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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
I've also heard of t-bird racks being used.
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
Here is the website with the truck build..
http://okcminis.com/showthread.php?t=8849 |
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
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"Mustang fox body " So it's not a MII but a '80's to early '90's Mustang rack. That makes a little more sense, since the later Mustangs are wider than MII setups.
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
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Have to check on that...
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
I seem to have two threads going on this topic, but anyway, I measured a 2006 GMC 2wd 4.3L rack, and it is 59" spindle to spindle, and the rack housing is about 21".
They are about $300 new, and $250 rebuilt. Hard to get a photo, but you can see how the rack bolts to the crossmember in front of the engine. I may be able to lay in a piece of angle iron to my 67 and bolt the rack to the vertical, and have the lower horizontal protect the bottom of the rack tube when I am running too low. That rack is used on vans, tahoes, surbs, pickups, and maybe impalas from 02 up on the small engines. Look how short the 4.3 is in the engine bay!
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
at 1st with that rear mount you'd think its a rear steer rack...untill you see where the ends come out.
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
No offense taken. I enjoy good discussion, thats why I joined this site, and thats why I post my hairbrained ideas on this board first before I spend time and money.
Don't know the answer to whether it is the correct rack for a 67. The 06 width is 59", and the 67 is 56". Seems like 3" could be made up in tie rod ends and couplers pretty easy. As for geometry, my plan was to try and place the rack as close as possible to the Flaming River rack, make sure it worked for all control arm and spindle angles, and try it out. That's why I posted here, to try and find someone who had purchased the Flaming River kit, but no one has. Just trying to find a less expensive alternative to a complete subframe swap, and do it safely. I think there is a need for a bolt in R&P that doesn't require notching the frame and doesn't cost $3K. The nice thing about DIY is that you don't have to have all three of the "Better, Cheaper, Faster" conditions. You can try different things on your own time, and just settle for "Better and Cheaper". I really appreciate your posts Scotti.
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
I too am looking to add a r&p and feel about the same on the available crossmembers. There's a whole slew of "static" drop guys that don't care about laying frame. The dropmember would work great for these guys if it wasn't engineered to have the rack several inches up into the frame. I'd buy one if there was one made for us static drop guys where everything bolted in w/o cutting/welding. I've got a welder...so thats not the issue. I'm trying to shed front end weight...and simplify the steering system.
As long as the rack is in line where the drag link normally lives and the ends match the total length of the stock system...don't see why it wouldn't work provided the rack is mounted securely. Using with the fox body rack or t-bird. W/O an available solution for these guys...they're apt to do it themselves. I'd buy the new crossmember engineered for it all..... if it was made.
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
Lookin forward to the Porterbuilt version... "coil-over" w/rack and a bit less drop to compliment the Stage II mild drop rear. I think I read that it is hard to make work with a front coil spring.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=396294
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
On that OKC minis example, it's important to note that the frame has been sectioned and "double" Z'd, probably instead of using air bags for a drop. This means the frame is not as much in the way of a rack as it would be for a strictly bagged drop.
Anyone who chooses to follow that example may need to implement the whole plan of attack including the frame mods. Implementing half-a-solution plan is the same as implementing a WHAT-o-lution? ![]()
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
that new dropmember still has the frame notched for the end links to pass thru.
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
[QUOTE=68GMCCustom;4152445]that new dropmember still has the frame notched for the end links to pass thru.
Yeah.... I was just showing that coil-over version is close. "coil-over 3.4" might be mounted two inches lower and still provide great ground clearance, rack and pinion, centering the wheel in the well, Lsx mounts, and tubular control arms with the logo. ![]()
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Re: Rack & Pinion on Stock Crossmember?
well I hope he decides to build it then! I told him this is what I wanted months ago.
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