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rwgregory · 02-19-2010, 01:06 AM

Frank, that sounds like some of the nonsense they would pull here in California. Having been to your place, not only do you keep a stelth/low profile, but all of your stuff is behind a stand of trees and cannot be seen from the road. It sounds as though Washington is taking a page out of the "Golden State's" book to increase revenue. Best of luck to you.

**Dieselwrencher** · 02-19-2010, 02:08 AM

Frank, that sucks to hear. Maybe look into the Wa code or something. I know my parent's got out of having to annex into the city a while back because of a code in the Iowa code. It's worth a try. The city was trying to illegely annex them so the city could annex a whole section of land to get more state revenue. All of the other land was illegely zoned and annexed in the first place. After our city hall meetings things got bad for some of the older city council and staff members.

Jim_PA · 02-19-2010, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harshard

This whole country is going to hell in a hand basket, and I mean FAST. We are all loosing our rights as citizens everyday. Thank your liberals in office for that.

Still bitter?

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with liberals. I'm not one, or the other, but jeez, this mentality has to change. This type of propoganda is what is sending the country to hell in a hand basket. ...

Either way, sucks about the fines

lax54650 · 02-19-2010, 08:20 AM

there is a guy here in town that fought this same battle. he runs a body shop restores mustangs. had probably 100 cars on his in city property. he refused to put privacy slats in his hurricane fence. he lost his appeal to the state supreme court. they were alleging he was selling parts. i think he sold some parts but not many.
But he is not a stellar tax paying citizen. state irs has shut him down several times in last 20 yrs. he has done things to aggrivate city like not paying his taxes, not having a compliant paint booth, leaving un licenced vehicles parked on road for months, he leased a giant billboard slamming the city and its "corruptness" etc.
he is still in bussines has sold or moved most of his old iron. but has put the bill board on an old tool truck on his property.
i think you have a legitimate fight. if you do it respectfully.

**Thealien** · 02-19-2010, 08:35 AM

Good luck Frank. All I can say without getting political!

panhandler62 · 02-19-2010, 09:19 AM

I know I live in a hick town, but the police here have better things to do than pester people over petty BS like that.

Try asking your congress-critter for help. Can't hurt.

pumpkin · 02-19-2010, 10:45 AM

It lust blows my mind how the people in power always go after the law abiding,tax paying citizens, while the criminals can continue with their dealings. Tell them your not selling used parts, they are free with any arms, or drug purchase.

hgs_notes · 02-19-2010, 10:52 AM

Typical for Washington. I've lived there a couple times and this is no surprise.

I remember a junkyard that was around Mukilteo I think. It was in the news because he had been in business there for decades, out in a quiet undeveloped area. Then with the housing boom, it got all built up. All of those people knew about the yard before they built or bought there nice new homes. Then when there was enough of them around, they sued him to close or move because it did not fit in with the "residential area". Why did the county or city allow construction of new homes next to a yard in the first place?

Money!

GASoline71 · 02-19-2010, 11:32 AM

Wow Frank... My Dad and I have been to your place and bought parts numerous times. It's always a pleasure to do business with you.

If the WSP is claiming that you have a "wrecking yard" with the small handful of trucks and parts on your property... they are out to friggin' lunch.

Good luck...

Gary

lax54650 · 02-19-2010, 11:33 AM

Why did the county or city allow construction of new homes next to a yard in the first place?

to get more tax dollars

Tkmadone · 02-19-2010, 11:35 AM

Ah, the People's Republic of Washington. I am so glad I left!

We live in a petty tyranny, and this kind of BS is the result. I feel for you buddy and I have my fingers crossed!

DT1 · 02-19-2010, 11:46 AM

Too Political.
you got that right!!

dan42 · 02-19-2010, 11:47 AM

Just a reminder, guys, this is a thread about a guy that is frustrated with how he is being treated by government officials - we can all understand that, and at times can relate to it, but lets try to leave it at that - venting is one thing, politics is another, and if it drifts away from the subject matter too far and becomes a pissing match, it will be locked, and probably warnings will be given by the big cheeses.

Boomerswany · 02-19-2010, 12:06 PM

Best of Luck... silly situation!

