**do not buy blueprint engines***

[tbone67]

Again, I'm not saying Blueprint doesn't make quality engines or don't use new parts. No doubt they make great motors and have been around for a long time. In my situation, they used scrap iron for heads. They should have used quality equipment. Now unfortunately I got screwed on this deal.

[special-K]

Originally Posted by siggyfreud

Did you buy direct (if that's possible) or get it through a reseller? Perhaps the reseller bamboozled you?

Originally Posted by 68Gold/white

I am wondering same..........

Originally Posted by tbone67

The vendor I purchased the engine stated new heads. It also said computer aligned honing job. There should be signs of the honing job present after 150 miles. Blueprint disagree with me. I’ve spoken with multiple mechanics and said there should be definite visible signs of the crosshatching. Blueprint said they don’t use new heads on this setup

Originally Posted by Ol Blue K20

I've always had good luck using a couple of local machine shops. They have been around a long time and that is a god sign of quality.

Yeah, there are small reputable machine shops out there all over this country that have been around way longer than Blueprint. In my world they are something new that came along with the internet. And with the internet there can be a temptation to say one thing and do another, then just deny responsibility from afar. How do you drop the engine off for them to inspect for their flaw? Just sit on the phone or at the keyboard and deny is much easier for them. Heck, many online businesses don't even have where they are located shown on their website. You have to dig just to know what state authorities to contact

Originally Posted by tbone67

Again, I'm not saying Blueprint doesn't make quality engines or don't use new parts. No doubt they make great motors and have been around for a long time. In my situation, they used scrap iron for heads. They should have used quality equipment. Now unfortunately I got screwed on this deal.

Then I'll say it and your story is proof. And even if this is all on the vendor you dealt with, saying the heads would be new, that right there is the problem. IMO the manufacturer is responsible for what the vendors they chose to deal with do. Chose? It's not like they get screened in any way except credit check. All about the money and getting huge through as many vendors as possible. Where is the quality control in that? There is more to quality control than the labor part. This case proves it. One says this, the other says that. The only thing you know for sure is they both got your money

Obviously Blueprint didn't magnaflux the heads (or whoever built the engine). Used heads are fine. Like I said, I'm not a mechanic or engine builder, but I know either you use new heads or you magnaflux the used or you are pissing into the wind

[67ranchhand]

Just a thought, are you sure this is the engine you purchased? Was the vendor a reputable company? From the pictures, this engine has a lot of carbon build up, dark colored oil stained pistons, and a ring around the top of the cylinder bore. I have built engines, ran the crap out of them in a demolition derby, tore them apart, and have looked better than this. Just saying, it may or may not be a blueprint engine. Check every option possible.

[jimijam00]

Originally Posted by tbone67

Now unfortunately I got screwed on this deal.

Did you follow the below instructions completely and accurately?

"BluePrint Engines will, at its sole discretion, repair or replace defective parts or a complete engine. All repairs will be made at the seller’s or distributor’s cost, plus applicable labor pursuant to the labor policy set forth below. PRIOR AUTHORIZATION IS REQUIRED FROM BLUEPRINT ENGINES BEFORE WARRANTY WORK IS BEGUN. It is the sole responsibility of the purchaser to pay for such work (including labor and parts) and to submit the alleged defective parts, written order showing all charges and a written receipt for payment of all charges to BluePrint Engines for review and determination by BluePrint Engines that the failure is or is not covered by this Limited Warranty. Contact BluePrint Engines at info@blueprintengines.com or 1-800-483-4263 for a numbered authorization. Repairs or replacements do not extend this Limited Warranty."

[Steeveedee]

Here in California the Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) oversees what shops do. If you screw up, your case gets published in their newsletter. One time a guy came in with a 442 with leaking transmission lines. The shop that rebuilt the engine positioned the lines wrong and one chafed through on the upper a-arm. I fixed that, no big deal. It also ran really rough, so I pulled a plug to look, and it was obviously old. Put a set of new plugs in it, and it ran great. The shop had charged him for new spark plugs. When the case was was settled, he got ALL his money back because of the one fraudulent charge.

Call the California BAR and complain.

tl;dr version- if they advertised parts as new and they weren't, it is at least fraud.

[WorkinLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Steeveedee

Here in California the Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) oversees what shops do. If you screw up, your case gets published in their newsletter. One time a guy came in with a 442 with leaking transmission lines. The shop that rebuilt the engine positioned the lines wrong and one chafed through on the upper a-arm. I fixed that, no big deal. It also ran really rough, so I pulled a plug to look, and it was obviously old. Put a set of new plugs in it, and it ran great. The shop had charged him for new spark plugs. When the case was was settled, he got ALL his money back because of the one fraudulent charge.

Call the California BAR and complain.

tl;dr version- if they advertised parts as new and they weren't, it is at least fraud.

