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That's awesome. Make sure you post some pics when it shows up. I'm curious how they pack these things. Also, do they charge sales tax when you buy these engines?
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Yes, it used to be in all oils but has been phased out over the years. Some brands still have it, I think Valvoline might make an oil "for older cars" that still has it, I think Rotella still has it, but it's better to be safe than sorry. I've been running this stuff in my 350 and ford 289 for years. You only need one per oil change.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...=zddp&_sacat=0
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the flexplate is 60 bucks.. and I'd not put a used flexplate on a new engine with a worn starter gear.. as for changing the cam.. you get 300+ h/p as is... more than enough.. if they are looking at a 260hp 350 with smog heads. intake is 200-250.. What does it cost to rebuild the new crate engine if you wipe a lobe?? off that flat tappet?? |
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Is this a trick question? The answer is nothing. It's under warranty.
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Engine tech has come a long way since our trucks were new. My 98 Vortec 350 will easily outrun my 69 350 4bbl, and because it has a roller, I never worry about flat lobes. I realize that the vortec heads and FI have a lot to do with the better performance, but if my 69 needed a new engine, I'd be sure to get one with a roller cam, and vortec heads. If available, I'd get one tuned for low end torque, as someone already pointed out, the engines in our trucks spend almost all their time running at low revs.
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Read the fine print.. warranty is if it is installed at an approved shop/dealership.. Even my g.m. vortec 4 bolt main crate engine with 3y 36k warranty states this.. You wipe a lobe.. you now out an engine.. what is cheaper.. having a shop(dealership) install and break in a smog headed flat tappet engine.. or buy the vortec for 1900.00 and diy install and not having to worry about break in other than fire it up,, and after the first running change the oil, and after 500 miles change it again.. Last edited by James the III; 02-08-2017 at 06:59 AM. |
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![]() "1. Parts and labor warranty when installed by a GM Dealer or qualified installing Independent Service Center (ISC). 2. Parts and labor warranty when sold over the counter and REPAIRED by a GM Dealer or qualified installing Independent Service "
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does it say sold over the counter and installed by end user?? read #1 again.. #2 is about it being repaired and installed. Does not say, warranty if sold over the country and installed by anyone.. it states, dealer or a ISC not joe smo in his garage at home nope.. warranty void.. Last edited by James the III; 02-08-2017 at 08:25 AM. |
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So yes you can install it yourself and if something breaks you take it to the dealer/certified repair facility to have it fixed for 3 years/100,0000 miles. Oh and if you repair it yourself GM will warranty the parts.
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![]() The biggest caveat us 67-68 owners have to look at is the "non cataloged" installs. The way it's been explained to me, is that if you install a 350 in a vehicle that didn't have a 350 you only get the 1 yr 12 month warranty because there was no 350 installed in trucks in 1967/68. It might be possible you could argue you replaced an existing 350 with the new motor. If anyone wants to read the entire warranty: http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf...87warranty.pdf As always, pay attention to what it does/doesn't cover: Quote:
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There's also a bunch of GM part numbers listed for recommended parts. It's been helpful to me.
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I decided to go with the Lucas oil hot rod oil. It's about $7.50 a quart but it's got the zinc specifically for the flat tappet cams.
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This brings up a question... Has anyone here experienced a cam wipe on a new crate engine? I gotta think GM is slathering these things up pretty good with Moly Lube so they don't have a BAJILLION warranty claims. Right? The reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting the 195hp version for my truck, but I'm kinda freaked out about burning up a brand new cam and what that will do to the rest of the engine.
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I recently bought a crate from Radley through eBay.
Very good communication from both the seller and freight company. Excellent price; which included delivery to my home in St.Louis, and liftgate dropoff at my garage. Couldnt be more satisfied.
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The old 195 hp flat tappet version is a good motor as long as you keep zinc in the oil but it isn't even close to the vortec engine. With the vortec you get more power, better gas milage, and longer engine life. The vortec will go past 250,000 and still be running strong.
As for changing the cam in the vortec engine I wouldn't do it unless I was putting the motor in a lighter vehicle. The factory cam works great for these 4000 lb trucks but If I was going to change the cam I would pull the heads and have a machine shop cut down the valve bosses, add better valve springs, and install screw in studs. Then I would get something with a 490 or so lift. Anything else is a waste of time and money in my opinion. |
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So far, for the Vortec, it looks like Amazon is the cheapest, plus it includes free shipping.
https://smile.amazon.com/GM-Parts-12...words=12530282 It still ships from a GM dealership.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-OEM-NEW-E...xX-7Zl&vxp=mtr
Radley Chevrolet is the seller on Amazon, but they are cheaper on their eBay auction. (By a few bucks only)
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