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retodd7711 · 04-06-2008, 10:59 AM

A lot of my son's friends come over and several of them like to hang around the shop and talk, watch and BS with me. A couple of the guys(kids) really ask questions and are interested in learning a little bit about mechanic work.
I try not to tease or be little them for their inexperience but sometimes it's just good, clean fun.
I do get a little testy sometimes and I'll tell you why.
I work 60-70 hours a week and then come home and try to make a little cash fixing lawn mowers and small engines. I've only got a little bit of time and sometimes it's like. "go away,kid you're bothering me."
No harm meant I'm just tired and cranky.
edit: There's one kid that I tease mercilessly, but it's cause I really like him, not being mean.

GMC Jim · 04-06-2008, 12:24 PM

at least the older guys don't seem to pick on me for my knowledge (or lack of it! )There just arent that many "old" guys around !

**truckdude239** · 04-06-2008, 02:00 PM

I'm 21 and i know how this is sometimes i am the manager where i work, so i deal a lot with older customers the biggest thing is not to get mad they get there thrill off getting you mad . i don't know everything and wont pretend too. i live life one day at a time because its to presise to lose. if they start messing with you just tell them to move on and iongre them

LONGHAIR · 04-06-2008, 02:35 PM

In general, because none of us can speak to your specific situation....

"Approach/attitude" has a lot to do with this kind of relationship. A "young guy" that acts like a know-it-all, will not be received well. (Even if he does)
The "best case scenario" for a young guy, is to know what he it talking about, but not be "the best guy in the room". Knowledgeable and confident but not cocky is the key.
The "old guys" have already been there....and they are not necessarily willing to just give it away, you have to earn it as much as they did.
Experience is a far better teacher than you think it is.... Doing things successfully/smoothly is great, you learn more from the things that don't go so well.
The truly good older guys, that don't have an axe to grind for some other reason, will eventually share/help, but a lot has to do with you. You have to be willing to "learn" something that you already know from the older guys....Just take it, once in a while, and the stuff that you really can learn from them will happen.
Most of the older guys are not going to waste the time on some kid that won't be around long....staying power gets respect too.
"Someday" you will be one of them....and for the very same reasons, you will act the same way

To be fair, things really do go both ways though. Older guys that don't think that they can learn from the young ones are not the "wise" older guys, especially when it comes to newer vehicles. Not everything from the older guys is "gospel" either....just because "they have done it that way for years" doesn't make it right. This is where experience comes in, older guys can get stuck in their ways, it is up to you to figure out which is better for you.

"Learn from the mistakes of others.....you will never live long enough to make them all yourself."

Above all, don't take it personally.....unless it is. If it is personal, the "professional" interaction is meaningless. Some people will never get along and if you face that, and not worry about it, or try to "fix" it...you will be better in the long run.

bobbo · 04-06-2008, 02:43 PM

^ I agree! We have an "older guy" at work that does the late shift. He is VERY knowledgable in older vehicles and diesels. He asks me alot of questions on the newer stuff because he hasn't had the training and I ask him alot of questions on the older stuff because he knows alot of tricks and I wasn't around.

And I will be the first to say I don't know everything. I've been wrenching for 15 years and with as much as they change and upgrade from one model year to the next, it takes ALOT of training to keep up. Granted there are kids that have been raised around cars and have alot of knowledge, just don't flaunt it or be pushy with it. That is what gets us more experienced guys irritated and will ruin a relationship real quick! PATIENCE is very important!

larry may · 04-06-2008, 04:15 PM

Now this is one man that has things figured out. Bobbo is talking about a complimentary work related relationship . He works smarter not harder. Good for bobbo. He is right .
Drive on Bobbo...

**Ron 586** · 04-06-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wugunguy

Remember one thing-never argue with an idiot, first they drag you down to their level and then they beat you with experience.

That's good advise. A lot of us would do good to take it to heart and get it in our head.

streetstar · 04-06-2008, 07:38 PM

Anytime you are feeling blue about your situation, just keep this link handy for a quick pick me up

this one's a little more subtle.

