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Daniel U · 12-25-2006, 05:30 AM

You are literally "in the weeds" low! I like that look man. I personally think if you like it that low, you'll have to bag it. I, myself, will be using the drop springs on my Mudstane II front end.

**Hart_Rod** · 12-25-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel U

I like the plate an vintage frame! Are you going to "rat rod" it or go for the finished look? Sounds like between the suspension and frame work you have a good size budget! It all adss up quick. I'm up to $25k without paint, interior or sound!

Daniel - that makes me not feel so crazy about asking $39K for mine. People don't realize how much you can tie up any these things. Even at that price, I'm probably only making about a nickel an hour for my labor!

SteveHSD, do you have any picture of the front end set up on your old project? A friend of mine is building a chassis from scratch similar to that and any pics we be a big help. Thanks,

Rob

**Hart_Rod** · 12-25-2006, 10:58 AM

Here's a picture of my 48 with Heidt's Mustang II crossmember, stock spindles and 25" tires. I don't know that I would want it much lower, especially if you drive it a lot. The second pictures is my 52, Mustang II crossmember (TCI??) bagged, 2 1/2 dropped spindles -- definitely will not be an every day driver.

Rob

56chevy1300 · 12-25-2006, 03:02 PM

Thanks for the pics...keep em coming!

stevehsd · 12-25-2006, 07:00 PM

No suspension at all right now.
Just the stock frame laying on original axles.
I plan on Must II front
4 link rear , bagged.
I guess this is as low as I can go with a stock bed.
About 4 inches off the ground at the floorboard.

stevehsd · 12-26-2006, 04:16 AM

HartRod
I mistook your suspension question
I Had to cut the frame horns off the 29
Had some split wishbones and attached them
tried some coil over springs but conflicted with headlights
and didn't look right
just chained it up to sell it

**Hart_Rod** · 12-26-2006, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevehsd

HartRod
I mistook your suspension question
I Had to cut the frame horns off the 29
Had some split wishbones and attached them
tried some coil over springs but conflicted with headlights
and didn't look right
just chained it up to sell it
wanted to spring it like tke this one.

Thanks for the photo, do you have any of yours before you sold it?

R

stevehsd · 01-01-2007, 04:36 AM

Daniel U · 01-01-2007, 12:48 PM

That one loooks like some fast/cheap fun!

stevehsd · 02-22-2007, 03:31 AM

got the rear end changed today
chevy 10 bolt

Daniel U · 02-22-2007, 04:27 PM

What are you using for engine/trans?

stevehsd · 04-06-2007, 10:23 PM

Ordered the parts pkg from Zig's
Must II with bags
4 Bar Rear with bags (triangulated)
firewall brake booster
brake lines
Next week it's off to the shop!

stevehsd · 04-06-2007, 10:24 PM

700R4
350 I guess.

Sam59 · 04-07-2007, 01:10 PM

i dig how it sits with no suspension

looking good keep it up!

cajundragger · 04-08-2007, 12:42 AM

how low you going? Im going to the 'board on 20's and its at alot of work....basically too much.

Either way it looks good, ask me questions if you have any, Im pretty sure I'll know them because I paved the road your about to start going down...

stevehsd · 04-10-2007, 08:30 PM

I wanted it to go to the boards but I'm thinking about keeping the bed stock.
So with 15 rally wheels and pumpkin to the bed I'm about 3-4 inches off the boards. I guess I could air out the wheels if I want it any lower, easier than dealing with the bed. I got the parts today, Heidt's crossmember, disks, brake booster but the rear is a straight TCI 4 link rather than the triangulated. What do you guys think? What is the advantage of each? Should I return it?

