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busterwivell · 04-05-2005, 07:00 PM

You think that's old? I was drivin' when you were born!

busterwivell · 04-05-2005, 07:01 PM

What's "old school"? Me and Bill72BB, that's REAL old school.

stepside454 · 04-05-2005, 07:10 PM

Frank LOL you even went to an old school LOL

busterwivell · 04-05-2005, 07:12 PM

I'm so old, we didn't have history books in school, just pamplets.

Drogster · 04-06-2005, 03:07 AM

Thanks for the discussion guys. I was always under the impression that TRUE "old school" were the hot-rods the boys did after returning home from WWII (like someone else mentioned).

What it all comes down to is that you make your truck how YOU want it to be, and screw whatever anyone else thinks!

franko72 · 04-06-2005, 06:02 PM

I have been working with a bunch of twenty something lads. They are always teasing about me being an old dude, I always call them green behind the ears.I hope I die before I get old.(The Who)

rgray71 · 04-06-2005, 06:29 PM

Here's my start to an old school ride.71 GMC, 72 Corvette hubcaps, 350/350 turbo, will be painted flat black, flames and good meats on the back. The other is my 85 Monte SS. all stock 63,000 original miles.

rgray71 · 04-06-2005, 06:30 PM

oops the last is an old pic before the cleaning fairy visited.

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 04-06-2005, 06:55 PM

Here's my def. of old school:

factory hubcaps
original rims w/ skinny bias ply tires
original AM radio
home-made pushbumper and headache rack
AND at least 6 different stewart warner gauges

At least that's what my truck has. Except for the tires and I'm not using the original rims, went with radial tires instead.

Touch_Of_Madness · 04-06-2005, 08:46 PM

Old School:

Anything pre 1975 (1980 For Pickups) and the main crux of the smog crap beginning with the Catalytic Converter. Though the PCV-Valve and the EGR valve have always been considered smog related it was the Catalytic Converter that affected both hotrodders and conservatives alike beginning in California.

The PCV-Valve (Positive Crankcase Ventilation Valve) replaced the down-draft-tube. Of course the EGR-Valve was implemented to burn unburned fuel after combustion (or steal horse power). . . Its actually the EGR-Valve (Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve) that robs the majority of the power from a carburated engine and not the Catalytic Converter though they are basically a one two punch.

"Old School" would include anything stock or custom related be it over the parts store counter or a dealership. Since hotrodding started in the 1940s (1945) after World War II old school would relate to anything automotive related and placed between 1945 and 1975. . . Though some do stretch "Old School" as far forward as 1985 when pretty much everything from a dealership (save for pickups) was Computer Controled Fuel Injected.

But thats my two cents.

***

Hmmmmm from 81 to 87 were the carb transition years where they had the computer controled throttle valve on the quadra's. I ferditted that though for the most part FI was used in 95% of the cars (ignoring pickups). There were computer controlled cars as early as 1977 if the computers is the referance but then again it wasnt the computers that ruined hot rodding it was the smog crap. And there again there were test engines as far back as 75 with EFI. . .

Old School and there was a Mule engine at Oldsmobile for a quad valve (4 valves per cyl) as far back as 1968 (455cid). It later mutated into the Quad Four and we see its design in the Olds Aurora and the Caddy Northstar Engines. . .

Eh well never mind.

***

Come to think of it the "Old" way of lowering a car (or for that matter pickup though not many were at that time) was to clamp lead weights to the frame. A person kept clamping on weight till they got the desired ride height.

Which was where we got the term 'lead sled'. . .

busterwivell · 04-06-2005, 10:49 PM

Nah, my 86 Monte Carlo SS is carburated.

rgray71 · 04-07-2005, 09:28 AM

My 85 has a quadrajet on it.

franko72 · 04-07-2005, 05:02 PM

Old school could be the ability to trouble shoot and find the problem easily on these older rides.You dont need a computer or a certified genious to tell you whats wrong.No fuel ?check the carb. for gas. No spark ? place the coil wire about a 1/4 inch from the coil and look for spark.These days you have too many sensors and gadgets to deal with. I'll take the old school any day when it comes to simple repairs.

pritch · 04-07-2005, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdowns

if you can identify or better yet know how to use this you know what old school really is

Dang, too late. I new what that was also.

The Chevy dealer in my town was old school. He locked the doors and walked away the day GM told him he had to have a computer to work on cars. The place is a time capsule, nothing changed since that day-I'm guessing '78 or so.

powell72 · 04-09-2005, 09:56 PM

Drogster, slam your truck and have someone hand paint a speed shop logo on the doors, just don't go to old on the logo though. No five digit telephone numbers.

