NV4500/NP205 question (s)

[70custom20]

Where in PA is the guy located?
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[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

um... i'm not sure. i don't have an immediate use for it but i do have plans for my other truck that may include it. ill think about it. i have a hoarding issue with chevy parts if you had a lead on a 78-79 ford dana 60 dually, i would be way easier to convince i didn't need it

ryan

I hear ya. I'll keep my eyes open for ya on the Ford 60.

I have located 3 round pattern 205s in three days. I may get an extra one myself since they seem to be so hard to find.

[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by 70custom20

Where in PA is the guy located?
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[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

um... i'm not sure. i don't have an immediate use for it but i do have plans for my other truck that may include it. ill think about it. i have a hoarding issue with chevy parts if you had a lead on a 78-79 ford dana 60 dually, i would be way easier to convince i didn't need it

ryan

Found this:

Ford Dana 60 for sale

toad
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Removed from a 1994 f350. Complete caliper to caliper. 3.55 gears. SRW. Comes with everything for F250 swap if you want it. 600.00 bucks.

[70custom20]

He lists his location as NW PA, that's on the other side of the state from me. I'm in SE PA.
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[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by 70custom20

He lists his location as NW PA, that's on the other side of the state from me. I'm in SE PA.
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Well I guess if your looking for a round 205 t case, he might be within driving distance (?) in your case.

I have a new "diliema" now. I have three guys trying to sell me round 205s!

I thought this was going to be harder than this?

[duallyjams]

Why not use a np241 they are a lot easier to find and it will bolt right up to the nv4500.

Larry if we lived closer I would trade my early gm nv4500 for yours.

[ryanroo]

Originally Posted by SunSoaked

Found this:

Ford Dana 60 for sale

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Removed from a 1994 f350. Complete caliper to caliper. 3.55 gears. SRW. Comes with everything for F250 swap if you want it. 600.00 bucks.

I have one of those already! i told you i have a hoarding issue... anyhow, let me know how your other three turn out. i think i may be persuaded out of mine if you don't get one

Ryan

[odog]

Originally Posted by SunSoaked

Well guys-Looks like I got good news and bad news.

Bad news: The guy I was dealing with in PA doesn't give me a "warm fuzzy" as my wife would say, so I'm backing out of the deal since I havent heard from him in a while

Good news: I located a guy selling a complete conversion package in Id that is still in the truck. The 4500 was just rebuilt less than 200 miles ago before he totaled the truck (rolled it). Hes got all the receipts. Its a 93, and comes with a brand new flywheel, clutch and the pedal assembly, M/C, shifter, etc.

The great news is he lives 20 miles from my brother whos a big rig mechanic, so it will be a confident upfront deal. They are going to remove it this weekend.

I'm actually much happier with this deal because its virtually all new and I didn't even factor in the price of a new clutch before.

I also opened a gold mine of parts availability. Being farming country, there are trucks being parted out everywhere.

I'm confidant I'll find that round pattern 205 yet.

Got the package for $1000.

Hey you said you found one in Idaho, 20 miles from your brother. Where does he live, I live here in Idaho.

[70custom20]

Originally Posted by SunSoaked

Well I guess if your looking for a round 205 t case, he might be within driving distance (?) in your case.

I have a new "diliema" now. I have three guys trying to sell me round 205s!

I thought this was going to be harder than this?

I'm not in the market for one, I already bought one a little over a year ago. I just thought if it were close to me I might be able to help you out.
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[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

I have one of those already! i told you i have a hoarding issue... anyhow, let me know how your other three turn out. i think i may be persuaded out of mine if you don't get one

Ryan

I understand the challenge that turns into addiction. i appreciate your offer, if everything else falls thru I'll come after yours. I'll be in Longmont next month, you think I can get it thru the airport security as carryon baggage?

[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by 70custom20

I'm not in the market for one, I already bought one a little over a year ago. I just thought if it were close to me I might be able to help you out.
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Hey, I appreciate your offer. Its good to have fellow members willing to help out. You need anything from me, let me know

[ryanroo]

That thing will fit into the overhead for sure!

Ryan

[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by odog

Hey you said you found one in Idaho, 20 miles from your brother. Where does he live, I live here in Idaho.

odog-

I grew up in Burley and know your area well. The parts guy is in Pocatello. Brother lives in American Falls.

Are you looking for anything? This guy (not the one I'm getting the 4500 stuff from) is telling me that he has several round nP205s/pass side drop and is willing to sell them to me for $100 each. I'm sending my brother over there on Friday to verify and send photos. At that price, I'm buying every one he has.

[odog]

Actually, I have been sitting on one for 7 years now. It came out of a wrecked 72. They guy had the tcase rebuilt and 2 months later his wife rolled the truck. Its basically brand new, been sitting inside and I got it for free. I've just kept it quiet, Im kind of a hoarder that way.

Im not looking for anythig right now, an NV is on my list, but not right now. If you find anything out this way and need somebody to look it over for you, let me know.