1-ton of fun · 04-11-2007, 12:25 PM

a triangulated 4-link will bind some in corners, but rubber bushings can give it enough compliance to deal with that. if set up properly you can put the instant center (the imaginary point where the upper and lower links meet when looking from the side of the vehicle) right on the anti-squat/anti-rise line so the rear of the vehicle will remain still when launching and not waste power moving the suspension. a longer SVSA (side-view swing arm, the distance the instant center is from the axle) will result in less pinion angle change and generally better ride/handling characteristics. it will not require a lateral restraint if the converging links are set close to 45 degrees

a four bar has the bars parallel in side view and plan view (view from the top) and will require some sort of lateral restraint like a panhard bar or watts link. (not necessarily a bad thing) there is generally no change in pinion angle if the links are the same length. these tend to squat on launch, but if you angle them up some, you can eliminate some of the squat. i have read that if you mount the right side frame bracket higher than the left that it can help launch characteristics also (dynamic rear tire load equalizing)

1-ton of fun · 04-11-2007, 12:31 PM

here is some reading here to explain some of this further:
http://home.earthlink.net/~whshope/id8.html

i would definitely suggest to build some adjustability in the system so you can dial it in once the truck is running and driving.

stevehsd · 04-13-2007, 04:46 AM

Off to the shop

stevehsd · 04-13-2007, 11:51 PM

Heidt's MustII installed

tiggerstoy · 04-14-2007, 12:43 AM

looks great so far....keep up with the pics pls!

Daniel U · 04-14-2007, 11:43 AM

Good work!

stevehsd · 04-20-2007, 01:32 AM

The rear end is boxed now, awaiting suspension.
I'm reconsidering the lowered height
I've gone this far why not 3 1/2 " more to get the boards on the ground.
I guess I'll deal with the bed height later.
Here's the bad side of the truck that never gets photo'd
It could use another 3 1/2" drop!

stevehsd · 04-22-2007, 12:23 AM

Here's the TCI 4 link installed, I think I'll add a 3 1/2" c notch next.

pgf545 · 04-22-2007, 10:55 PM

Looks great Steve. Keep up the good work. Should be rolling in no time.

Bernie

12-25-2006, 05:30 AM	#26
Daniel U Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central Coast, CA. Posts: 1,202	Re: My '51 Project You are literally "in the weeds" low! I like that look man. I personally think if you like it that low, you'll have to bag it. I, myself, will be using the drop springs on my Mudstane II front end. __________________ Mom's 1954 (TBI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10) 5 Chevrolet window 3/4 ton long bed Pick up build thread ->http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=228674 My 1954 (TPI 5.7/700R4/10 bolt 3:73) Chevrolet 5 window 1/2 ton short bed Pick up build thread->http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...3&goto=newpost 1960 (400/T350/?) Apache 10 short/fleet side-big window 1973 (TPI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10 w DANA 60 front) Chevrolet Cheyenne 4X4 2013 (Vortec 5.3/6-speed 6L90 automatic) Sierra LT CREW CAB Doing my part to warm the globe Last edited by Daniel U; 12-25-2006 at 05:30 AM.

12-25-2006, 10:58 AM	#28
Hart_Rod ************* Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 17,837	Re: My '51 Project Here's a picture of my 48 with Heidt's Mustang II crossmember, stock spindles and 25" tires. I don't know that I would want it much lower, especially if you drive it a lot. The second pictures is my 52, Mustang II crossmember (TCI??) bagged, 2 1/2 dropped spindles -- definitely will not be an every day driver. Rob Attached Images __________________ Rob - https://www.instagram.com/hart_rod_c10 As Iron Sharpens Iron, So One Man Sharpens Another. Proverbs 27:17 FOR SALE: DBW pedal bracket - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=651123 FOR SALE: Hood Brackets http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=679945 1987 Silverado SWB - 34.5K original miles http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=801834 1969 SuperBurb - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=200387 1968 Farm truck - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=358692 1968 SWB - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=551258 1948 Chevy - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=122164&page=3 Last edited by Hart_Rod; 04-10-2007 at 09:21 PM.

12-25-2006, 03:02 PM	#29
56chevy1300 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 522	Re: My '51 Project Thanks for the pics...keep em coming!

