the same spot when not pushed forward and you will be able to bolt it into the hole that is already there __________________ 04 GMC Sierra RCSS 70 CST LWB 04 HD Sportster 1200 Custom

09-27-2003, 11:38 PM	#24
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	The later model GM buckets have an inirtia latch in them much like the 3 point seatbelts do. If you were to slam on the brakes (and the switch still works like it is suopposed to) then the seat will lock in the upright position to prevent any further injury. I know this becouse our old blazer's seat inirtia switch was messed up and sometimes we would have to beat on it to get it to work properly.

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