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10-07-2009, 09:24 PM | #1 |
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Re: '50 5 window.....s10 swap
BlueJeep,
Not sure what the final cab hieght is. I will measure tomorrow and post. I must have measured 30 different ways, 30 different times to get it all lined up. Will probably do things differently on the next build but this one turned out really good.
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10-07-2009, 10:31 PM | #2 |
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Re: '50 5 window.....s10 swap
how does the rear of the cab mount? does it still use the shackles or do you use the S-10 mounts?
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10-08-2009, 10:35 AM | #3 |
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I did the same thing on mine. I ended up 3.5" up from the frame for the front mounts, and then leveled it and did the back mounts. The 3.5" on mine included the Jeep CJ poly bushings I used. I ended up tacking it all together, and then pulling the cab off and checking/adjusting from there. I'm happy with how mine turned out, just need time to finish it now.
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10-11-2009, 05:12 PM | #4 |
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If I were you I would reinforce that channel where you cut out with something. Maybe weld in a piece of channel flat side down in. Even just piece of 1/4" plate. Just something to think about.
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10-11-2009, 08:44 PM | #5 |
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I agree, the only thing supporting the rear of the cab is the floorboard, seems like in time with bumps from the road it will bend and the rear of the cab will start to sag.
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10-12-2009, 07:37 AM | #6 |
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They do not look bad without spacers... And depending on how low you are there is more clearance for the tires..
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rhodog...I think you're going to want to brace it up somehow. I do think that you cut out what would ordinarily support the weight of the rear pillars, the back wall, the seat and all occupants, and probably half the weight of the doors. You could get creative and put the new brace on the top side of the floor back where the gas tank used to sit. I think a piece of 1x2 tube the whole width of the cab stitched in would work well.
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That's a good idea. No one will see it and you won't lose the height you want.
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rhodog77, Man your killing it. It looks great, and you will be on the road in no time. Hey do you mind explaining how you mounted the motor and tranny for us not so advanced builders? Thanks. I have read that you have to set the motor back off the cross member and to use a aftermarket trans brace. I looked at your photobucket account and checked out all the extra pics (love that idea and keep the pics coming, I may have to steal that idea) and noticed that you are using the orginal trans brace just moved back some, and the stock mounting position for the motor. Thanks for your help, knowledge and willingness to share. Guys like you make this task feel achievable for a novice like me!
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10-25-2009, 09:32 PM | #10 |
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50gmc,
Thanks for the encouragment, I appreciate the vote of confidence, sometimes it really keeps the build moving forward. This is my first frame off "custom", so Im a rookie at this, like so many of us on this forum. Thanks again for those who have subscribed and given advice/tips!!! First, gettting the motor in wasn't as nearly bad as I thought it would be. Here some advice though. DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT buy any s10 v8 motor swap kit. I bought a kit from s10v8.com, and it was awesome. Great engineering, finish and detail. The kit is designed to mount a SB in an s10, and it did very nicely. However, it only works if your running an s10 body, DUUUUUHHHH!!! I never put 2 and 2 together. It moves the SB motor forward three inches to fit in the s10 engine bay. As many of you know, in th AD trucks, the motor needs to be back 3 inches. So, with that said, make you own engine mounts and save the $100.00. The pix of the engine pads on my photobucket account were the ones from the kit, bolted in the stock locations. Let me say again, they will not work in the AD trucks. jeffs51chevy, once again, has helped out a bunch by sending me some pix of his engine mount design. Its the way to go if you ask me. Pretty simple, remove the s10 stock motor mounts and weld or bolt 1/4 steel plate directly on the crossmember where the old mounts were. You can then either weld new engine pads ($7.99 at autozone) to the plate or drill some slotted holes for more adjustment sake and bolt them in, simple preference. I ended up set the motor back about 2 3/4 inches. Watch your clearance of the motor/accessories to the engine crossmember, especially your fuel pump if your running the 350. I depressed my crossmember in about a 1/2 for a little extra room. As for the trans member. Im not sure why everyone is fabbing. A little hacking on the stock one and it will work. I moved mine back about 5 or 6 inches, forget what the exact measurement was. Its about as far back as you can go and still fit ontop of the drivers side frame slot. Hope this helps. brian
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10-26-2009, 09:45 AM | #11 |
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Sweet build. I've got several of these trucks, some are for parts. I've got a 53 Chevy that was bought new by my great grandpa. I thought about doing the S-10 frame swap but I may leave it stock. I have seen the plans for the body mounts. I could fab some of those up no problem if anyone needs them. As long as Jeff51 doesn't mind. Pay for material cost and shipping. Maybe it'd help some of the S-10 frame swap guys out. Keep the pics and updates coming.