Tbone67, This ^^^ is your best answer. Calif. B.A.R. can and will shut down a shop that does fraudulent work and all of the shops know this. Call them, but it might be too late . Hopefully you documented every communication with them.

https://www.bar.ca.gov/

Once I had a shop repair a leaking front seal on a Buick 3.8 and it still leaked after the fix and the shop refused to refund my cash payment. I told the owner; "I'll be right back. I'm going to call my man at the B.A.R. and see what he says about this." I walked to a phone booth (remember those?) and then returned and the guy threw my money at my feet and said "You no come back here NO MORE!" I sure didn't. But the point is, forget BBB, the BAR actually has teeth, like a shark and they get results.

[jimijam00]

Originally Posted by WorkinLonghorn

forget BBB, the BAR actually has teeth, like a shark and they get results.

So are you saying the purchase of a crate engine over the internet and shipped to someone that installs it himself is covered by Cali's Auto Repair Act? It would have to be right? After all, that's where BAR gets those teeth from.

[Sheepdip]

My buddy installed a Blue Print SBF Stroker in a 68 Mustang last year and at last report it runs like a missile with zero hiccup's. But that's just his experience.

[kwmech]

Years ago when I worked at the local GM dealer we were getting remans from a company called Cherokee Motors. They were absolute garbage. I installed a 350 longblock in a pickup that lasted about a month. Engine came with sheet metal on it. All I had to do was install the intake and accessories. When we sent it back they denied the claim saying the oil screen was full of rag pieces. WTF? all I did was bolt an intake on. We never bought from them again.

[special-K]

Seasoned is another word for used, right? What do they know of the history of any block they use? They know nothing until they inspect it for defects. It's not like they have anything to do with the "seasoning" process to lay claim to it. I'm so tired of the smoke & mirrors business model over the do the right thing business model. It's whatever you can get away with these days, and when it comes to warranty? Same thing. Even the word reputable is being misused these days. When did that start meaning BIG?

[71gmcC15]

When buying somthing asume the warranty will not cover it. Even if it states that it will they will come up with an exsue not to. Kinda like bumper to bumper warranty. I had a friend that had a dodge and it had bumper to bumper warranty. When the cluch and injecters whent out they would not cover it it becouse it was a ( warrible part.) The hole pickup is a warrible part. When it coght fire he had to fight tooth and nail to get them to fix it.

[jimijam00]

Originally Posted by 71gmcC15

When it coght fire

Because, Dodge.

[hitower]

Uh oh, I just dropped in a Blueprint 38315CTC1 with the Aluminum heads last week.....
Keep us posted please....

[AussieinNC]

Originally Posted by tbone67

I bought a Blueprint 383 crate motor for my 1972 Blazer and it hydro locked after 150 miles over a 4 month period. They told me right away that because I installed it myself, they wouldn't cover labor. Ok, either way I had a Chevrolet dealership do the repair work because I didn't know exactly what I was in for. They started taking apart the motor and discovered that the intake manifold bolts were loose (motor came with the intake) and the heads were old pieces of junk. Major signs of electrolysis and multiple pins installed from crack repairs. This is a high 405 hp engine and you shouldn't be using junk heads waiting to fail. Blueprint kept insisting I overheated the motor and that's why the heads warped. This motor never overheated!!! The junk heads were the cause of this whole thing. The enormous amount of electrolysis on the head and the loose intake manifold bolts with heat and pressure from normal use caused the intake gasket to leak and let coolant flow. This was driven for 150 miles over a 4 month period. Ridiculous!! Keep in mind I bought this motor because it comes with "NEW CAST IRON VORTEC HEADS"!!!!!!!! Buyer beware…it doesn't! Also the cross hatching is gone in the cylinders and they are shining. How can that be gone in 150 miles. I question if it was ever even honed as they say. I'm surprised this thing held together during the so-called dyno run. Blueprint gave me the whole rundown on how they air check everything and torque everything, maybe it held together from them but fell apart for me. I bought this motor because I wanted a reputable company to stand behind their product with a warranty. I didn't want to have some local shop or shade-tree mechanic build one and then have he said/she said issues if a problem would arise. The joke is on me! I understand they can't pay out every warranty claim that comes through the door but I am getting the shaft here. Absolutely depressing and now I am out $2k for labor repairs (not including the tow bill). The Chevrolet dealership agrees with me and also is disappointed with Blueprint not standing behind their product. I watch all these automotive shows with Blueprint sponsorship and advertisements, I was excited and proud to buy my Blueprint motor...not anymore.

1/ Check the invoice has the engine number listed on it...then check engine number matches invoice listed number...if it does not have an engine number on the invoice, how do you know its even a BluePrint engine?

2/ I assume you paid around $4800 for the Blueprint engine?

