Build #2 Crusader!

[85crewcab]

That's funny, I have almost the same crew cab and have picked out the same wheels!
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[mcbassin]

Originally Posted by mrhino

they are Ridler wheels I hadnt heard of them till the swap meet the other day. but got a real good deal and aside from them being glossy in the center and a larger polished lip they look pretty much the same. oh and they should fit with out modify the rotor. I should buy a few more sets before the rest find out about them and jump the price like the boss.

I'm very interested in these wheels. I like the look and prices look pretty reasonable too. No mods to the rotor might just be the best selling point.

[DirtyLarry]

Looks like a great project Mike. Looking forward to watching this built take place. I get out to the Elkhart area several times a year and these old trucks are pretty rare out in the salt belt. The nice thing about the Elkhart area is the access to a lot of new take off parts that the RV and conversion companies prune off perfectly good vehicles. I stopped by a few of those take off peddlers over the years and found a bunch of nice stuff (bucket seats, steering wheels, wheels, etc). Just too costly to ship most of it to the west.

I’d love to come see your projects some time. I work for a motorized stripped chassis suppler to the RV and stepvan industry and get to your area way too many times a year. Usually stay at the Hilton Garden Inn off 19 at the toll road. It seems the people at Texas Roadhouse across the bridge from the hotel in your town recognize me more than my own neighbors here at home do. I’m well connected with the crew at Naquin’s if you need a contact for GM parts.

I had to laugh when I read the part about the steering column as I just picked up an ’89 Suburban that needed the same work. All 4 bolts in the tilt mechanism were backed out and actually tore up the upper bowl. Such a common issue on those old Saginaw steering columns.

The Silver Dollar turned out great! Can’t wait to see what you do with the crew cab. Momma will be proud to cruise that around.

[mrhino]

Originally Posted by DirtyLarry

Looks like a great project Mike. Looking forward to watching this built take place. I get out to the Elkhart area several times a year and these old trucks are pretty rare out in the salt belt. The nice thing about the Elkhart area is the access to a lot of new take off parts that the RV and conversion companies prune off perfectly good vehicles. I stopped by a few of those take off peddlers over the years and found a bunch of nice stuff (bucket seats, steering wheels, wheels, etc). Just too costly to ship most of it to the west.

I’d love to come see your projects some time. I work for a motorized stripped chassis suppler to the RV and stepvan industry and get to your area way too many times a year. Usually stay at the Hilton Garden Inn off 19 at the toll road. It seems the people at Texas Roadhouse across the bridge from the hotel in your town recognize me more than my own neighbors here at home do. I’m well connected with the crew at Naquin’s if you need a contact for GM parts.

I had to laugh when I read the part about the steering column as I just picked up an ’89 Suburban that needed the same work. All 4 bolts in the tilt mechanism were backed out and actually tore up the upper bowl. Such a common issue on those old Saginaw steering columns.

The Silver Dollar turned out great! Can’t wait to see what you do with the crew cab. Momma will be proud to cruise that around.

It does sounds like you've been here before. I also work for a RV supplier, in fact Im the delivery driver, so I get to go into a lot of manufactures and see a lot of different stuff being built. even get a lot of new ideas. let me know the next time your coming to town and maybe we can get together.

[mrhino]

So deb sends me a link to a craigslist add for a 71 shortbed that looks pretty decent and says we should go look at it. Does she not know Im a little busy! she also know I have a weakness for those old 67-72's like some people and lost dogs I feel the need to rescue and save everyone I come across. So i called the guy and im going to take a look today. If I get this thing Im gonna have to abandon my little 86 c/10 shortbed project. Ill let you guys know how it comes out.


oh and by the way yousesteers cutting the floor is certainly easier said than done. I stared at it last night for about three hours tiring to figure the best way, how much and where to cut it. so it would fold right back down on itself. Im sure there is a mathematical equation for this, but I dont think I'm smart enough to figure it out. so im just going to cut it by eye and hope for the best.