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Got the cab mounted down today, for the 5th and hopefully last time. I got about 2 1/2 inches of clearance from the distributor cap to the firewall. The clearance came out exactly how I wanted. The motor lined up dead center. Got the steering column and linkage hooked back up. Hope to get the fuel lines, brake pedal and master cylinder and gas pedal done tomorrow. Took one quick pix today with the cell phone.
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10-27-2009, 12:05 AM | #13 |
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i am loving it this build has been my inspiration, despite the man trying to hold a brotha (me) down with zoning violations and registration problems. i keep on truckin hoping to follow the path you have so graciously laid out before us.
dam the man save the empire...
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Thanks for the kind words. Its been a ton of fun and a huge learning experience. Got a little work done this weekend. Now that the Cab and motor is mounted, the list of "little" projects gets longer and longer. Got the brake booster and the brake pedal hung. The Booster looks off center but it straight. The filler cap wasn't pushed on all the way. Trying to get the brake lines, fuel lines and steering column buttoned up by this weekend. I found a really nice complete front clip for sale, at a really good price. Hope it works out and I can pick it up this weekend. Got to find a 58" driveshaft as well from the junkyard.
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The project is coming along nicely. Keep up the good work.
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Any updates?
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Not much to update. Im on the search for a new cab/truck. Mine is alot rougher than I thought. I think Im going to buy a complete truck. I only have 400 in the sheetmetal so far, hood, fenders and dash are good so I should get a couple of bucks back from that. Anyway, Not much to do right now, too cold to do anything. I am working on getting the motor fired up and running. I will post to youtube and on the build thread ASAP.
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how bad is the cab?pics thanks jim
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its shot!! the corners are obviously gone, not a huge deal to fix but the main problem is the front floor and pillar supports, they were rotted thru. I thought about replacing them, and still might, but its a ton or work. You can see pix on my photobucket link. Just some advice to those out there who care to listen. Im a body guy, anything can be fixed with enough time and money. However. when doing the s10 swap having good front channel cab mounts and pillar supports are critical. They really need to be solid to get the rest of the front sheetmetal to sit good. You have to have something solid to mount the cab to.
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dont look that bad to me.i will pm you thanks
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How's the cab hunt coming? I know the feeling. We ended up buying one from TX to replace the set up cab on my son's '54. It was like a whole new world opened up. We could chase threads on captured nuts rather than looking at air!
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Dan,
I think I found the one I want. Im made an offer to the owner, he is mulling it over. I hate to start over with a different cab but I know the project will be so much easier and turn out a lot nicer.
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If you look at my build album: http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z...Chevy%20Truck/
You'll see we started with a rough cab (no floor and hit in the DS cowl). We got the frame set, motor set, bed set, and a ton mocked up before we found it. We actually had planned to just fix it and have a box of sheet metal to do just that. The price was right so off it came. It really didn't hurt us and only took a long Saturday to change. We probably would have gotten more done but my son had to go somewhere for school that night (or FFA or 4H or something) so he HAD to go take a shower... |
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Dan,
Love the photobucket pages. Pix are awesome. Im really in the same boat. I used my cab to get everything mocked up the way I wanted it. I kinda knew that I would be one the hunt for a better cab a while ago. I have found a few prospects but have snagged on yet. Its way to cold to wrench right now so Im in no rush.
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well, just wanted to update. Went to the junkyard last weekend and found a driveshaft. I found one the exact size that I needed for $40. Bought and installed new joints for $15. $55 total is alot better than the $200 I was going to pay to have someone build me one. Plus, a very good learning experience, and some fun. I sanded it down, got it painted and installed it today.
Still have to clean up the rear end but wanted to get the driveshaft installed to see how everything fit together. Im very happy how it worked out, especially the price!! Just for some info, here is video shot on how to remove the nylon retaining pins in stock GM u joints. Pretty cool design but a huge pain in the butt to get out........unless you heat them, then its a snap.
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