67vetteal · 02-19-2010, 12:52 PM

Please post asto current situation. Al W.

teeitup · 02-19-2010, 12:58 PM

Thats crazy Frank, I wishing for the best for you. Luckily they haven't started that around here but I'm sure its coming. Good luck, Randy

**Ironangel** · 02-19-2010, 01:04 PM

First of all, This sucks brother! Secondly,and without knowing any case details,Id push it ALL the way to the states highest court and beyond if necessary! Its been dismissed out one lower court already, all they want is their payoff via scare tactics through their so called district courts due process! Liquidate and put your money where nobody can find it and prepare for the real battle. When you beat them they will come after you from a direction you never anticipated! And know that they are reading this thread! They suck and do more harm to America and to her citizens than all the combined so called enemies outside our borders!

sokyclassics · 02-19-2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N2TRUX

Have you thought about contacting SEMA are similar organizations? It might be worth looking in to.

That's exactly what I was thinking. They have the SEMA Action Network (SAN) that can help with such things.

Here is their website: http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=60129

1956cameo · 02-19-2010, 01:36 PM

I have been debating over the last year or two whether or not there was a need for me to join SEMA. I think I will be joining soon if officials are treating fellow car enthusiasts this way; because if I join the fight against this kind of treatment I will be targeted next. I still can't believe the no swap meet, ebay, or craigslist thing!

eightbanger · 02-19-2010, 02:31 PM

Unbelievable! your getting on with your life enjoying your hobby like the rest of us and causing no trouble, but you get shat on.
I hope you come through this unscathed.

BEST OF LUCK MATE!

speedfreak369 · 02-19-2010, 04:52 PM

just tring to lightin the mood. and i wish u the best of luck.

guess this is the way we are getting money for hati now. lol

demi · 02-19-2010, 06:07 PM

I am sorry to hear about your dilemma. I was curious as to the legal requirements and licensing in your state as well as county, so I spent quite a few hours researching the ordinances and licensing regulations as well as violations regarding this action. Of course, I will not comment on any of the resulting findings because that is for you and your representation.

As a side note, I feel this is a good opportunity for all of us in the “hobby” of restoring or modifying older vehicles to familiarize ourselves with our own state, city and/or county ordinances regulating the storage and/or dismantling of inoperable vehicles as well as part sales from those said vehicles. Also, familiarize yourself with your parcels zoning.

As for the “…buying or selling at swap meets, CL, Ebay or any other means is also illegal….” Most states and counties currently have ordinances regulating this as well.

For example, Thurston County’s definition of “garage sale” and language would cover the CL and Ebay venue; fortunately, the first offense is a written warning and consecutive ones are 100 bucks unless (of course) one files for a license. There is more to this, but you all get the idea.

Knowing the silly and not – so – silly ordinances pertaining to our hobby will allow us to become proactive in the automotive restoration community.

Knowledge is power

PanelDeland · 02-19-2010, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GASoline71

Wow Frank... My Dad and I have been to your place and bought parts numerous times. It's always a pleasure to do business with you.

If the WSP is claiming that you have a "wrecking yard" with the small handful of trucks and parts on your property... they are out to friggin' lunch.

Good luck...

Gary

You did not buy parts.Frank gave you parts and you contributed to his Not for Profit personal museum of the American Truck.Maybe this is the way to get around their silly BS.

Old Yeller 1970 · 02-19-2010, 11:10 PM

Sorry to hear about your situation. You aught to be free to sell what you want. Situations like yours is one reason why I live in the the middle-of-no-where podunk West Texas.

suville · 02-19-2010, 11:34 PM

Frank, it perplexes me that they target guys like you and Wess but given the current state of financial affairs its no surprise they will do anything and all things in their power to collect revenue. Sorry to say but they go after the producers not the bottom feeders unfortunately its not feasible to pack it up and move but boy could we use you over here in Idaho! Wishing you all the best in your battle! Might be time to vote with your feet! Got lotsa room over here!

02-19-2010, 01:06 AM	#26
rwgregory Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chula Vista, California Posts: 495	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! Frank, that sounds like some of the nonsense they would pull here in California. Having been to your place, not only do you keep a stelth/low profile, but all of your stuff is behind a stand of trees and cannot be seen from the road. It sounds as though Washington is taking a page out of the "Golden State's" book to increase revenue. Best of luck to you. __________________ rwgregory 67 GMC 2500 ,2w/d wide box 305 V-6, 4-speed

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lax54650 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: lacrosse wi. Posts: 426	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! there is a guy here in town that fought this same battle. he runs a body shop restores mustangs. had probably 100 cars on his in city property. he refused to put privacy slats in his hurricane fence. he lost his appeal to the state supreme court. they were alleging he was selling parts. i think he sold some parts but not many. But he is not a stellar tax paying citizen. state irs has shut him down several times in last 20 yrs. he has done things to aggrivate city like not paying his taxes, not having a compliant paint booth, leaving un licenced vehicles parked on road for months, he leased a giant billboard slamming the city and its "corruptness" etc. he is still in bussines has sold or moved most of his old iron. but has put the bill board on an old tool truck on his property. i think you have a legitimate fight. if you do it respectfully. Last edited by lax54650; 02-19-2010 at 08:21 AM.