[yousesteers]

I kinda eye balled it and decided where to cut then ran a level around it and cut it out with the sawzall. I cot it all pushed down then took some self tapping screws and screwed the floor boards together then took a hammer and persauded them to fit together. After I had the fit like I wanted I ground the paint off and welded it all back in you are right it is easier said than done I wish I had taken pictures to help you guys out but I never think of it until I am done. I just made sure they were level when I got done. I am no body man some guys on here would cringe if they had seen what I did and how I done it but I am more of a practical guy and on the floor board no one is going to see them after the floor mats are put back in.

[mrhino]

Originally Posted by mrhino

So deb sends me a link to a craigslist add for a 71 shortbed that looks pretty decent and says we should go look at it. Does she not know Im a little busy! she also know I have a weakness for those old 67-72's like some people and lost dogs I feel the need to rescue and save everyone I come across. So i called the guy and im going to take a look today. If I get this thing Im gonna have to abandon my little 86 c/10 shortbed project. Ill let you guys know how it comes out

I looked at the 71, man was it bad. The guy tells me it was 1 of 26 trucks that were in a estate sale and this was one of the few that didnt sell. that in itself should have raised a red flag for me. Anyway this thing was bad, not a usable piece on it. He wanted a grand for it. Even the chassis had tons of rust holes in it. The whole roof was rotted out, and if that wasn't bad enough it was full of old nasty spray foam. Can somebody tell me what is the purpose of the spray foam? what are people trying to accomplish by doing that? Oh well, I didnt need another project at the moment any who.

We got back on the truck today, me and the youngster tore apart both sides of the front end. Im going to change ball joints, tie-rods, brake hoses, shocks, springs, and etc. I was going to change control arm bushing too but they feel pretty good the PO must have had everything greased regularly. like your suppose too.

[mrhino]

I wish I could say i got a lot done on the crew over this holiday break but I didnt. me and the boy took the front end apart, and now he is in the Bahamas. So I guess he is will be missing out on all the fun of putting it back together. (sucker). After everything got cleaned up. I put in new upper and lower ball joints, coil springs, shocks, idler arm Pittman arm, plus new steering box.





I want this truck to get the best mileage it can possibly get for a big 1 ton. So the plan was to use amsoil fluids everywhere, and that includes wheel bearing grease. The grease seams a little thicker and denser than other grease iv used in the past. in fact it was the exact opposite of how I thought it would be. Heres a pic of me hand packing them pushing grease though the bearing until it starts to squezze out the other side, and then sealing them up in the rotor with a new seal. I have used Amsoil products in the past (although not any grease) with very good results.






The brake pads were almost wore out so I put on some new pads, the brake hoses were cracked and split so on went new hoses turned the rotor and since all the braking was going to be new, including the M/C. I opted for some new front calipers too.



when I was all done with the front end. I put on the trucks new shoes. WOW! what a attitude adjustment. Deb seams very pleased with the look as well.

[mcbassin]

Nice progres Mike! It's amazing how that series of pictures makes rebuilding a front suspension like a snap. I know how much time and work goes into it. I think your son is pretty smart to bail on the hard part

[mrhino]

Originally Posted by mcbassin

Nice progres Mike! It's amazing how that series of pictures makes rebuilding a front suspension like a snap. I know how much time and work goes into it. I think your son is pretty smart to bail on the hard part

I agree with all said.

[mrhino]

I got my engine block back from the machinest the other day. He hot tanked it, bored it .30 over and polished my crank. I went to throw it up on the stand, and there is that broken bell housing bolt I forgot to deal with months ago when I tore the engine down. I tried drilling it but Im sure it was a hardened bolt and I couldn't even get a small hole in it.
When I was at the swap meet a few moths back I bought a Harris cutting torch and regulators new in the box and have been tring ever since to find some decent used tanks at a good price. well no can do! So I bit the bullet and bought some new tanks and a cart. from the local welding supplier.
When I was in high school shop class about 20 years ago my shop teacher showed me how to burn out broken bleeder screws in calipers. I must have been pretty good at it because I can remember doing quite a few of them. most of the dumb @ss kids in class would break em off when we would rebuild calipers. Anyway I figured it should work the same on this. So I fired up my new torch and had at it. I had that broken bolt out and on the floor in a pile of molten metal. I tapped the hole and had it on the stand in a matter of minutes. That was almost worth the price of the torch and tanks. Almost



with the block on the stand, I painted it cast iron gray and oiled it up so it can sit in the corner of the garage until I get the rear disc conversion and the seats done. I also got my $20 swap meet piston hung on the rods.