Erik

[Redcap]

Originally Posted by SunSoaked

odog-

I grew up in Burley and know your area well. The parts guy is in Pocatello. Brother lives in American Falls.

Are you looking for anything? This guy (not the one I'm getting the 4500 stuff from) is telling me that he has several round nP205s/pass side drop and is willing to sell them to me for $100 each. I'm sending my brother over there on Friday to verify and send photos. At that price, I'm buying every one he has.

Jesus, at a hundred a piece...I'd clean him out too!

[DirtyLarry]

Originally Posted by Redcap

Jesus, at a hundred a piece...I'd clean him out too!

Better share one with your pal Larry bro!

[ryanroo]

you get them for 100 bucks and ill take one off your hands for $200!

[SunSoaked]

Well hopefully this pans out like he says. He answered a wanted ad I placed on CL. He "parts trucks" for a living and sounded like he knew what he was talking about. He described it correctly and said more than once they were 205c round pattern out of late 80s 3/4 and 1 tons with the front output on the right "passenger side". He said he went to put one in his 88 1/2 ton and realized it was the wrong side drop (which should be IFS with a D/S drop), which sounds correct. As we all know, until you actually see it and then buy and possess it, it's not 100%. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I'll keep ya'll posted.

[SunSoaked]

I figured it was too good to be true. Turns out the 205s were 206s. Had he sent me the photo of it earlier I would have know it wasn't a 205. I'm not sure its a 206? I'm not sure I have even heard of a 206.

I have another one located and in the process of closing the deal. $250 and its a 205 6bolt round P/S drop for sure. The 4500 should be here in about 10-12 days> Christmas coming early

I think I just spent my wifes Christmas money. Probly spend a week or two in the doghouse

[ryanroo]

ive never heard of a 206. i think jeep used a 207 in the early square headlight wranglers. bummer though 100 bucks a pop for roundy 205s would have been pretty sweet.

Ryan

[Redcap]

Originally Posted by SunSoaked

I figured it was too good to be true. Turns out the 205s were 206s. Had he sent me the photo of it earlier I would have know it wasn't a 205. I'm not sure its a 206? I'm not sure I have even heard of a 206.

I have another one located and in the process of closing the deal. $250 and its a 205 6bolt round P/S drop for sure. The 4500 should be here in about 10-12 days> Christmas coming early

I think I just spent my wifes Christmas money. Probly spend a week or two in the doghouse

That looks like a NP208 to me. Junk.

Glad you found a round-6 NP205 at a decent price!

[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by Redcap

That looks like a NP208 to me. Junk.

Glad you found a round-6 NP205 at a decent price!

Seems pretty hit or miss. More miss than hit lately. I just dont get folks that are provided several photos and a detailed description of something and still offer me something thats different thinking it's what I asked for. I wouldn't have gone thru the trouble to find/upload the photos if I didn't expect an exact or specific reply.

Worse yet are the folks who have what I want and quickly reply they have one and then dont follow thru with it. I mean if you have one you want to sell, then make an effort to sell the darn thing. I have the funds just waiting to be transferred.

Frustrating to say the least.

[72BBCK20]

Hi SunSoaked, Just looking over your NP205 nv4500 ''possible conversion'' Just to let you know that the damper should stay on and they did come on gas nv4500 truck. Mine came from a 96 350 truck. Also you will need the AA adaptor as you showed us along with the adaptor you will need to grind a small slot into the flange of the nv4500 tail housing about 3/4'' deep for T/C shifter clearance. You will also need the AA shifter T/C braket to bolt in your T/C lever somewhere. however it depends on your fab skills, personally I built my own braket based on the AA one with a little more beef to it. I also did not use the stock bell housing. instead I used an 86 SM465 hydraulic bell housing and fabbed my own adaptor to mate it to the NV4500. it only adds 1/4'' I am also running a centerforce clutch for an 86 K30 454 application.

[SunSoaked]

Hey, I really appreciate your input. The original deal fell thru but I ended up getting a better deal, so its all good. I got a 4500 out of a 93 with a fresh overhaul and nearly new (200 miles) clutch/flywheel.

This trans does not have the balancer on the output shaft. Its the way it came from gM. I will use the AA belhousing so I can keep the clutch fork on the drivers side. I plan to use the OEM clutch master and slave and probably make my own robust slave mount.

I have heard conflicting thoughts on the trans to t-case adapter. Some say the "short" t-case output bolts directly to the trans and the tail housing requires notching for the shift rails and others say if its the long shaft you need the adapter (spacer) and it already is clearanced. I think all round pattern 205 had long inputs. If its a short input its been changed.

Thats what this guy told me and he owns a company that does commercial 4wd conversions for ambulances and that type of stuff for 34 years. He has a huge NOS parts inventory and bought directlly from New Venture back when.

He has several NOS round 205 bare cases and NOS inputs (32 spline longs). I went that route, since I already have a older 205 and I can just swap the guts and call it good and not have to deal with shipping. Both the t-case and trans are on thier way. It may be a week before they get here and I can then put it together and see for myself whats needed.