shaking all over the place?

[PGSigns]

One more thing with the rear pictures is it looks like the center pin has been spinning with the spider gears. That should not happen. I know you don't want to hear this but with all the issues you have had with this truck I would start from the back and work your way to the front and check everything. They rear needs to come apart and since you have it open may as well start there. The brake lines are not attached as they should be and it looks like an old one still hanging in a bracket in the one picture. I would inspect them from front to rear and look at the rubber hoses to make sure they are 100%. While you are sorting the rear end pull the drive shaft and service the u-joints. Pull all the wheels and inspect the brakes, check the tires for bad cords. Check the bushings in the trailing arms. Pics were requested of the front end and I think you had them in another thread. You are at a disadvantage being on that side of the pond for parts and will make this adventure much more difficult. I assume you got this truck sight unseen and did not take it for a good shake down before you got it.
Jimmy

[61K10]

why the ware marks on the Pin? bolt broke and letting it spin?

[[JP]]

Hi, thanks for the reply, I'll do that jacking up the wheels.

the chunk of metal is not very big, as you can see on pic 5 where its lodged. Id say about half inch, length and then rolled. its thin, as you say it looks like a shim..
yes it came out of the differential.

I had a look on the gears and didnt find anything chipped, but I'll have a look again.

Yes that wear on the pin does look like one of the axles been rubbing..which might be why there's play on the left hand side axle, like the video shows? or maybe the right hand side axle is too much agains the pin? because that axle has no play at all.

how do you get that pin out? is it just a case of hitting on one side till it cames out the other?

you mention pictures of the front end.. front end of the truck?
and also pictures of the front end parts? inside the axle?

im really confused lol

[[JP]]

Originally Posted by PGSigns

One more thing with the rear pictures is it looks like the center pin has been spinning with the spider gears. That should not happen. I know you don't want to hear this but with all the issues you have had with this truck I would start from the back and work your way to the front and check everything. They rear needs to come apart and since you have it open may as well start there. The brake lines are not attached as they should be and it looks like an old one still hanging in a bracket in the one picture. I would inspect them from front to rear and look at the rubber hoses to make sure they are 100%. While you are sorting the rear end pull the drive shaft and service the u-joints. Pull all the wheels and inspect the brakes, check the tires for bad cords. Check the bushings in the trailing arms. Pics were requested of the front end and I think you had them in another thread. You are at a disadvantage being on that side of the pond for parts and will make this adventure much more difficult. I assume you got this truck sight unseen and did not take it for a good shake down before you got it.
Jimmy

yep, didnt get to drive it, just trusted the seller, big mistake!
it was driving fine, the little I've driven it, but I guess all my flooring the pedal to try sort the fuel problems damaged something in the back.

as you rightly say, the front end is a right mess, springs been hacked and its quite low, but all in the front seems alright... but I'll check that as well.
the brakes have new ish lines, that one is hanging and its a job for the future, to cut the old one out and put the new one in.

I definitely need a manual! no chance on getting one from the US because it weights a tone!

[PGSigns]

I would say the bolt is broke and the pin is or was wedged in one of the spider gears. Once you find parts laying in the oil that should not be there we always pull everything apart and clean it. Take a good look at the bearings, gear, axles and the carrier and replace what is needed and do new bearings and seals from end to end when it goes back together. Stuff has been in there for 50 years and really looks like it needs to be treated to some new stuff.
Jimmy

[[JP]]

Ok.. just seen a video on youtube. a bit different from land rover axles, but seem simple.

I'll get under the truck again at some point and look to see if the bolt that should be using the pin is gone missing or still there.

the pin seemed to be in its correct spot, not even moved a bit to one side or the other, but I'll look and see what's going on.

[[JP]]

just had a look at the photos... isnt that the bolt there at the bottom?

[PGSigns]

Just looking at the last two post the pin should never move it is held in place with a special bolt at one end. When the pins is no longer held in place it can cause very bad things if it makes it out the hole. A service manual will only help you a little bit. With the mods made to this truck a good bit of it wont be covered. 99.9% of the info you need is available on line. The next part is the experience to be able to look at what you have and identify what it is, is it supposed to look like that and what is needed to fix it. Some of that you can get help with here but a good bit of it just comes with time. I have been turning wrenches for more than 40 years so the stuff is second nature now. I worked on British cars in the late 70's and always enjoyed the way the manuals were written.
Jimmy

[PGSigns]

Yup thats it. Spin it out and see how long it is.
Jimmy

[luvbowties]

Originally Posted by [JP]

just had a look at the photos... isnt that the bolt there at the bottom?

Sure looks like the head of the bolt(cap-screw-pin)that holds the axle-retaining pin in place, with some more metal--like an internally threaded 'chunk' that the retainer bolt/pin screws into.

And if I may speculate further: Be sure to check each spider gear for a missing chunk. And pay attention to #26 and #30. I'm afraid you are gonna find the axle-retaining pin a real pain to remove, esp. if part of its retaining-bolt is still screwed in with its head snapped off.
Sam

[[JP]]

OK gents, many thanks for the help!