some of you will notice: that is a pretty big dish. and you would be right 21.5 cc

[Car'n'Guitars]

Cool truck, am I going to see this truck around town?

[mcbassin]

The motor looks good. I like the torch tip too. I have had my share of broken bolts too. Thanks for sharing.

[mrhino]

Originally Posted by Car'n'Guitars

Cool truck, am I going to see this truck around town?

more than likely. this one Im doing for my wife and with my wife.

Originally Posted by mcbassin

The motor looks good. I like the torch tip too. I have had my share of broken bolts too. Thanks for sharing.

Fortunately I dont break to many. It takes less time to remove one slowly than it is to break one off real quick.

[Car'n'Guitars]

This what the shortbed looks like that the guy has.

[mrhino]

Got back on installing the front seats. after tring to precisely measure where to cut the floor to drop the hump a few inches. i gave up and just winged it. laid a piece of 1.5 tape around where it looked right with the eyeball and just cut that piece out. then folded it down making the floor flat who- hoo. thew the seat up in there and it is at the perfect ride height. unfortunately now there is a 1" in gap around the hole that i have to fill. next time I think ill only take out about 3/4 of a inch or so.









Now I dont know whether to try and make the piece work or just get a whole new piece of sheet metal and weld that in. I think I would have to mount some kinda bracing underneath new metal to give it some strength. what do you guys think? any sugestions

[Car'n'Guitars]

Nice work on the truck so far.

[mrhino]

Originally Posted by Car'n'Guitars

This what the shortbed looks like that the guy has.

I dig! here is a pick of my 86 shortbed right now and what I want it to look like when its done. hopefully sooner than later.



been playing around with the wheels, I have already bought the gray ones, just not sure If I like them more or less than the black ones.

[Car'n'Guitars]

Black goes good with it, but the gray also makes a very good contrast that more likely turn heads if thats what youre trying to get.

[yousesteers]

It looks like you cut the piece completly out I left mine and then persuaded it with a hammer to all come back together. It looks good

[Dieselwrencher]

Great progress Mr.Hino! That crew is pretty dang clean for an old work truck that had a lift gate in it. On your floor, I think it might be easier to use the piece you removed and trim it and place it back in there. Try to tack it and beat it around to fit the gap and hopefully fill in the voided area. Yes, I do think einforcing it would help when done. Maybe with a brace under the seat bolts or something. Keep at it, you're making great progress!

[txlowtrucks]

Cut the top section completely off. Take a section out of the remaining floor to get the drop you need. Split the top section down the middle and lay it on top with the corners and sides lined up and tack the top section back on. You will have to add a small strip down the middle of the top section and one across the back. You can add some thicker plate strips under the floor to make it stiffer and more support for the bolts. Mike

[mrhino]

Originally Posted by Car'n'Guitars

Black goes good with it, but the gray also makes a very good contrast that more likely turn heads if thats what youre trying to get.

That seams to be the same opinion I have. cant decide which one I like better. I looked for that bed today, I found it. looks pretty clean, as clean as a bed could look from 50 yards away, anyway. I'll stop in some time and see what he wants for it. thanks for the tip!

Originally Posted by yousesteers

It looks like you cut the piece completly out I left mine and then persuaded it with a hammer to all come back together. It looks good

Yea I did, and I cut too much out. should have only taken about half that.

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Great progress Mr.Hino! That crew is pretty dang clean for an old work truck that had a lift gate in it. On your floor, I think it might be easier to use the piece you removed and trim it and place it back in there. Try to tack it and beat it around to fit the gap and hopefully fill in the voided area. Yes, I do think einforcing it would help when done. Maybe with a brace under the seat bolts or something. Keep at it, you're making great progress!