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lax54650 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: lacrosse wi. Posts: 426	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! Why did the county or city allow construction of new homes next to a yard in the first place? to get more tax dollars

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Tkmadone Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 193	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! Ah, the People's Republic of Washington. I am so glad I left! We live in a petty tyranny, and this kind of BS is the result. I feel for you buddy and I have my fingers crossed!

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dan42 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cali Central Coast Posts: 5,191	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! Just a reminder, guys, this is a thread about a guy that is frustrated with how he is being treated by government officials - we can all understand that, and at times can relate to it, but lets try to leave it at that - venting is one thing, politics is another, and if it drifts away from the subject matter too far and becomes a pissing match, it will be locked, and probably warnings will be given by the big cheeses. __________________ '67 SWB Fleetside ZZ4/350/Tremec 5-speed/4link/Scott's IFS - and fun as heck! SOLD Click here to support the board Philippians 4: 6-7 Last edited by dan42; 02-19-2010 at 11:47 AM.

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02-19-2010, 01:04 PM	#42
Ironangel Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Falls City, Nebraska "100 Miles From Nowhere" Posts: 2,219	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! First of all, This sucks brother! Secondly,and without knowing any case details,Id push it ALL the way to the states highest court and beyond if necessary! Its been dismissed out one lower court already, all they want is their payoff via scare tactics through their so called district courts due process! Liquidate and put your money where nobody can find it and prepare for the real battle. When you beat them they will come after you from a direction you never anticipated! And know that they are reading this thread! They suck and do more harm to America and to her citizens than all the combined so called enemies outside our borders!



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1956cameo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Angleton, TX Posts: 2,219	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! I have been debating over the last year or two whether or not there was a need for me to join SEMA. I think I will be joining soon if officials are treating fellow car enthusiasts this way; because if I join the fight against this kind of treatment I will be targeted next. I still can't believe the no swap meet, ebay, or craigslist thing! __________________ I don't always drive trucks; but when I do I prefer Chevy's. Stay driving my friends. '72 blazer 2wd build 67-72 Factory Big Block Registry Last edited by 1956cameo; 02-19-2010 at 01:36 PM.

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demi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 305	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! I am sorry to hear about your dilemma. I was curious as to the legal requirements and licensing in your state as well as county, so I spent quite a few hours researching the ordinances and licensing regulations as well as violations regarding this action. Of course, I will not comment on any of the resulting findings because that is for you and your representation. As a side note, I feel this is a good opportunity for all of us in the “hobby” of restoring or modifying older vehicles to familiarize ourselves with our own state, city and/or county ordinances regulating the storage and/or dismantling of inoperable vehicles as well as part sales from those said vehicles. Also, familiarize yourself with your parcels zoning. As for the “…buying or selling at swap meets, CL, Ebay or any other means is also illegal….” Most states and counties currently have ordinances regulating this as well. For example, Thurston County’s definition of “garage sale” and language would cover the CL and Ebay venue; fortunately, the first offense is a written warning and consecutive ones are 100 bucks unless (of course) one files for a license. There is more to this, but you all get the idea. Knowing the silly and not – so – silly ordinances pertaining to our hobby will allow us to become proactive in the automotive restoration community. Knowledge is power Last edited by demi; 02-19-2010 at 06:37 PM.

02-19-2010, 11:10 PM	#49
Old Yeller 1970 DON'T TREAD ON ME Join Date: May 2005 Location: Crosby County, TX Posts: 989	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! Sorry to hear about your situation. You aught to be free to sell what you want. Situations like yours is one reason why I live in the the middle-of-no-where podunk West Texas. __________________ Old Yeller

02-19-2010, 11:34 PM	#50
suville Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mtn. Home, Idaho Posts: 906	Re: Headed to court again...for restoring classic trucks! Frank, it perplexes me that they target guys like you and Wess but given the current state of financial affairs its no surprise they will do anything and all things in their power to collect revenue. Sorry to say but they go after the producers not the bottom feeders unfortunately its not feasible to pack it up and move but boy could we use you over here in Idaho! Wishing you all the best in your battle! Might be time to vote with your feet! Got lotsa room over here!

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