**Phuloi68** · 04-06-2008, 09:45 PM

Us old guys were young once. I had an attitude when I was younger. I have an attitude now that I'm older. It's just a different attitude.
I wouldn't listen back then, and now I can't hear....

wugunguy · 04-07-2008, 07:36 AM

Light travels faster than sound, that is why some people seem bright until you hear them speak.

JoetheMobster · 04-07-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phuloi68

Us old guys were young once. I had an attitude when I was younger. I have an attitude now that I'm older. It's just a different attitude.
I wouldn't listen back then, and now I can't hear....

larry may · 04-07-2008, 03:00 PM

fyi since this was posted by you . Kinda gives a real CLEAR PICTURE what you are all about.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=286576

Fred T · 04-07-2008, 04:44 PM

The lack of responses by slammedd 70 indicate to me that he just came here to stir the pot. If he wanted a solution, he would have given more info.

bad6772 · 04-07-2008, 04:58 PM

i agree with Fred T....and i dont what kind of people...Slammed70 hangs out with....but to me its like a pissing contest....i am one of the youngest people in my shop....out of 12 guys.....Not once have i ever been treated as a dumb ass because i did not know. how to do something .nor when i asked a question....of course i KNOW i dont know it all .. and i have no CHIP on my shoulder nor anything to Proove....i know what i know and try and learn along the way....Out of the work place i have about 3 friends that are my age....and all others are at least 20 years older than me...Never once have the ever acted like they also know everything...i think its the class of people one is around .and the attitude taken when showed things ....or when advice is given.......being better than someone else does not matter .nor does knowing more..the Goal at hand should be the prize....just my 0.2

Olden Days · 04-07-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slammed70

Yeah, I may be young....but Im not stupid, why do older people who have been wrenching their whole life treat us younger people who havent been around like were idiots and dont know anything?

Maybe because of this type of behavior? Looks like the shoe fits to me!

Quoted from another one of your threads:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slammed70

1. Being the drunken idiot I am,
2. Then theres the issue with me being inebriated a second time and over tightening the valves,
3. So I robbed a different tach from some poor guy who left his window down and a shiney new tach in plain sight.
4. Finally I had it and slammed on the brakes, he rear ended me and got out and yelled at me and told me his neck hurt and what not. I called State Farm and told them an animal ran out infront of me and I applied that brakes, and this gentleman was following to closely and collided with me. So hes a fault, lol. So Im feeling pretty good because I dont care about the car, and his shiney new Dodge is beat up.

Since I dont know if you are making this up or not I will assume you really did this stuff. If it was my place to do it, I would ban you from this board for admitting to being a thief and being a jerk in general

***Liz*** · 04-07-2008, 08:08 PM

without sounding hateful, we can't ban folks for acting ignorant

bobbo · 04-08-2008, 07:40 AM

Should be able to.

They say ignorance is bliss, but in my opinion ignorance is just the lack of trying.

toomanytoyz · 04-08-2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olden Days

Maybe because of this type of behavior? Looks like the shoe fits to me!

Since I dont if you are making this up or not I will assume you really did this stuff. If it was my place to do it, I would ban you from this board for admitting to being a thief and being a jerk in general

I Agree, It Make's me Cringe to think how many people may have read his Post That may have been Scared away from this Site Thinking we are like That as a Group...............

Rick ( Also known as an Old Fart

)

**BillGent** · 04-08-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phuloi68

Us old guys were young once. I had an attitude when I was younger. I have an attitude now that I'm older. It's just a different attitude.
I wouldn't listen back then, and now I can't hear....

LOL!

redneckgirl · 04-08-2008, 05:41 PM

Think you had it rough?? Trying being a young GIRL in the business....Just ask Liz....she can vouch for the BS we were given, I'm sure.

space · 04-08-2008, 11:36 PM

You from Whiteville by chance?