Thanks! it is a pretty clean truck for a work truck, Im not sure if it was a old road crew truck or what but there was dried tar looking stuff all over the inside. On the seats, the floor, even on the ceiling. I Think I will be using the old section I removed. Ill prolly ad two braces where the seat will bolt up.

Originally Posted by txlowtrucks

Cut the top section completely off. Take a section out of the remaining floor to get the drop you need. Split the top section down the middle and lay it on top with the corners and sides lined up and tack the top section back on. You will have to add a small strip down the middle of the top section and one across the back. You can add some thicker plate strips under the floor to make it stiffer and more support for the bolts. Mike

See, this is why I love this forum. Something so simple and It never even crossed my mind. thank you! That's what I do for the driver side. hopefully I wont make the same mistake on the pass. side.

[Car'n'Guitars]

Originally Posted by mrhino

That seams to be the same opinion I have. cant decide which one I like better. I looked for that bed today, I found it. looks pretty clean, as clean as a bed could look from 50 yards away, anyway. I'll stop in some time and see what he wants for it. thanks for the tip!



Yea I did, and I cut too much out. should have only taken about half that.



Thanks! it is a pretty clean truck for a work truck, Im not sure if it was a old road crew truck or what but there was dried tar looking stuff all over the inside. On the seats, the floor, even on the ceiling. I Think I will be using the old section I removed. Ill prolly ad two braces where the seat will bolt up.



See, this is why I love this forum. Something so simple and It never even crossed my mind. thank you! That's what I do for the driver side. hopefully I wont make the same mistake on the pass. side.

Yeah no problem man, have you seen the crew cab truck by walter piano it's white and blue. It's great looking and looks to have no rust, I wouldn't mind owning that truck. It think its a 85-86 truck.

[mrhino]

now that the boy is back from his trip. he wanted to help out in the garage again. So I started him off in taking apart the rear brakes, diff cover, remove old shocks and install some new ones, all the dirty stuff. he wears the grease like a badge of honor.




Deb even come out for a few minutes to pound on some studs




I took the old seals out and checked the bearings. Had one inner bearing was starting to turn for the worse. So I figured it would be in my best interests just to change them all. Here is some photos of rebuilding the hub, and installing the rear discs brackets, and calipers.

pop the seal out, watch your toes, the inner bearing just falls out of your foot.



turn it upside down and with a brass drift knock out the race.



then drive the front bearing and race out together from the front.



then clean Hub



with new bearing and seal everything goes back together in reverse.



drop in inner bearing, then pound in the race (upside down from the normal way) pound it far enough down that you can get the snap ring in. then pound in the inner race, drop in the bearing and then finish off with a new seal.



cleaned the rotor, and installed it on to the hubs by pounding in all the studs



cleaned the axle spindle and dressed it with some emery cloth



I degreased the new brake brackets, then painted and bolted them on with the supplied Grd 8 bolts. the brackets came from Great lakes Offroad





thew the hub and rotor on next and tightened up the lock nuts. slide in the cleaned axle and threaded in the bolts.



Next was the caliper and pads everything fell right into place. I still have to hook up the rear brake hoses but that should be to hard. I will thread them on to the existing steel line that was there from the drum brake setup and secure them with some sorta bracket.




all in all it is a very easy conversion. the majority of the time spent was in the cleaning process. I was going to weigh everything that I took off and compare the weight to the disc set up. Im sure its at least 50 lbs. I betcha I have about the same amount of money into it as it would cost just to replace both drums. not including wheel cylinder, hardware kits or shoes.

I left the diff open for now because I cant decide on weather to change rear gears from 4:10's to 3:73's The main reason I would change is to get Highway cruising rpm a little lower to save fuel, but i'm afraid the in town (stop light to stop light) fuel consumption would suffer,from trying to get this huge b!tch moving. towing might suffer as well. any thoughts on that would be appropriated.