Do you realize that GM has a brand new 383 engine for $5149 thru Scoggin Dickey?
https://sdparts.com/i-19928346-chevr...ine-323hp.html

[jeffahart]

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

Do you realize that GM has a brand new 383 engine for $5149 thru Scoggin Dickey?
https://sdparts.com/i-19928346-chevr...ine-323hp.html

That engine is on my short list. stated "at least 400 lb.ft between 2,500 and 4,000 RPM" I like that for my sm465 with 4.56 gears. I cruise around 3000 rpm with my stock 350.
The Chevy performance site used to have the horsepower and torque graphs on their website for all their crate engines. But I can't find them on there anymore.


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[Mudflat]

328hp for a 383 and 5,000+, no thanks.

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

1/ Check the invoice has the engine number listed on it...then check engine number matches invoice listed number...if it does not have an engine number on the invoice, how do you know its even a BluePrint engine?

2/ I assume you paid around $4800 for the Blueprint engine?

Do you realize that GM has a brand new 383 engine for $5149 thru Scoggin Dickey?
https://sdparts.com/i-19928346-chevr...ine-323hp.html

[AussieinNC]

Originally Posted by Mudflat

328hp for a 383 and 5,000+, no thanks.

The engine from Scoggins is BRAND NEW...400 ft lb of torque in a brand new, fully warranted GM engine...the HP rating is very conservative its the torque that gets the work done....right where you need it between 2500 and 4000 rpm.


Not some hacked up piece of crap with doubtful parts, ASSembled by people that are paid by the unit assembled not by the quality of the result.

This whole post just seems suspect...and we are yet to see the names of the installation vendor or the invoice from the engine builder....get the installation vendor to supply the invoice from their supplier....if they cant, contact an attorney immediately, as you seem to have a good case.

[Grumpy old man]

DING DING DING ^ "This whole thread seems suspect " Why hide the vendors name ? Why No pictures of the truck/engine ? Been a member for a year + and the only posts are in this thread ? Why not just pull it out and drop it back off where you got it rather than have a Chevy dealer dive into it ? As far as writing any type of review or contacting the BBB that's just a joke nobody pays any attention to either of them . Does anyone buy anything based on some review ?

[jimijam00]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

As far as writing any type of review or contacting the BBB that's just a joke nobody pays any attention to either of them.

The OP sure didn't.

[mgkgmc]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

DING DING DING ^ "This whole thread seems suspect " Why hide the vendors name ? Why No pictures of the truck/engine ? Been a member for a year + and the only posts are in this thread ? Why not just pull it out and drop it back off where you got it rather than have a Chevy dealer dive into it ? As far as writing any type of review or contacting the BBB that's just a joke nobody pays any attention to either of them . Does anyone buy anything based on some review ?

Obviously Blue Print DOES read them on the BBB and cares about their reviews and seems to have integrity in their business and actually I know plenty of people who go off reviews either word of mouth, BBB or on the forums I don't know about you.

[special-K]

Originally Posted by kacy

Then why arent you blasting the vendor like you are blueprint? Maybe the vendor thought they could pass off some other companies engine as a BPE and no one would know.

post the link to the vendor and engine you bought that specifically says its a BPE.

Those have been my thoughts on this. The vendor misled you, by your own admission.

Originally Posted by Mudflat

328hp for a 383 and 5,000+, no thanks.

These are trucks, son, it's about the torque and that's what a stroker motor is all about. That's a "better 328hp" than a 350 makes. And when did 328hp become something to sneeze at. That NEW ALL GM three hundred and twenty eight actual horsepower is fresh and ready for you to put a whole heap of seasoning on. And if you want more HP it's in there. A quick came swap before installing can add a lot for the cost of a camshaft. This is a fully warranted engine by, I'd say, a fairly reputable enterprise that has a warranty in mind when building engines... and a reputaion.

Originally Posted by AussieinNC

The engine from Scoggins is BRAND NEW...400 ft lb of torque in a brand new, fully warranted GM engine...the HP rating is very conservative its the torque that gets the work done....right where you need it between 2500 and 4000 rpm.


Not some hacked up piece of crap with doubtful parts, ASSembled by people that are paid by the unit assembled not by the quality of the result.

This whole post just seems suspect...and we are yet to see the names of the installation vendor or the invoice from the engine builder....get the installation vendor to supply the invoice from their supplier....if they cant, contact an attorney immediately, as you seem to have a good case.

Yeah, like that ^^^

I hope the recent absence of the OP is due to him being out there making some calls to come back with more accurate information

[Ol Blue K20]

Nice! the name of the thread should be changed now. It's always nice when they stand behind their work. Sometimes an oops slips out the door

[Grumpy old man]

Sure looks like a free advertisement to me .

[jeffahart]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

Sure looks like a free advertisement to me .

That title is not an advertisement, it started as a review/rant. Blueprint stepped up. I still look for and want value on price per pony. Looks like it initiated a call to action on their QA end. If they make it right then what more can you ask. It's what the warranty is for. OP thanks Blueprint, he is happy and that's what makes the automotive hobby fun, being happy. Happy Grumpy, happy.


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[Steeveedee]

Wow, great of BPE to step up like that!