04-06-2008, 10:59 AM	#26
retodd7711 chrome makes it go FASTER! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cleveland Tennessee Posts: 2,884	Re: Angry rant A lot of my son's friends come over and several of them like to hang around the shop and talk, watch and BS with me. A couple of the guys(kids) really ask questions and are interested in learning a little bit about mechanic work. I try not to tease or be little them for their inexperience but sometimes it's just good, clean fun. I do get a little testy sometimes and I'll tell you why. I work 60-70 hours a week and then come home and try to make a little cash fixing lawn mowers and small engines. I've only got a little bit of time and sometimes it's like. "go away,kid you're bothering me." No harm meant I'm just tired and cranky. edit: There's one kid that I tease mercilessly, but it's cause I really like him, not being mean. __________________ She can't cook and she won't clean. But she looks good in a skirt and she brings me beer. She can stay for now. EDIT:: But she left me anyway, So forget her. 1962 GMC Stepside V6 4 speed My rolling resto thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=324226 My old farm truck http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post3465005 Last edited by retodd7711; 04-06-2008 at 11:01 AM.

04-06-2008, 12:24 PM	#27
GMC Jim Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 901	Re: Angry rant at least the older guys don't seem to pick on me for my knowledge (or lack of it! )There just arent that many "old" guys around ! __________________ '71 GMC;fleetside;PB/PS/AC/CC/402 Eng./Custom Paint/110,000act miles/3 fuel tanks(52gal).

04-06-2008, 02:00 PM	#28
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,234	Re: Angry rant I'm 21 and i know how this is sometimes i am the manager where i work, so i deal a lot with older customers the biggest thing is not to get mad they get there thrill off getting you mad . i don't know everything and wont pretend too. i live life one day at a time because its to presise to lose. if they start messing with you just tell them to move on and iongre them __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube

04-06-2008, 02:35 PM	#29
LONGHAIR just can't cover up my redneck Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus OH Posts: 11,414	Re: Angry rant In general, because none of us can speak to your specific situation.... "Approach/attitude" has a lot to do with this kind of relationship. A "young guy" that acts like a know-it-all, will not be received well. (Even if he does) The "best case scenario" for a young guy, is to know what he it talking about, but not be "the best guy in the room". Knowledgeable and confident but not cocky is the key. The "old guys" have already been there....and they are not necessarily willing to just give it away, you have to earn it as much as they did. Experience is a far better teacher than you think it is.... Doing things successfully/smoothly is great, you learn more from the things that don't go so well. The truly good older guys, that don't have an axe to grind for some other reason, will eventually share/help, but a lot has to do with you. You have to be willing to "learn" something that you already know from the older guys....Just take it, once in a while, and the stuff that you really can learn from them will happen. Most of the older guys are not going to waste the time on some kid that won't be around long....staying power gets respect too. "Someday" you will be one of them....and for the very same reasons, you will act the same way To be fair, things really do go both ways though. Older guys that don't think that they can learn from the young ones are not the "wise" older guys, especially when it comes to newer vehicles. Not everything from the older guys is "gospel" either....just because "they have done it that way for years" doesn't make it right. This is where experience comes in, older guys can get stuck in their ways, it is up to you to figure out which is better for you. "Learn from the mistakes of others.....you will never live long enough to make them all yourself." Above all, don't take it personally.....unless it is. If it is personal, the "professional" interaction is meaningless. Some people will never get along and if you face that, and not worry about it, or try to "fix" it...you will be better in the long run.

04-06-2008, 02:43 PM	#30
bobbo Droppin' It Like It's Hot! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Battlefield, Missouri Posts: 2,934	Re: Angry rant ^ I agree! We have an "older guy" at work that does the late shift. He is VERY knowledgable in older vehicles and diesels. He asks me alot of questions on the newer stuff because he hasn't had the training and I ask him alot of questions on the older stuff because he knows alot of tricks and I wasn't around. And I will be the first to say I don't know everything. I've been wrenching for 15 years and with as much as they change and upgrade from one model year to the next, it takes ALOT of training to keep up. Granted there are kids that have been raised around cars and have alot of knowledge, just don't flaunt it or be pushy with it. That is what gets us more experienced guys irritated and will ruin a relationship real quick! PATIENCE is very important! __________________ Robert Life Member RIP CAROL JANICE HARTMAN. BELOVED MOTHER. 01/04/53 - 03/05/09 1969 1500 Norwood, MO 2007 Big Sandy, TN 2008 Had nothing to do with the forklift! Kirkwood, MO (Midwest Meet 2009) Midwest All Truck Nationals, KCMO - 2008 - 2009 - 2010 - 2012 - 2014 SUPPORT THE SITE HERE!

