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11-19-2012, 03:39 AM | #1 | |
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This is the truth. Just popping in HID bulbs in non-HID housings is improper and irresponsible! You WILL cause glare and unsafe conditions for others! Not to rain on a sales parade, but it is like any mod, do it right. |
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Here'a a better explanation of why drop in's cause glare. This is the mechanics of lighting and aiming and everyone agrees on this stuff. In a Halogen housing the shape of the reflector and the design of the fresnel lens work together to aim the light into a cut-off pattern on low beams. Everything about the beam pattern hinges around where the filament is located. The edge of the glowing filament creates the cut-off pattern when aimed out the reflector and lens. When you change the light source size and placement you also change how the light is aimed because the reflector/lens combo hasn't been redesigned to work with the new light source. The aim is determined by the placement and size of the filament, and the glowing filament's edge is the center point by which the aim is designed into the housing. HID's use a completely different way to control the beam pattern. The "shielding" shown in the pic is a flap that drops out of the way to make a full high beam pattern. When it's up it creates the low beam cut-off. A solenoid controls the position of the flap. The aim/shape of the low beam cut-off is not determined by the size or placement of the light source- the edge of the flap blocks off a section of the reflector's light. When you understand these two diagrams it becomes obvious that it's impossible to change the size and placement of light source in a housing without changing the aim and increasing glare. HID's have a huge light source compared to the small filament in a halogen bulb. Drop in's also lose the high/low beam feature because there is only one filament and no flap/solenoid to control the light beam. Quote:
Proper aim is that the beam pattern drops 3-4 inches every 25 feet. This allows for a low beam beam pattern that shines far enough out for city driving in traffic but doesn't cause excessive glare when topping a hill or driving in areas with differences in elevation where oncoming traffic is lower than the opposite lane. No matter how bright your lights are, they need to be aimed slightly down. The brighter the lights are, the more they need a sharp cut-off on low beams.
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08-20-2012, 09:15 PM | #5 |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
The above post has a lot of good information in it, but also has some misguided info in it. To say that HID's shouldn't be used in any reflector based application is a bit off, and simply not realistic. And I agree 100% with the statement that projectors are the best set up for HID's, and the do a much better job of projecting and focusing the HID's beam pattern, while drastically reducing glare. BUT glare exists in halogen lighting as well, not just HID's. With that being said, HID's are still a great upgrade even in reflector or refractors based housings if you do a little homework before upgrading.
And contrary to popular belief, there are OEM applications where HID's where used in a reflector based housing designed for HID's. I've personally been blinded at night by oncoming drivers with HALOGEN headlights, from headlight alignment that is terribly off. I've been running HID's personally for years, and not ONE time have I been flashed by oncoming traffic at night for my headlights producing to much glare. Again, it all comes down to knowing the facts on how to do something, and taking the appropriate actions. HID's emit light much further out then a regular (or even upgraded) halogen or incandescent light will. Seeing ANY extra distance at night, can save your vehicle or even someones life. With your increased down road vision you WILL be able to see potential dangers sooner then you could with a light source that did not emit light as far out as say an HID. There could be a deer in a ditch, a person walking along the road, a car stranded along the road with no lights on, etc etc etc and you WILL be able to see that potential danger sooner, therefore giving you a longer time to react accordingly which could potentially save your vehicle from getting into an accident or potentially even save a life. Do HID's emit more glare then Halogens in a reflector based housing? Absolutely. If the light housing is chosen and is utilized along with proper alignment after the installation of HID's, is the glare unacceptable? Absolutely NOT. With all the above being said, I will be the first to tell you that a Projector retrofit is the superior set up for HID's period. The HID's will perform better in a projector then in a reflector based housing. I am personally in the process of retrofitting a set of Morimoto Mini H1 Bi-Xenon projectors into my truck. Retrofitting projectors is a tedious process and takes some skill. I will not say that HID's should not be installed into a reflector based housing. If the headlight is aimed within reason, and features a "glare cap" (Which greatly reduces glare regardless of the light source type) then HID's will be give you a great upgrade in light output, as well as giving you a reduced amperage draw on your vehicle. There are always a few bad apples out there (as there is in every group) that will run a 15000K 55W HID in a headlight housing without a glare shield and have improper headlight alignment blinding everyone on the road, don't let the few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us with the knowledge and courtesy to have a superior and safe set up. We do not sell any HID's, or Halogens for that matter. Or Headlight housing assemblies either, we manufacture and sell high quality Heavy Duty Headlight Harness's. So it's not like we are trying to persuade people to buy HID's. I put together this article to help people get a better understanding of a great option for a step up in light output. HID's are a great option for people wanting more out of there headlights. Thank you for your input on the topic, but please don't try to tell people that they are not informed or being impolite to oncoming drivers if they run HID's without utilizing a projector based housing. Thank you for taking the time to read this, Baron with VH Coachworks |
08-20-2012, 09:29 PM | #6 | |
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My eyes are extremely sensitive to light. If I can face my own vehicle head-on and have it behind me without bothering me, then I know that most other drivers aren't being bothered either. Some of the most annoying glare I encounter from HIDs comes from the current generation Escalades. There's something about those things. I've encountered plenty of other vehicles with drop-in HIDs that didn't bother me at all, yet there are plenty of those idiots out there who don't give a care. You can't just make a blanket statement saying it can't be done without bad glare and does nothing to improve the lighting. Are drop-in HIDs in halogen reflector housings optimal? No. Never will be. Can it be done safely in a way that doesn't cause problems for other drivers? Absolutely. |
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08-21-2012, 07:44 PM | #7 | |
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Baron, nice post. I can say first hand that the people that don't even try to set up or spec their HID conversion kits should be followed closely at night so they can get the feeling I get. My 95 F-350 basically has 2 candles on the front compared to 85% of the headlights on the road today. It'll get something soon, just haven't decided what yet.
