help pricing this truck

[D13]

Check me on this guys, but in this vintage a crew cab would be a 1 ton or at least a heavy 3/4. Now I'm looking at the 5 bolt wheels and low profile tires and thinking someone has made a Suburban with a box on the end. I question if the frame was shortened, it looks more like a half ton frame was stretched (5 bolt hubs?). So now we have a truck with seating for 6 and load capacity for none. i can't imagine trailering a 5th wheel or anything bigger than a pop-up. The rims and tires alone limit the load capacity (and quite frankly I'd be scared to drive it down my Michigan roads with those tires - too low).
10K for a really cool car (which it is) seems about right. It's worth is not in the truck, it's in the neat factor.

[Pyrotechnic]

Originally Posted by D13

Check me on this guys, but in this vintage a crew cab would be a 1 ton or at least a heavy 3/4. Now I'm looking at the 5 bolt wheels and low profile tires and thinking someone has made a Suburban with a box on the end. I question if the frame was shortened, it looks more like a half ton frame was stretched (5 bolt hubs?). So now we have a truck with seating for 6 and load capacity for none. i can't imagine trailering a 5th wheel or anything bigger than a pop-up. The rims and tires alone limit the load capacity (and quite frankly I'd be scared to drive it down my Michigan roads with those tires - too low).
10K for a really cool car (which it is) seems about right. It's worth is not in the truck, it's in the neat factor.

"Heavy Half" or "Big 10" suspension will bolt right up. This is 5 lug axles with 3/4 springs that was offered on 1/2 tons. This works because the the 3/4 ton rear springs are the same length as 1 ton springs and will bolt right in with no mods. Of course I have no idea how they did it, but this is the most simple method I can think of.

[bigblock73]

People need to keep in mind, not everyone uses a truck as a "truck" nowadays. It simply boils down to personal preference and what the owners wants. But to defend the whole conversion thing...that truck, if set up properly and with the work being done right on it, can do lots of "truck" duty...perhaps not as much as a bone stock 3/4 ton 2wd...but then again, I doubt it was built to do that anyhow.

[kevinr1970]

Originally Posted by rotgg

yes its a short bed and has 1/2 ton suspension

I think the front suspension, as far as five lug goes, is as simple as a spindle and brake swap. Since your already doing spindles to lower it that is a no brainer.
I believe the rear is just an axle swap unless you are starting with a 1-ton. Then its a little more involved due to differences in the springs. I think...

As far as "a truck with seating for 6 and load capacity for none", how many 1/2 ton Suburbans have you ever seen with the third seat giving it 9 passenger capacity - towing a boat or trailer?
I have owned a Suburban and if I could find one with a bed it would be the ultimate. The closest thing is a crew cab with a short bed. But GM didn't make that truck.

I was looking at buying a low mile 89-91 2wd Suburban a few years ago but couldn't get past the horrible turning radius. I could only imagine how much worse a crew cab even with a short bed would be.
My previous Suburban was a 4x4 and it turned pretty good, relatively speaking. I think I could live with the turning radius of a crew cab short bed 4x4. And if I were to try to create something like this I would go for a 1/2 ton as I just don't need the payload or pulling capacity of anything larger. I would just like the interior room.

[GMC69]

For what I use a truck for, this one would fit my needs perfectly. Can still tow a small trailer, like I built ( fully enclosed), and still has a box, let alone room for passengers.

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by Roper

Actually the dollar isnt par. The Canaian dollar is actually worth a pinch more than the American dollar right now. This does effect you in OK because about 2 gallons of every seven gallons of gasoline you buy comes from Canada. Even more so with your electricity, not only what you buy direct from us but even your local power plants are for a large part using Canadian natural gas for fuel.
We are your largest trading partner up here as far as I know we are something like 20% of your economy. My impression with US/Japan trade is that they dump cars and electronics on you and wont even buy your beef.
Your actually way more dependant on us for energy than the middle east(OPEC). You just dont hear about us because we dont hate you.

thank you for clearing that up --- now can i go back to sleep? just kidding -- i just want to go moose and bear hunting there sometime

if i can get a cheap license for that- i will sing Oh Canada at the White house!

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by bigblock73

People need to keep in mind, not everyone uses a truck as a "truck" nowadays. It simply boils down to personal preference and what the owners wants. But to defend the whole conversion thing...that truck, if set up properly and with the work being done right on it, can do lots of "truck" duty...perhaps not as much as a bone stock 3/4 ton 2wd...but then again, I doubt it was built to do that anyhow.

True -- but that truck would still bring more coin as a 1-ton - with or without that paint scheme -- at least the body is relatively unmolested

[bigblock73]

Originally Posted by streetstar

True -- but that truck would still bring more coin as a 1-ton - with or without that paint scheme -- at least the body is relatively unmolested

Not to me. Only ppl that need a 1 ton are people who still use a truck as a truck. I don't haul horses, don't work as a contractor, and don't get to pull a race car anywhere. I will stick with a truck that suits me...not one that suits someone else...after all, it is my truck. Besides...1 tons ride like crap.

[kevinr1970]

Originally Posted by streetstar

True -- but that truck would still bring more coin as a 1-ton - with or without that paint scheme -- at least the body is relatively unmolested

Do you mean a short-bed 1-ton?
With the amount of work required to make it a short bed, all the work to lower it as low as it is and then all the paint and interior, I wouldn't think it would make a difference one way or another for how much a person could get for it. Seems like it is at "max" value either way.
You might have a larger market to sell to, but not necessarily a greater selling price.

Originally Posted by bigblock73

...1 tons ride like crap.

Exactly!

[bigblock73]

A 1 ton 2wd would not bring a significant amount of money anyhow. Those who want 1 tons usually want the 4wd...and if we are now comparing a 4wd 1 ton to a custom 1/2 ton...we are comparing apples to oranges and this discussion can end cause it is going nowhere.

