Super Duper Haggis Hauler II - The Resurrection

[mjh1965]

I am doing the same as you at the moment , getting the doors and fenders all lined up . These old trucks do test us that's for sure

[ibrown50]

Gaps and panel fit are looking good Bill, nice work

[MacQuigley]

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

You do good work with that welder.

Cheers. Finally found a good use for old welding rods. They give a nice straight edge to the door edge

[MacQuigley]

Originally Posted by mjh1965

These old trucks do test us that's for sure

You have a gift for understatement Martin!

Need to get this finished this weekend and get the door and fender into the garage for painting. Its already getting too cold outside for this kind of work.

Think I'll switch to plumbing and electrics over the winter and a test fit of all the new bed panels and fenders BEFORE I paint them!

[MacQuigley]

Originally Posted by ibrown50

Gaps and panel fit are looking good Bill, nice work

Cheers Ian. Still a few sanding, filling, sanding reps to go through yet before they are the way I want them!

[MacQuigley]

Its taken a while but that's the door and fender edges matching now.




But its now getting to cold and definitely too dark to work outside at night so the door, fender and quarter panel are now in the garage for finishing and painting.

Also decided to put the radiator in tonight. Fed up falling over it on the workshop and there is more likelihood I damage it in there than in the truck where its supposed to be!



Not a lot of space in there. Looks like I need a LARGE push fan on the outside.

[ibrown50]

Not a lot of room indeed, well you will go fitting these big blocks door and fender gap has turned out well

[MacQuigley]

What is the saying "there is no substitute for cubic inches"!

Ive found a 15.5" push fan that should fit (and that was with the first supplier - still others to check). Only concern is it may stick out a little far but in fact I have 50ish mm that I can push the fan into the engine bay is necessary though I don't think it will be.

Gaps are good but I hope I can get everything back in that position and I'm worried that the build up of paint may cause problems - its that tight!

[MacQuigley]

BTW anyone know what this is off because I just cant remember!

[ibrown50]

The big challenge you'll have is generating enough CFM to cool that big block, pull fans work best and even better with a shroud. push fans are generally less effective. I've a 17" on mine rated at between 2500 and 3000 CFM it's in a full shroud so i'm hoping it's nearer the top figure. I would think you'll need 4000+ for a big block. Buy a good make too (like SPAL for instance) most cheap chinese stuff makes nowhere near its stated CFM.

This is one situation where size really does matter both radiator and fan.

[MacQuigley]

That's good info Ian, thanks. I know little about fans or their size requirements so this gives me something to go with.

I had a look at it tonight and I can get a 15" fan in but that's about it, possibly 16 at a squeeze but there is no room to move the engine back further. It is literally as far back as I dare take it.

Need to have a wee look on here and see if there are any links to others and how their cooled their big blocks!

[MacQuigley]

Not a good first search. The most Demon Tweeks list for a 16" SPAL fan is 1918CFM and that's a pull fan. Good news is there isn't much difference between their pull and push.

The search continues!

Option Blades Air Flow CFM Overall Ø Depth Blade Style
Option 1 4.5" x 5 Pulls Air 148 109mm 47mm Straight
Option 2 4.5" x 5 Blows Air 124 109mm 47mm Straight
Option 3 5.2" x 5 Pulls Air 342 140mm 58mm Straight
Option 4 5.2" x 5 Blows Air 307 140mm 58mm Straight
Option 5 5.5" x 5 Pulls Air 360 154mm 98mm Straight
Option 6 5.5" x 5 Blows Air 348 154mm 98mm Straight
Option 7 6.5" x 7 Pulls Air 319 184mm 59mm Curved
Option 8 6.5" x 7 Blows Air 319 184mm 59mm Curved
Option 9 7.5" x 10 Blows Air 407 209mm 52mm Straight
Option 10 9" x 5 Pulls Air 755 248mm 96mm Straight
Option 11 9" x 10 Pulls Air 625 246mm 52mm Curved
Option 12 9" x 10 Blows Air 637 246mm 52mm Curved
Option 13 10" x 10 Pulls Air 802 284mm 52mm Curved
Option 14 10" x 10 Blows Air 844 284mm 52mm Curved
Option 15 11" x 10 Pulls Air 779 310mm 52mm Curved
Option 16 11" x 10 Blows Air 832 310mm 52mm Curved
Option 17 12" x 10 Pulls Air 1328 335mm 62mm Curved
Option 18 12" x 10 Blows Air 1292 335mm 62mm Curved
Option 19 12" x 5 Pulls Air 1640 330mm 98mm Straight
Option 20 12" x 5 Blows Air 1687 330mm 98mm Straight
Option 21 13" x 10 Pulls Air 962 361mm 52mm Straight
Option 22 16" x 10 Pulls Air 1918 412mm 88mm Straight

[MacQuigley]

I reckon I can fit 2 15" SPAL, one sucking and one blowing. There is just enough space to fit one inside, though I may need to remove the ally cap on the electric water pump and replace it with the original to gain a bit of space. The SPAL fans are only 51.1mm deep and I think I can get that in.

