Crewcab build

[jonzcustomshop]

On # 2 I pushed the front doors rear window post angle back, to match the angle of the front window post of the rear door.

[PrerunnerRob]

Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop

On # 2 I pushed the front doors rear window post angle back, to match the angle of the front window post of the rear door.

I'm really liking this, I'm going to go look tomorrow to see if I can eliminate the filler piece entirely with re-angling and where I'll have to place the door. I don't see the reason for the filler if both the front and rear door angles match...

On that note, If I preserve the angle of the rear door's front edge, I can retain my vent windows. I'd love to do one piece glass but the window shape will not allow it as far as I can see.

It's kind of funny, I'm seeing more time making this section and the doors work right then I was going to have into my existing truck total!

[pugs]

maybe an idea, possiblly you could use the door hinges from a 67-71 for the rear door

[PrerunnerRob]

Originally Posted by pugs

maybe an idea, possiblly you could use the door hinges from a 67-71 for the rear door

Is there some advantage to using these?

[greg64]

Originally Posted by PrerunnerRob

It's kind of funny, I'm seeing more time making this section and the doors work right then I was going to have into my existing truck total!

Rob, I've got to say good on you for doing this project. When I look at these sorts of major changes, I think "oh lord, the amount of work....".

[PrerunnerRob]

Originally Posted by greg64

Rob, I've got to say good on you for doing this project. When I look at these sorts of major changes, I think "oh lord, the amount of work....".

Thanks! I'm worried, but not scared!

[joe231]

Hey jonz, can you, with your chopping skills, match the angle of the rear part of the front door to the rear part of the rear door, so both doors match?

[kris's66lwb]

Originally Posted by joe231

Hey jonz, can you, with your chopping skills, match the angle of the rear part of the front door to the rear part of the rear door, so both doors match?

both raer angels are the same in the original cuz there both front doors just with the part that gose under the windsheild cut off

[Rokcrln]

Yep pic #2 is what I was trying to get at on page one I like what you are thinking with your layed out door you are drawing on BUT, keep in mind were your top edge of the door is in relation to the door hinge pivot. Any part of the door that is in front of that pivot point will swing inward when the door is opened and if this part of the door happens to be the top of the window post (pic #1) the door will bind up and not open. This is the reason for the filler pieces in most crew cabs. Also I have looked at the door hinges on a 65 (not sure if they are the same or not) that I was working on for a co-worker and I think they will work for a rear door if the jamb and door are set up right. On the 68 crew cab that I built I just used the stock burb rear door hinges and reworked the jambs and it turned out great.

Kevin
LFD Inc.

[PrerunnerRob]

Originally Posted by Rokcrln

Yep pic #2 is what I was trying to get at on page one I like what you are thinking with your layed out door you are drawing on BUT, keep in mind were your top edge of the door is in relation to the door hinge pivot. Any part of the door that is in front of that pivot point will swing inward when the door is opened and if this part of the door happens to be the top of the window post (pic #1) the door will bind up and not open. This is the reason for the filler pieces in most crew cabs. Also I have looked at the door hinges on a 65 (not sure if they are the same or not) that I was working on for a co-worker and I think they will work for a rear door if the jamb and door are set up right. On the 68 crew cab that I built I just used the stock burb rear door hinges and reworked the jambs and it turned out great.

Kevin
LFD Inc.

You hit the nail right on the head, I have been trying to make this work for the past few days, and that is the exact problem I run into. You have to mainain the door on or behind the pivot point, or it dives in when opened. I'm still going to try to see if I can pull it off without a filler, but I'm going to be making some cardboard doors tomorrow, and change the pivot point to see what the minimum filler is I will need. I could always suicide the rears, but I am just not happy with the operation and install method of the hinges I have seen.

[joe231]

Originally Posted by kris's66lwb

both raer angels are the same in the original cuz there both front doors just with the part that gose under the windsheild cut off

You took what I said out of context, I was referring to jonzcustomshop's second photo chopped pic, not the original

[jonzcustomshop]

I think you could virtually eliminate the filler panel in between both the front and rear doors, maybe cut the rear door an inch shorter(judging by how it looks in the factory photo) that will move the rear doors front post closer to the front door.
Then check out some other 4 doors, the 73-81 truck has about a 1 inch filler panel in it, a 55-6-7 chevy 4 door sedan has about a 3/4 inch filler in it..I think that the filler might be there in those to work with the different angles when opening and closing the doors..?
If you are able to, look some other 4 doors as well maybe the hinges from a 59- 60 passenger car, or a lincoln continental(could handle the weight)might work.
Also check out my post (# 16) in the 2008 world of wheels thread, I posted an idea about how to put a one piece window in this type of door...It might work.