People modify their vehicles to suit what they want, whether we are talking crew cab short beds or 69 Camaros turned into race cars...it boils down to personal preference. There are buyers out there for just about everything...Just look at all the Pintos and Pacers that were sold!

[rotgg]

if this truck was a stock 1 ton it would be worth more lol

[Roper]

Originally Posted by streetstar

thank you for clearing that up --- now can i go back to sleep? just kidding -- i just want to go moose and bear hunting there sometime

if i can get a cheap license for that- i will sing Oh Canada at the White house!

Haha I just had to speak up because Canada just goes ignored all the time. Sometimes I think most of the world doesnt even know we are here.

[Roper]

Originally Posted by rotgg

if this truck was a stock 1 ton it would be worth more lol

It would be to me. But as far as the value of the truck goes I tend to think how much would it cost to build a truck like that because its not like you can just go out and buy one.

[Greenlee]

Wow, I looked at the pics and was thinking at least 15k. I probably have 8k in my truck and it doesn't look that good.

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by bigblock73

A 1 ton 2wd would not bring a significant amount of money anyhow. Those who want 1 tons usually want the 4wd...and if we are now comparing a 4wd 1 ton to a custom 1/2 ton...we are comparing apples to oranges and this discussion can end cause it is going nowhere.

Horse sh** --- a 1 ton 2wd generally is better for towing than a 1 ton 4wd.

You are seriously misinformed. The only place a 4wd is better for towing is north of Nebraska,(which you are) and then only for 4 months out of the year.

This truck is not a custom 1/2 ton, because a crew cab 1/2 ton was not made in this era . It is a custom 1 ton with 1/2 ton suspension grafted on it, thereby removing all of the utility value of a 1 ton, and leaving you with a nice fairground cruiser or dirt bike hauler

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by bigblock73

Not to me. Only ppl that need a 1 ton are people who still use a truck as a truck. I don't haul horses, don't work as a contractor, and don't get to pull a race car anywhere. I will stick with a truck that suits me...not one that suits someone else...after all, it is my truck. Besides...1 tons ride like crap.

1 tons do ride like crap --- but the question was -- whats the truck worth? not ----- Whats the truck worth to you, and what you need.

I live in Oklahoma - people using F-350's with 10" lift kits on them as daily drivers is very common(TX too, and undoubtebly many more states) . "Needing" a 1 ton or 3/4 ton is not a requirement for owning one. Believe it or not, a lot of people like them


Anyway - i still like the truck this thread is about. its a nice ride, but a cherry stocker is worth as much money or more as one that has been jacked with- they just appeal to different people -- (and its the very rare modified truck that does not get sold for a loss- either in terms of actual cash $$$ or in the # of hours someone has spent on it-- thats a hard cold fact)
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[streetstar]

Originally Posted by rotgg

if this truck was a stock 1 ton it would be worth more lol

Yes -- thats a fact. As i said in an earlier post, your 10,000 paint job does not add 10,000 to the selling price of this vehicle, unless it can stand up to the type of scrutiny that Ken's black truck does (N2TRUX), or a few others on this board.

If you are offered 12, then take the money and run

[abebummy26]

Who says this is/was a 1 ton they made 3/4 crew cabs they were more common in SRW anyways from what I have seen.

[rotgg]

[bigblock73]

Streetstar, in order for anyone to validate "is it worth it", there has to be a buyer or market....and this varies from city to city, state to state, person to person. There is no un-biased computer program that will state in black and white if one is worth more than the other...just like you say a stocker is worth more than this one is just like me saying not necessarily or disagreeing...those ore both our OPINIONS. I have never seen anyone get soo bent out of shape over an opinionated discussion.

[bigblock73]

Originally Posted by streetstar

Horse sh** --- a 1 ton 2wd generally is better for towing than a 1 ton 4wd.

You are seriously misinformed. The only place a 4wd is better for towing is north of Nebraska,(which you are) and then only for 4 months out of the year.

This truck is not a custom 1/2 ton, because a crew cab 1/2 ton was not made in this era . It is a custom 1 ton with 1/2 ton suspension grafted on it, thereby removing all of the utility value of a 1 ton, and leaving you with a nice fairground cruiser or dirt bike hauler

4 months!! Obviously you have not lived north of Nebraska...tell that to the folks who get snowfall between November and April...we do here in MN (especially the northern end of the state)...snowfall can often happen 6+ months out of the year in some areas...have you seen weather patterns in Canada or Alaska?

BTW, this truck could have been a 3/4 ton too.

One more BTW - Texas is a truck state...just because guys who drive F350's with 10 inch lifts down there, doesn't mean we have the same up here...I don't think I have seen but one or two...and those were show trucks. Again, different city, state, person and market.

In closing, since you obviously can be wrong (or at least understanding of BOTH sides of the discussion) on anything in the conversation and nobody else can be right, I am done...have fun arguing.

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by bigblock73

. I have never seen anyone get soo bent out of shape over an opinionated discussion.

There's no second place winner, only second place losers --- the tale of the tape in the end is not what you or i think -- but what the owner thinks, the trophies it racks up, or the coin it brings

Lighten up, Francis, --- i did not mean for you to take my posts in a demeaning manner

See? Smiley face

[streetstar]

Rotgg , If thats a compliment on my truck, thank you -- its a work in progress,

[jokersbowtie]

all that??

the truck (like all the trucks here) are worth as much as we can get someone to give us for them! None of us will ever get all of our money and time back on these trucks.

[BaddBusa2005]

500 today..sight unseen.

j/k man, that is a slick looking truck. i dig the 4 door short bed. Good luck with the sale.