**special-K** · 04-10-2005, 12:06 PM

I thought Lead-Sleds were called that`cause of the predominant body-mods executed with the use of lead,before Bondo.Learn something every day.By the way,Lead-Sleds are definately"Old-School".I still say,as far as in car terms go,old school was the early years when there was more"Home-Shop-Builts"than "bolt-on" or"store-bought"hot rods & customs,pre-street machine/muscle car era.Somewhere in the early 60s-back.

billogna · 04-10-2005, 12:50 PM

IMO: 50's hot rod look, chop, shave, channel, or fabricate without spending money, use what's available. Don't know who these examples belong to.

jeffnstef · 04-10-2005, 07:15 PM

hotrodtroy · 04-10-2005, 11:31 PM

When you do the work yourself and scavenge the parts off of something else and make it all work, then you might have an old skool hot rod. My .02.

Rod On keep it sano.

longnlow72 · 04-11-2005, 01:32 AM

a school bus pre-1980

04-05-2005, 07:00 PM	#26
busterwivell Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sahuarita, AZ USA Posts: 2,033	You think that's old? I was drivin' when you were born! __________________ Bill - Tucson, AZ 47 Chevrolet 2 dr sedan 56 Chevrolet 210 2 dr sedan 66 Chevrolet Malibu 2 dr 4 speed 71 Chevrolet C30 Longhorn 86 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (Sold) 01 Chevrolet Tahoe IM - BUSTERWIVE@aol.com

04-05-2005, 07:01 PM	#27
busterwivell Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sahuarita, AZ USA Posts: 2,033	What's "old school"? Me and Bill72BB, that's REAL old school. __________________ Bill - Tucson, AZ 47 Chevrolet 2 dr sedan 56 Chevrolet 210 2 dr sedan 66 Chevrolet Malibu 2 dr 4 speed 71 Chevrolet C30 Longhorn 86 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (Sold) 01 Chevrolet Tahoe IM - BUSTERWIVE@aol.com

04-05-2005, 07:10 PM	#28
stepside454 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: st. louis area Posts: 1,551	Frank LOL you even went to an old school LOL __________________ 75 GMC C-15 short/step factory 454, lowered

04-05-2005, 07:12 PM	#29
busterwivell Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sahuarita, AZ USA Posts: 2,033	I'm so old, we didn't have history books in school, just pamplets. __________________ Bill - Tucson, AZ 47 Chevrolet 2 dr sedan 56 Chevrolet 210 2 dr sedan 66 Chevrolet Malibu 2 dr 4 speed 71 Chevrolet C30 Longhorn 86 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (Sold) 01 Chevrolet Tahoe IM - BUSTERWIVE@aol.com

04-06-2005, 03:07 AM	#30
Drogster Stroke it! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Juneau, Alaska Posts: 214	Thanks for the discussion guys. I was always under the impression that TRUE "old school" were the hot-rods the boys did after returning home from WWII (like someone else mentioned). What it all comes down to is that you make your truck how YOU want it to be, and screw whatever anyone else thinks! __________________ Drog Nitrous is for those who don't know how to build.

04-06-2005, 06:02 PM	#31
franko72 Franko72 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 471	I have been working with a bunch of twenty something lads. They are always teasing about me being an old dude, I always call them green behind the ears.I hope I die before I get old.(The Who) __________________ 1972 C20 cheyenne Super 402 BB/400 turbo LWB A/C Tilt, Cruise Control, Saddle tanks, Tach My Home Page Better to burn out than it is to rust

04-06-2005, 06:29 PM	#32
rgray71 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tonganoxie, Ks Posts: 180	Here's my start to an old school ride.71 GMC, 72 Corvette hubcaps, 350/350 turbo, will be painted flat black, flames and good meats on the back. The other is my 85 Monte SS. all stock 63,000 original miles. Attached Images

04-06-2005, 06:30 PM	#33
rgray71 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tonganoxie, Ks Posts: 180	oops the last is an old pic before the cleaning fairy visited.

04-06-2005, 06:55 PM	#34
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Here's my def. of old school: factory hubcaps original rims w/ skinny bias ply tires original AM radio home-made pushbumper and headache rack AND at least 6 different stewart warner gauges At least that's what my truck has. Except for the tires and I'm not using the original rims, went with radial tires instead. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck Last edited by Robert1970C20rstbukt; 04-06-2005 at 06:58 PM.