Might be a few days now till I have time to get out and look at everything.
I'll take it all apart, take loads of photos and then post here. might as well get it done properly seeing as its opened up.

there will only be 2 outcomes, or will be cheap and quick to repair or it will need a load of heavy parts from the US that will cost a bomb, in which case it will sit as is probably till next winter.

[Paul Y]

Nothing worse than chasing 2 problems...

Just a though, why not by pass the filter with a bit of pipe and see if that fixes the issue?

If the gaskets on the float bowls are blue then I think they are the re usable one. If I am mistaken sure somebody else will pipe in!

At first glance I thought the bit of metal was off the crown wheel tags but in the second picture it looks a lot more substantial... Is there any visible damage on the crown wheel or pinion gears?

With the rear cover off when you rotate the wheels do they have an equal reaction at the crown wheel?

As for the extension on the panhard rod that is so that it works with the lowered stance.

P.

For some reason i did not see the others posts before offering my 2p's worth.

Please disregard my axle stuff!

P.

Further edit! Just got the video to work. You have a blockage somewhere as the fuel should be flowing at a much faster rate than that. Whether it is the filter, pump or something else best do some trouble shooting.

[[JP]]

seeing as there's so much curiosity about the bit of metal I found in there I went out and took some photos, was still on the floor where I had taken the first photo of it.

Paul, I didn't notice any damage, but to be honest wasnt really looking for it as everything runs smoothy in there, there's no cluncks or crunches, nothing.
But I'll look with more attention next time I find some free time to get under the truck.

so heres more..

[PGSigns]

Till you take it apart and get a look at all the pieces it is just speculation on a bearing part or thrust washer out of the spider gears. Run a rag in the bottom of the housing and wipe it clean into a container. See what else is in there. I think when you pull it down you will find a couple of issues.
Jimmy

[[JP]]

yeh.. I'll have a look in the container where that oil went to as well.

[chevy_mike]

Yes, the "bolt" is there but it's a long pin with threads near the bolt head. The pin goes into a hole within the large center pin, which holds that large in in place. It is very common for this pin to break, even when just removing it. This is common enough that there is a special tool that thread into where the bolt part is, with a hold that uses a long drill bit to drill out this pin, so you can remove the center pin.

[[JP]]

as PG Signs says, its all speculation at the moment, till I take it all apart.

But now watching a video on how to take the whole thing apart, and looking at the bit of metal found, I wonder if that bit of metal is part of a shim that should be behind the spider gear?
that would explain the slack on the axle shaft - shim gone from behind the spider gear, spider gear moves out, leaving more space for the axle shaft to move in and out?

[chevy_mike]

Here's the removal kit and retaining pin. You can see how much longer it is then just the threaded part.

http://www.fabbriassociates.com/kitinfo.html

[padresag]

Originally Posted by [JP]

right, so been out today again and taken the cover off. All looks fine to me in there, the C clips are in place, everything turns smoothly...
but that play I've shown on the video still bugs me.... is there a way to get rid of that play? the other side has no play at all
found a bit of metal inside, but its very thin, all crumpled up. is there anything inside that might have come loose like a washer or a lock tab or something like that?

Also looks like the previous owner has welded the tie rod for some reason..? the bush at the end doesnt look great either, would that much being the way it is cause a shake?




So... all looks good inside?

is there a way to tighten up something to get rid of that play?

it may have a later axle in it; perhaps that is why that bar has been cut and welded
ron

[[JP]]

quick question guys... can I take the whole thing apart with no worries about putting it back together?
is it just a case of meshing it all back as it was or will i need special tools to put it together? like to balance something?

[PGSigns]

It will take more than the shim missing to get a 1/4" of movement you have in that axle. What you need to put it together will depend on what you find.
Jimmy

[[JP]]

I better crack on with this and find time to work on it!
There's a big swapmeet over here on the 20th this month, I've never been but apparently is the place to be if you want american car parts...

I keep thinking of what it felt like, and it felt like a wheel going wobbly or something like that.
I couldnt hear like crunches and clunks, well, the only clunks was when it started to wobble about.

So Im thinking, if I dont find anything massively wrong with the axle, I'll put it back together and then take for a spin.
I still have the ridiculously big 18s and 20s on the back, should have a set of 15s next week (just waiting for someone elses truck to arrive from california with the rims on), thinking of fitting those 15s and then try it out.

[PGSigns]

Wash off the part that you found in the housing. Then take a good close up picture. What I am looking to see is the color better. Color tells me how much heat it saw while it was going bad. One more thing is talk about your wheels. In a lot of cases the late model wheels wont fit these trucks correctly. The stub on the end of the axle that the brake drum fits over is to big to fit correctly into many wheels. Just one more thing on you quest for the shake.
Jimmy

[[JP]]

there's no discoloration on the part, I checked that yesterday, its just plain metal, thin and just those rubbing marks on it.

basically when the shake happened I was very close to home, probably drove around 300 yards at maybe 20 mph..

[PGSigns]

The color of it now and the condition are a result of heat. You dont do that to a piece of steel with out it.
Jimmy