Only thing even with 2 fitted, one pulling and one pushing that's still only a combined 2177 cfm.

I'll need to see if I can find out what my dad had on the engine when it was in his Cobra.

[Captainfab]

On my '66 Suburban with a big block I used two 12" puller fans side by side. They were the highest cfm I could find at the time.

[MacQuigley]

Definitely no space for 2 12" fans but I could get 2 10" in. Possibly 2 pulling and 2 blowing. That would get me about 3000-3500 cfm.

[MacQuigley]

Something else that I need to do to the front fender and that's fill the two centre fixing holes and reposition then.



In once case I can only see half the fixing in the inner fender and in the other its barely visible. Just another little job needing doing.

Not sure of the problems in the fender or inner fender, though none of the front fixings in the fender line up with those in the grill support.

[Captainfab]

That is a common issue with the aftermarket body panels. They all need reworked to be able to bolt them together. They don't just bolt together right out of the box.

Originally Posted by MacQuigley

Something else that I need to do to the front fender and that's fill the two centre fixing holes and reposition then.

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In once case I can only see half the fixing in the inner fender and in the other its barely visible. Just another little job needing doing.

Not sure of the problems in the fender or inner fender, though none of the front fixings in the fender line up with those in the grill support.

[MacQuigley]

I did expect to have to rework new panels but I don't think one has even come close to fitting. I cant believe its so hard to make replacement parts for old cars.

Its not just an issue with the US parts. Ive never had a part fit a UK car without some reworking.

[MacQuigley]

I think I may go with 2 of these:-

http://www.t7design.co.uk/products/r...ap7-c-57a.html

If these wont pull through enough air I can add the same in push or a single 16" pushing from the front.

2 10" pulling through are as much as I can get in I think, though there is one last thing I can try and that's stager them diagonally. That way I may be able to fit in 2 11" or 12".

Im not actually ready for these but I want to find the final position for the motor so I can fit the transmission mount in its final position and after I do that I cant move the engine to allow for the fans.

[ibrown50]

This one is only 2 1/2" deep and will push or pull. Claims to be 2150 CFM, it's good value if it is.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-CURVED-...53.m1438.l2649

[MacQuigley]

That may not be a bad option Ian. At that price what have I to lose really. I was out tonight sizing things up and I do have space to fit the two SPAL 10" or even 12" cape and corner but not side by side (Good use of 10" dining places if you ask me).






But I probably only have a max 70mm to the water pump etc. Now I can save some space there but I also don't have the engine in its final position. Its OK front to back but I need to raise the transmission meaning the alternator and PS pump pullies will come a fraction closer to the radiator. Think I'll still get away with 2.5" but it will be close.

[MacQuigley]

Anyway, today is my birthday And what did I get? A new welding mask - completely perfect!

So where did I go? Yes out to the garage where better (actually its also my youngest daughters birthday so nobody bothers about me anyway. Worse its my youngest sons birthday on Saturday! And he is 18 this year so double whammy! Dad is no longer important - anyway now I'm finished feeling sorry for myself (Not really) I'll get back on with my update).

So, now you see them:-



Going,



Going,



And now you don't.



Oh and as well as the welding mask I got these from the kids. Looking forward to trying them both out but can you guess which one will get first and the most use? Hint - it wont be Hugh's! They are not all bad my kids!



Now its time for a birthday drink. A mix from both side of the pond are in order I think. A couple of bottles of Bud and a fine malt from my homeland!

Happy days

[Captainfab]

Happy Birthday! A day late by the time you read this though.

I can relate to the kid and parent birthday.......I was born on my mother's 22nd birthday.

[MacQuigley]

Thanks John. At least that's it over for another year!

[MacQuigley]

So this weekend saw me back at the painting again.

Both the passenger side fender and quarter panel in epoxy then primer (oh and the rears both stone chipped).





Also got the transmission cross member remade. Wasn't happy with my first go so I redid it.

Although its not fitted yet it did allow me to put the engine in its final position and although I do have a little rearward movement possible its still very close to the radiator giving me potential issues with the fans.

So I thing I will get the mounting brackets on the radiator re positioned such that they are flush with the rear of the radiator. That will gain me a full 10mm, all I need.





To be honest the fitting of these mount is crap (not even on each side) and the angle of the mounts is not 90 degrees. All in all taking up vital space needed for that big rat motor - can not wait to fire that up for the first time!