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08-21-2012, 07:42 PM | #9 | |
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And as for your F-350, You should be able to run a similar H4 HID kit as you purchased for your Chevy! IIRC I believe that ford used a 9004 (H4 type set up, dual beam bi-xenon) in that body style! |
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10-11-2012, 07:32 AM | #10 |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I put a "sticky" on this thread and removed the bump posts. It should stay at the top now.
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11-19-2012, 09:34 AM | #11 |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
I have run and ran HID’s in everyone of my vehicles. Even my wife’s, mothers and brothers. In fact xmas comes around a HID kit is one of my favorite things to give. Who doesn’t appreciate brighter headlights at night.
With that being said, I have never had any problems from Johnny Law in the last 12 years or so. My first kit was like 650 dollars back when HIDs were “new” to the market. Now 85 bucks can get you into almost the same kit. I have ran all temps (colors) and the cool factor is awesome with really purple lights, but visibility is almost null and void. Long story short, HIDs are awesome. But as posted above, adjust your lights—even if you don’t have HIDs, do us all a favor and adjust your lights.. |
11-19-2012, 07:43 PM | #12 | |
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12-06-2012, 02:14 PM | #13 |
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Ive been trying to find a set tri bar housings that I like to use with HID's. What do you think of these? http://www.rodtiques.com/catalog.php...bar_Headlights
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I dont mean to cause any flack but ive been researching this for quite some time. I want hid's in my 68 really bad. http://forums.evolutionm.net/04-06-r...-housings.html This post makes the most since to me. Read it and tell me what you think.
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Here's a good source for complete HID retrofit kits. They sell Bi-Xenon kits so you retain your low/high beam function. http://www.theretrofitsource.com/index.php?cPath=24 Edit- they have a Bi-Xenon projector retrofit kit that works well in our 7" headlights. You'll need clear lens H4 housings to install the projectors. Looks like a very clean, simple, and effective conversion. I'm going to look into this for my '66 C10. $295 for the projectors, bulbs, 35 watt ballast, projector shrouds, relay harness, and shipping is included. http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...roducts_id=237
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12-29-2013, 03:02 AM | #16 |
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Re: HOW TO: Install HID Lighting & HID lighting explained
One minor nitpick here - there are actually some legal HID reflector setups (early HID-equipped Lincolns, for example). This is what the D2R bulb was meant for.
That said, it's still a reflector designed explicitly for the D2R bulb, and it's not the same as a halogen reflector setup. It's also impractical to retrofit so your only option would be hoping that someone custom-builds a HID reflector housing for your application... and that probably won't ever happen since it's easier to just find a way to stick HID projectors into housings.
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Ive been meaning to post this for a while but this is what I plan on doing. Kinda like what is above ^ but with tri bars, I think it completes the "look". http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums...d.php?t=149042
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I just bought these off eRape. Seemed like a good price for everything.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7X7-H6024-PR...51dcd5&vxp=mtr |
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How do you like the setup ?? I'm looking at kits and found your post and had to ask.This looks like a pretty strait forward kit.....your thoughts ?
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For under $270 you can get a manufactured projector unit. Plug and play, 5 year warranty, HID ready.
Remember guys, a decent projector alone (without the 7" housing) costs at least $100-150. Kits that are <$100 with housings and HID kits are typically poor quality and can be dangerous on the road. |
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Wow. Thx for the link
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No problem. We are actually looking for some folks to test out some kits for promo pictures. Mainly our Black kits in 7" and 7x6". Let me know if anyone is interested! You get a $100 discount in exchange for a short write up and some nice high quality photos. We've had a few customer's photos show up on some pretty big websites and advertisements for some of our larger dealers.
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Those are awesome!
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I would probably do it but I think my truck is a little too ugly for yalls promo pictures. lol
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