If I ever find/get/make a crew cab, I would fix the post in between the doors, alot of work, but it looks better in the end.

[ChiefRocka]

Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop

I think you could virtually eliminate the filler panel in between both the front and rear doors, maybe cut the rear door an inch shorter(judging by how it looks in the factory photo) that will move the rear doors front post closer to the front door.
Then check out some other 4 doors, the 73-81 truck has about a 1 inch filler panel in it, a 55-6-7 chevy 4 door sedan has about a 3/4 inch filler in it..I think that the filler might be there in those to work with the different angles when opening and closing the doors..?
If you are able to, look some other 4 doors as well maybe the hinges from a 59- 60 passenger car, or a lincoln continental(could handle the weight)might work.
Also check out my post (# 16) in the 2008 world of wheels thread, I posted an idea about how to put a one piece window in this type of door...It might work.

If I ever find/get/make a crew cab, I would fix the post in between the doors, alot of work, but it looks better in the end.

If you need to look at some hinges...your welcome to look at the wifes '57 Wagon.....

Looking good man....

[jonzcustomshop]

here is for joe 231
this one, all the door pillars match the windshield pillar.

[PrerunnerRob]

I like the 4 door angle, where they all match, it looks sharp!
I just got back from my shop, I did some layout of what it would take to roughly make the door work. I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get 2 more doors to cut up first, that way I can make my mistakes on them if I need to. Thanks for all the help guys, you are making this much more enjoyable!
So I figure if I get the front door angle set, I'm going to re-angle the back doors too, that way everything is neat and clean.

[hewlett2002000]

what ever you do, please dont cut up a pair of good doors unless your sure. use rusty ones for your test. i had a pair i would have gave you but i junked them, they had ALOT of rust. good luck and it looks GREAT so far. keep us posted.
John

[PrerunnerRob]

Originally Posted by hewlett2002000

what ever you do, please dont cut up a pair of good doors unless your sure. use rusty ones for your test. i had a pair i would have gave you but i junked them, they had ALOT of rust. good luck and it looks GREAT so far. keep us posted.
John

Thanks! I always feel bad about wasting something I can't replace, I think I might have found a pair of rustys I can work with locally.

[joe231]

Originally Posted by PrerunnerRob

Thanks! I always feel bad about wasting something I can't replace, I think I might have found a pair of rustys I can work with locally.

as they say, every act of creation is an act of destruction.
look at it as a sacrifice for the greater good of a sweet project

[joe231]

Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop

here is for joe 231
this one, all the door pillars match the windshield pillar.

I bow to your chopping talent, we're not worthy

that is sooo sweet!! looks the best IMHO, thanks

[PBFAB.COM]

Originally Posted by jonzcustomshop

here is for joe 231
this one, all the door pillars match the windshield pillar.

It would look good with the back top edge of the front door and the top front edge of the back door corners squared... and then radius the top rear edge of the back door to match the front.

I think it would be easier to make the door mods by using two sets of doors, that way the window channels and top edge radii will all be perfect.

[PrerunnerRob]

Originally Posted by porterbuilt

It would look good with the back top edge of the front door and the top front edge of the back door corners squared... and then radius the top rear edge of the back door to match the front.

I think it would be easier to make the door mods by using two sets of doors, that way the window channels and top edge radii will all be perfect.

radii...nice!
Do you mean 4 doors total or 4 pairs of doors....I'm kind of confused at this point.

Hmmm, the 2 squared, 2 rounded would look slick!

[PBFAB.COM]

Originally Posted by PrerunnerRob

radii...nice!
Do you mean 4 doors total or 4 pairs of doors....I'm kind of confused at this point.

Hmmm, the 2 squared, 2 rounded would look slick!

Probably get by with using a total of six doors. The four good ones you will end up with, and then pieces of the other two to splice in the sections of the window channels, door edges, and post sections where you're stretching and adding material.

[poorboy]

I have a pass door that has a bunch of cancer that you can have to experiment with. I am also selling 2 drivers doors and 1 pass door if you need more material.

[Tim64]

Hey John,
You got any pics of your wifes wagon? Sounds cool I'd love to see it.
Tim

[ChiefRocka]

Originally Posted by Tim64

Hey John,
You got any pics of your wifes wagon? Sounds cool I'd love to see it.
Tim

After all this talk about the pie section...if you look at the black one...the section between the doors does look like s#it !!!

TIM, I thought I had one, but I don't I'll snap a pic and post it.