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bagged74 · 01-03-2007, 10:28 PM

thats going to be a pretty low ride height.

jlaird · 01-03-2007, 10:42 PM

I called slam specialties and asked them what the ride height of the bag I have is. The told me between 5.5 and 7". So I set the ride height up for the bag to be inflated to 6.25" high. Did I do something wrong?

jimmydean · 01-03-2007, 10:51 PM

That's freakin' low! Guess that's why I'll never run a step notch

Looks good though. Get that bad boy rolling.

bagged69c10 · 01-03-2007, 11:58 PM

Your problem is that your doing bag over axle which gets 1:1 lift which sucks ass if you want it to ride good because as you can see its pretty low. Id say your doing it right, its just the nature of the stuff. I guess.

jlaird · 01-04-2007, 12:38 AM

Should I set it up for 7" bag ride height? That would help out a little in getting the 4 link more parallel with the ground...

gringoloco · 01-04-2007, 01:07 AM

I agree with everyone else on the VERY low ride height. You will only be a few inches off the ground with the axle that deep in the notch. It will definitely look cool though...

Maybe build a taller mount on the axle to take up some of the 'slack'. My understanding is that you want a tapered style bag on over-the-axle setups. The Slams are better suited to a lever setup. Have you considered mounting the bags on the upper link and to the outside of the frame?

jlaird · 01-04-2007, 01:24 AM

yea, I too have heard that the sleeve bag is better suited for over the axle. My plan is to use what I have, and if it is not to my liking, I'm going to switch out the slams for a sleeve type bag.

I just went out and did some measuring. If I go with a ride height of 7" with the slam bags and use a 30" tall tire, my frame under the cab will be 6.25" off the ground. This sounds reasonable, doesn't it?

Thanks for all the help fellas!

XXL · 01-04-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AesC10s

Check this one out guys, Its from speedway motors http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/asp...qx/Product.htm

I have one of these units that I played around with, never actually installed on anything, that could use a good home.

1lowdiesel · 01-05-2007, 01:43 PM

looks a little low... but good.

boxrodz · 01-05-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jlaird

guys, heres a pic of the 4 link mocked up. My axle is at ride height which was derived from the slam bag being a little over 6" inflated at ride height. My issue is the angle of the 4-link. I thought it is supposed to be parallel at ride height. Is it ok the way it looks? I can't move the front mount any further up.

I agree with the other's, it's gonna ride real low. I can only imagine what you'll have to do to the front.

To get the four bars closer to level, maybe you can swap the front mounts of each side with each other. This would put the front mount tabs angling downward, allowing you to raise the front mounts a couple of inches higher on the frame rail. Instead of airing up the bags to 7" which may increase the firmness of the ride, maybe you can install spacers between the bags and the brackets to get the bars level at ride height.

BTW, looking good...

jlaird · 01-05-2007, 06:05 PM

I will try flipping the front mounts, but I don't think it is going to make a difference. I'll have to go look.

The only thing that I am concerned about with the spacers is that the spacer is going raise the rear at full dump, correct?

gringoloco · 01-06-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jlaird

The only thing that I am concerned about with the spacers is that the spacer is going raise the rear at full dump, correct?

Yep. This is why I suggested upper link mounting. At say, a 1.5:1 ratio you would get 10.5" of lift out of that same 7" of bag. -Chris

jlaird · 01-11-2007, 03:33 PM

Does anybody have any creative ideas of how to take up the space between the 4link mount and the frame? I basically have to do exactly what is in this pic, but I was trying to think of a more "visually pleasing" way to do it.

PBFAB.COM · 01-11-2007, 04:54 PM

I think a 6.25" ride height (bottom of frame rail to the ground) is plenty of room. I set-up all our stuff to run a 5" ride height. I know you have been discussing the height the bag is designed to ride at, and this is critical to have it function properly. Set the bottom of the frame rail to your desired ride height off the ground and then figure your bag mounts out. I would recommend a tapered sleeve on an over the axle set-up... the ride quality will be much better than a convoluted bag. If you are planning on 'possibly changing over' to the tapered sleeve later and run the convoluted now, keep that in mind when building your mounts.