04-06-2008, 04:15 PM	#31
larry may Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: MISSOURI Posts: 3,256	Re: Angry rant Now this is one man that has things figured out. Bobbo is talking about a complimentary work related relationship . He works smarter not harder. Good for bobbo. He is right . Drive on Bobbo... __________________ The biggest problem people have, is other people Thou shalt be cool and not hassle Be a site supporter. The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool inclines to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 Last edited by larry may; 04-06-2008 at 04:15 PM.

04-06-2008, 09:45 PM	#34
Phuloi68 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Valparaiso, In Posts: 1,114	Re: Angry rant Us old guys were young once. I had an attitude when I was younger. I have an attitude now that I'm older. It's just a different attitude. I wouldn't listen back then, and now I can't hear.... __________________ Phuloi68 Indy survivor Norwood survivor Big Sandy survivor for those who fight for it... F R E E D O M has a price the protected will never know.

04-07-2008, 07:36 AM	#35
wugunguy 70 C/10-Work in progress Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 601	Re: Angry rant Light travels faster than sound, that is why some people seem bright until you hear them speak. __________________ In the garage 1999 Dodge Dakota Sport-Daily Driver 1972 Chevy K/5 CST AC/PS/PB/4x4/Tow Hooks/Tilt 1970 Chevy C/10-Current project

04-07-2008, 03:00 PM	#37
larry may Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: MISSOURI Posts: 3,256	Re: Angry rant fyi since this was posted by you . Kinda gives a real CLEAR PICTURE what you are all about. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=286576 __________________ The biggest problem people have, is other people Thou shalt be cool and not hassle Be a site supporter. The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool inclines to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2

04-07-2008, 04:44 PM	#38
Fred T Cantankerous Geezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bel Aire, KS Posts: 6,264	Re: Angry rant The lack of responses by slammedd 70 indicate to me that he just came here to stir the pot. If he wanted a solution, he would have given more info. __________________ Fred There is no such thing as too much cam...just not enough engine.

04-07-2008, 04:58 PM	#39
bad6772 Official Site Guitar Shredder Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oz Posts: 3,955	Re: Angry rant i agree with Fred T....and i dont what kind of people...Slammed70 hangs out with....but to me its like a pissing contest....i am one of the youngest people in my shop....out of 12 guys.....Not once have i ever been treated as a dumb ass because i did not know. how to do something .nor when i asked a question....of course i KNOW i dont know it all .. and i have no CHIP on my shoulder nor anything to Proove....i know what i know and try and learn along the way....Out of the work place i have about 3 friends that are my age....and all others are at least 20 years older than me...Never once have the ever acted like they also know everything...i think its the class of people one is around .and the attitude taken when showed things ....or when advice is given.......being better than someone else does not matter .nor does knowing more..the Goal at hand should be the prize....just my 0.2

04-07-2008, 08:08 PM	#41
*Liz* Catchy title goes here.. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rockwell, NC Posts: 39,745	Re: Angry rant without sounding hateful, we can't ban folks for acting ignorant

04-08-2008, 07:40 AM	#42
bobbo Droppin' It Like It's Hot! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Battlefield, Missouri Posts: 2,934	Re: Angry rant Should be able to. They say ignorance is bliss, but in my opinion ignorance is just the lack of trying. __________________ Robert Life Member RIP CAROL JANICE HARTMAN. BELOVED MOTHER. 01/04/53 - 03/05/09 1969 1500 Norwood, MO 2007 Big Sandy, TN 2008 Had nothing to do with the forklift! Kirkwood, MO (Midwest Meet 2009) Midwest All Truck Nationals, KCMO - 2008 - 2009 - 2010 - 2012 - 2014 SUPPORT THE SITE HERE!

04-08-2008, 05:41 PM	#45
redneckgirl Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Posts: 4,853	Re: Angry rant Think you had it rough?? Trying being a young GIRL in the business....Just ask Liz....she can vouch for the BS we were given, I'm sure. __________________ The place where you made your stand never mattered. Only that you were there... and still on your feet. Stephen King

04-08-2008, 11:36 PM	#46
space Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Benson-ish, NC Posts: 325	Re: Angry rant You from Whiteville by chance?



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