04-06-2005, 08:46 PM	#35
Touch_Of_Madness FORMER MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 34	Old School: Anything pre 1975 (1980 For Pickups) and the main crux of the smog crap beginning with the Catalytic Converter. Though the PCV-Valve and the EGR valve have always been considered smog related it was the Catalytic Converter that affected both hotrodders and conservatives alike beginning in California. The PCV-Valve (Positive Crankcase Ventilation Valve) replaced the down-draft-tube. Of course the EGR-Valve was implemented to burn unburned fuel after combustion (or steal horse power). . . Its actually the EGR-Valve (Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve) that robs the majority of the power from a carburated engine and not the Catalytic Converter though they are basically a one two punch. "Old School" would include anything stock or custom related be it over the parts store counter or a dealership. Since hotrodding started in the 1940s (1945) after World War II old school would relate to anything automotive related and placed between 1945 and 1975. . . Though some do stretch "Old School" as far forward as 1985 when pretty much everything from a dealership (save for pickups) was Computer Controled Fuel Injected. But thats my two cents. * Hmmmmm from 81 to 87 were the carb transition years where they had the computer controled throttle valve on the quadra's. I ferditted that though for the most part FI was used in 95% of the cars (ignoring pickups). There were computer controlled cars as early as 1977 if the computers is the referance but then again it wasnt the computers that ruined hot rodding it was the smog crap. And there again there were test engines as far back as 75 with EFI. . . Old School and there was a Mule engine at Oldsmobile for a quad valve (4 valves per cyl) as far back as 1968 (455cid). It later mutated into the Quad Four and we see its design in the Olds Aurora and the Caddy Northstar Engines. . . Eh well never mind. * Come to think of it the "Old" way of lowering a car (or for that matter pickup though not many were at that time) was to clamp lead weights to the frame. A person kept clamping on weight till they got the desired ride height. Which was where we got the term 'lead sled'. . . Last edited by Touch_Of_Madness; 04-24-2005 at 06:49 AM.

04-06-2005, 10:49 PM	#36
busterwivell Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sahuarita, AZ USA Posts: 2,033	Nah, my 86 Monte Carlo SS is carburated. __________________ Bill - Tucson, AZ 47 Chevrolet 2 dr sedan 56 Chevrolet 210 2 dr sedan 66 Chevrolet Malibu 2 dr 4 speed 71 Chevrolet C30 Longhorn 86 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (Sold) 01 Chevrolet Tahoe IM - BUSTERWIVE@aol.com

04-07-2005, 09:28 AM	#37
rgray71 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tonganoxie, Ks Posts: 180	My 85 has a quadrajet on it.

04-07-2005, 05:02 PM	#38
franko72 Franko72 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 471	Old school could be the ability to trouble shoot and find the problem easily on these older rides.You dont need a computer or a certified genious to tell you whats wrong.No fuel ?check the carb. for gas. No spark ? place the coil wire about a 1/4 inch from the coil and look for spark.These days you have too many sensors and gadgets to deal with. I'll take the old school any day when it comes to simple repairs. __________________ 1972 C20 cheyenne Super 402 BB/400 turbo LWB A/C Tilt, Cruise Control, Saddle tanks, Tach My Home Page Better to burn out than it is to rust

04-09-2005, 09:56 PM	#40
powell72 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Loveland Co. Posts: 3,098	Drogster, slam your truck and have someone hand paint a speed shop logo on the doors, just don't go to old on the logo though. No five digit telephone numbers. __________________ Chris 74 Custom Deluxe SWB 350/350/3.73’s 99 2wd Silverado RCSB 5.3/4L60/3.90’s http://www.classictrucks.com/feature...short_bed.html

04-10-2005, 12:06 PM	#41
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	I thought Lead-Sleds were called that`cause of the predominant body-mods executed with the use of lead,before Bondo.Learn something every day.By the way,Lead-Sleds are definately"Old-School".I still say,as far as in car terms go,old school was the early years when there was more"Home-Shop-Builts"than "bolt-on" or"store-bought"hot rods & customs,pre-street machine/muscle car era.Somewhere in the early 60s-back. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~



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04-10-2005, 12:50 PM	#42
billogna Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Choctaw, OK Posts: 235	IMO: 50's hot rod look, chop, shave, channel, or fabricate without spending money, use what's available. Don't know who these examples belong to. Attached Images __________________ '69 Chev Cust/10 swb, 350/700R4, 5"/6" '70 Chev C10 swb, 67 front, 454/700r4, 4"/5" '73 Chev stepper, 350/3 spd '84 Chev K20 350/4 spd '91 GMC 1500 Suburban 4x4, 350/700R4

04-10-2005, 07:15 PM	#43
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04-10-2005, 11:31 PM	#44
hotrodtroy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 138	When you do the work yourself and scavenge the parts off of something else and make it all work, then you might have an old skool hot rod. My .02. Rod On keep it sano. __________________ '72 C-10 w/ '68 Large Journal 327cu.in. "It's o.k. to dream about what you want to do, until you start doing what you are meant to do." Line from "The Rookie" Last edited by hotrodtroy; 04-10-2005 at 11:33 PM.

04-11-2005, 01:32 AM	#45
longnlow72 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: SW Washington Posts: 947	a school bus pre-1980 __________________ 72 Chevy lwb, cowl hood, shaved antenna, shaved bedrails, blazer tank, sidemarker fill, 1pc windows, flowmaster 40's, alpine deck, infinity 6x9's, infinity 4"ers, 2 jl audio 10w0's, grant wheel, keyless entry and alarm, more waiting to be done...

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