12-25-2006, 07:00 PM	#30
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project No suspension at all right now. Just the stock frame laying on original axles. I plan on Must II front 4 link rear , bagged. I guess this is as low as I can go with a stock bed. About 4 inches off the ground at the floorboard. __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

12-26-2006, 04:16 AM	#31
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project HartRod I mistook your suspension question I Had to cut the frame horns off the 29 Had some split wishbones and attached them tried some coil over springs but conflicted with headlights and didn't look right just chained it up to sell it __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH Last edited by stevehsd; 11-07-2009 at 02:28 AM. Reason: photo

01-01-2007, 04:36 AM	#33
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project here's all I have http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...odelaphoto.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela012.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela001.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela002.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela003.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela004.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela005.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela006.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela007.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela008.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela009.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela010.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela011.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela013.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela014.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela015.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela016.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela017.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../modela021.jpg __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

01-01-2007, 12:48 PM	#34
Daniel U Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central Coast, CA. Posts: 1,202	Re: My '51 Project That one loooks like some fast/cheap fun! __________________ Mom's 1954 (TBI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10) 5 Chevrolet window 3/4 ton long bed Pick up build thread ->http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=228674 My 1954 (TPI 5.7/700R4/10 bolt 3:73) Chevrolet 5 window 1/2 ton short bed Pick up build thread->http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...3&goto=newpost 1960 (400/T350/?) Apache 10 short/fleet side-big window 1973 (TPI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10 w DANA 60 front) Chevrolet Cheyenne 4X4 2013 (Vortec 5.3/6-speed 6L90 automatic) Sierra LT CREW CAB Doing my part to warm the globe

02-22-2007, 03:31 AM	#35
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project got the rear end changed today chevy 10 bolt __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

02-22-2007, 04:27 PM	#36
Daniel U Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central Coast, CA. Posts: 1,202	Re: My '51 Project What are you using for engine/trans? __________________ Mom's 1954 (TBI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10) 5 Chevrolet window 3/4 ton long bed Pick up build thread ->http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=228674 My 1954 (TPI 5.7/700R4/10 bolt 3:73) Chevrolet 5 window 1/2 ton short bed Pick up build thread->http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...3&goto=newpost 1960 (400/T350/?) Apache 10 short/fleet side-big window 1973 (TPI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10 w DANA 60 front) Chevrolet Cheyenne 4X4 2013 (Vortec 5.3/6-speed 6L90 automatic) Sierra LT CREW CAB Doing my part to warm the globe

04-06-2007, 10:23 PM	#37
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project Ordered the parts pkg from Zig's Must II with bags 4 Bar Rear with bags (triangulated) firewall brake booster brake lines Next week it's off to the shop! __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-06-2007, 10:24 PM	#38
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project 700R4 350 I guess. __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-07-2007, 01:10 PM	#39
Sam59 Flat Broke Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Moore, Oklahoma Posts: 209	Re: My '51 Project i dig how it sits with no suspension looking good keep it up!

04-08-2007, 12:42 AM	#40
cajundragger Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,008	Re: My '51 Project how low you going? Im going to the 'board on 20's and its at alot of work....basically too much. Either way it looks good, ask me questions if you have any, Im pretty sure I'll know them because I paved the road your about to start going down...