XXL · 01-11-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jlaird

I was trying to think of a more "visually pleasing" way to do it.

Can I get a side shot of this? I've got an idea to make it more visually appealing, but need to draw it on a side view.

pharcyde05 · 01-11-2007, 05:57 PM

I have done a few trucks and and we always start from the bottom and go up you alredy know that the bag will lift over 7 in so you want to get the truck at the layed out level mount bottom of bag compress bag and then mount top bracket so that bag is compressed when layed out

jlaird · 01-11-2007, 06:02 PM

XXL, heres a bunch of pics. Didnt know which would work the best for ya:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ghlight=4-link

jlaird · 01-11-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by porterbuilt

I think a 6.25" ride height (bottom of frame rail to the ground) is plenty of room. I set-up all our stuff to run a 5" ride height. I know you have been discussing the height the bag is designed to ride at, and this is critical to have it function properly. Set the bottom of the frame rail to your desired ride height off the ground and then figure your bag mounts out. I would recommend a tapered sleeve on an over the axle set-up... the ride quality will be much better than a convoluted bag. If you are planning on 'possibly changing over' to the tapered sleeve later and run the convoluted now, keep that in mind when building your mounts.

Nathan, do you know the ride height of a typical sleeve bag? Is Firestone the sleeve bag of choice? Never seen any others.

pharcyde05 · 01-11-2007, 06:16 PM

the diffrance on that is that vally customs bracket on axel mounts bolth bars lower

jlaird · 01-11-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pharcyde05

the diffrance on that is that vally customs bracket on axel mounts bolth bars lower

OHHH!!!, thats exactly what I need!

jlaird · 01-13-2007, 08:35 PM

XXL, would love to see what you had in mind for that front mount.

Kenneth_CS87 · 01-16-2007, 12:54 AM

what 4 link are u running?

jlaird · 01-16-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_CS87

what 4 link are u running?

Suicide Doors

jlaird · 01-30-2007, 09:00 PM

Got the 4-link mounted and rear bags on. I changed from going over the axle to in front. Next is the panhard bar. Just ordered it today.

[ol'Blue] · 02-01-2007, 04:33 PM

thats f-ing sweet.

01-03-2007, 10:28 PM	#26
bagged74 its just $$$$$ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OK Posts: 2,078	Re: progress pics thats going to be a pretty low ride height.

01-03-2007, 10:42 PM	#27
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics I called slam specialties and asked them what the ride height of the bag I have is. The told me between 5.5 and 7". So I set the ride height up for the bag to be inflated to 6.25" high. Did I do something wrong?

01-03-2007, 10:51 PM	#28
jimmydean Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 3,728	Re: progress pics That's freakin' low! Guess that's why I'll never run a step notch Looks good though. Get that bad boy rolling.

01-03-2007, 11:58 PM	#29
bagged69c10 soon to be bagged64sub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DFW-currently phoenix Posts: 635	Re: progress pics Your problem is that your doing bag over axle which gets 1:1 lift which sucks ass if you want it to ride good because as you can see its pretty low. Id say your doing it right, its just the nature of the stuff. I guess. __________________ 1969 c-10, bagged, Zd, 20" Boyds SOLD! 1964 Suburban COMING SOON Build threadhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=304726 1965 c-10 long bed 1993 Sierra x-cab 1999 tahoe-4/5 on 22s 2005 Chevy work truck

01-04-2007, 12:38 AM	#30
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics Should I set it up for 7" bag ride height? That would help out a little in getting the 4 link more parallel with the ground...

01-04-2007, 01:07 AM	#31
gringoloco A guy with a truck Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany, for now Posts: 5,921	Re: progress pics I agree with everyone else on the VERY low ride height. You will only be a few inches off the ground with the axle that deep in the notch. It will definitely look cool though... Maybe build a taller mount on the axle to take up some of the 'slack'. My understanding is that you want a tapered style bag on over-the-axle setups. The Slams are better suited to a lever setup. Have you considered mounting the bags on the upper link and to the outside of the frame? __________________ -Chris Instagram _elgringoloco_ '70 Short-Wide How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10 ‘70 Blazer ConversionHow To: Ruin a Perfectly Good 4wd '72 Highlander How To: Ruin a Perfectly Good K/5 (SOLD) '72 Blazer 2WD How to: Ruin a perfectly good Blazer (SOLD) '05 Yukon Daily Driven (not so stock) Yukon (SOLD) ‘07 Yukon Denali (daily) Members met list: SCOTI, darkhorse970, 67cheby, 67cheby'sGirl, klmore, porterbuilt, n2billet, Fastrucken, classicchev, Col Clank, GSFMECH, HuggerCST, Spray-Bomb, BACKYARD88, 5150, fine69, fatbass, smbrouss70, 65StreetCruiser, GAc10boy

01-04-2007, 01:24 AM	#32
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics yea, I too have heard that the sleeve bag is better suited for over the axle. My plan is to use what I have, and if it is not to my liking, I'm going to switch out the slams for a sleeve type bag. I just went out and did some measuring. If I go with a ride height of 7" with the slam bags and use a 30" tall tire, my frame under the cab will be 6.25" off the ground. This sounds reasonable, doesn't it? Thanks for all the help fellas! Last edited by jlaird; 01-04-2007 at 01:25 AM.

01-05-2007, 01:43 PM	#34
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01-05-2007, 06:05 PM	#36
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics I will try flipping the front mounts, but I don't think it is going to make a difference. I'll have to go look. The only thing that I am concerned about with the spacers is that the spacer is going raise the rear at full dump, correct?

01-11-2007, 03:33 PM	#38
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics Does anybody have any creative ideas of how to take up the space between the 4link mount and the frame? I basically have to do exactly what is in this pic, but I was trying to think of a more "visually pleasing" way to do it. Attached Images

01-11-2007, 04:54 PM	#39
PBFAB.COM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Mesa,Az Posts: 3,981	Re: progress pics I think a 6.25" ride height (bottom of frame rail to the ground) is plenty of room. I set-up all our stuff to run a 5" ride height. I know you have been discussing the height the bag is designed to ride at, and this is critical to have it function properly. Set the bottom of the frame rail to your desired ride height off the ground and then figure your bag mounts out. I would recommend a tapered sleeve on an over the axle set-up... the ride quality will be much better than a convoluted bag. If you are planning on 'possibly changing over' to the tapered sleeve later and run the convoluted now, keep that in mind when building your mounts. __________________ www.PorterbuiltFabrication.com Phone: 480-297-2621 E-mail: sales@pbfab.com Find us on FaceBook under Porterbuilt Fabrication Specializing in Chassis and Suspension Components for your Classic Chevrolet Truck. We offer components from the following manufacturers: Porterbuilt Accuair Ridetech (Air Ride Technologies) Air Lift Wilwood Intro Unisteer ECE Gotta Show Air Lift Borgeson CPP Supporting this forum since 2003!

01-11-2007, 05:57 PM	#41
pharcyde05 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: modesto CA Posts: 239	Re: progress pics I have done a few trucks and and we always start from the bottom and go up you alredy know that the bag will lift over 7 in so you want to get the truck at the layed out level mount bottom of bag compress bag and then mount top bracket so that bag is compressed when layed out __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2461088

01-11-2007, 06:02 PM	#42
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics XXL, heres a bunch of pics. Didnt know which would work the best for ya: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ghlight=4-link

01-11-2007, 06:16 PM	#44
pharcyde05 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: modesto CA Posts: 239	Re: progress pics the diffrance on that is that vally customs bracket on axel mounts bolth bars lower __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2461088

01-13-2007, 08:35 PM	#46
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics XXL, would love to see what you had in mind for that front mount.



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01-16-2007, 12:54 AM	#47
Kenneth_CS87 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Stockton Posts: 114	Re: progress pics what 4 link are u running?

01-30-2007, 09:00 PM	#49
jlaird Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: johnstown, NY Posts: 2,393	Re: progress pics Got the 4-link mounted and rear bags on. I changed from going over the axle to in front. Next is the panhard bar. Just ordered it today. Attached Images

02-01-2007, 04:33 PM	#50
[ol'Blue] Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: West Texas Posts: 158	Re: progress pics thats f-ing sweet.

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