04-10-2007, 08:30 PM	#41
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project I wanted it to go to the boards but I'm thinking about keeping the bed stock. So with 15 rally wheels and pumpkin to the bed I'm about 3-4 inches off the boards. I guess I could air out the wheels if I want it any lower, easier than dealing with the bed. I got the parts today, Heidt's crossmember, disks, brake booster but the rear is a straight TCI 4 link rather than the triangulated. What do you guys think? What is the advantage of each? Should I return it? __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-11-2007, 12:25 PM	#42
1-ton of fun polishing a turd Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: houston, tx Posts: 674	Re: My '51 Project a triangulated 4-link will bind some in corners, but rubber bushings can give it enough compliance to deal with that. if set up properly you can put the instant center (the imaginary point where the upper and lower links meet when looking from the side of the vehicle) right on the anti-squat/anti-rise line so the rear of the vehicle will remain still when launching and not waste power moving the suspension. a longer SVSA (side-view swing arm, the distance the instant center is from the axle) will result in less pinion angle change and generally better ride/handling characteristics. it will not require a lateral restraint if the converging links are set close to 45 degrees a four bar has the bars parallel in side view and plan view (view from the top) and will require some sort of lateral restraint like a panhard bar or watts link. (not necessarily a bad thing) there is generally no change in pinion angle if the links are the same length. these tend to squat on launch, but if you angle them up some, you can eliminate some of the squat. i have read that if you mount the right side frame bracket higher than the left that it can help launch characteristics also (dynamic rear tire load equalizing) __________________ 59 chevy apache 31 4x4 - my project: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=8668512 53 buick special - straight 8 sled - blow through turbo 47 gmc - flatbed hot rod build 99 ford econoline e350 - 4x4 converted family roadtrip/overlanding rig AKA 'Monstervan' AKA 'Daddy-Van' Last edited by 1-ton of fun; 04-11-2007 at 12:29 PM.



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04-11-2007, 12:31 PM	#43
1-ton of fun polishing a turd Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: houston, tx Posts: 674	Re: My '51 Project here is some reading here to explain some of this further: http://home.earthlink.net/~whshope/id8.html i would definitely suggest to build some adjustability in the system so you can dial it in once the truck is running and driving. __________________ 59 chevy apache 31 4x4 - my project: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=8668512 53 buick special - straight 8 sled - blow through turbo 47 gmc - flatbed hot rod build 99 ford econoline e350 - 4x4 converted family roadtrip/overlanding rig AKA 'Monstervan' AKA 'Daddy-Van'

04-13-2007, 04:46 AM	#44
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project Off to the shop Attached Images __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-13-2007, 11:51 PM	#45
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project Heidt's MustII installed __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-14-2007, 12:43 AM	#46
tiggerstoy tiggerstoy Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: camrose Alberta Canada Posts: 416	Re: My '51 Project looks great so far....keep up with the pics pls!

04-14-2007, 11:43 AM	#47
Daniel U Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Central Coast, CA. Posts: 1,202	Re: My '51 Project Good work! __________________ Mom's 1954 (TBI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10) 5 Chevrolet window 3/4 ton long bed Pick up build thread ->http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=228674 My 1954 (TPI 5.7/700R4/10 bolt 3:73) Chevrolet 5 window 1/2 ton short bed Pick up build thread->http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...3&goto=newpost 1960 (400/T350/?) Apache 10 short/fleet side-big window 1973 (TPI 5.7/700R4/14 bolt 4:10 w DANA 60 front) Chevrolet Cheyenne 4X4 2013 (Vortec 5.3/6-speed 6L90 automatic) Sierra LT CREW CAB Doing my part to warm the globe

04-20-2007, 01:32 AM	#48
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project The rear end is boxed now, awaiting suspension. I'm reconsidering the lowered height I've gone this far why not 3 1/2 " more to get the boards on the ground. I guess I'll deal with the bed height later. Here's the bad side of the truck that never gets photo'd It could use another 3 1/2" drop! __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-22-2007, 12:23 AM	#49
stevehsd Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hollister, CA Posts: 162	Re: My '51 Project Here's the TCI 4 link installed, I think I'll add a 3 1/2" c notch next. __________________ 51 3100 build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=stevehsd 77 FLH

04-22-2007, 10:55 PM	#50
pgf545 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Santa Fe,Texas Posts: 933	Re: My '51 Project Looks great Steve. Keep up the good work. Should be rolling in no time. Bernie __________________ 52 Chevy Truck (Dad's) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=206021

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