Bilstien shock experiment $$

[Bent77]

Originally Posted by akart

Did ORD put you up to this. I messed w/nothing. Original truck frame and springs. 1974 K20 stock.All I wanted was smoother ride,furnished all the specs asked for a 2" lift which they recommended. ORD says that they checked my spring specs 100 times (really??) and I still have a 7" lift in the back and since they checked my specs 100 times they say they would send me the same springs. I am currently asking exactly what the specs for those spring are and am waiting for a reply. They have worn me down and I will just settle w/what I have. Just want shocks. Please understand that.

So you have 2” lift springs with a shackle flip?

How about some pictures?
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[obijuan]

Originally Posted by akart

Did ORD put you up to this. I messed w/nothing. Original truck frame and springs. 1974 K20 stock.All I wanted was smoother ride,furnished all the specs asked for a 2" lift which they recommended. ORD says that they checked my spring specs 100 times (really??) and I still have a 7" lift in the back and since they checked my specs 100 times they say they would send me the same springs. I am currently asking exactly what the specs for those spring are and am waiting for a reply. They have worn me down and I will just settle w/what I have. Just want shocks. Please understand that.

I wish I was swayed by them. I take donations Mr watson.

But in all seriousness I have probably built hundreds of these trucks professionally and for myself. Your information just doesn't make any sense.

[the_ocho]

Originally Posted by akart

Note the 2 post history. Looks like ORD is getting some fresh support. Maybe they can get more people to post.

Not so much supporting ORD, as much as opposing an arrogant and rude OP.

ORD as done a lot for the GM and offroad community, something went wrong with your situation but there is no need to be rude to the only company that will help you. Some things cant be left alone.

[brans72]

Again asking for pictures your not will to post up but your willing to bash ORD!!! No one is going to judge your truck!

There only trying to help you out and that takes a picture to see exactly what is going on with it!

ORD doesn't need to put people up against you as you claim! There is a Brotherhood that stands behind ORD quality and technical experience in the off road world!!!!

Be alot easier if you would just post some pictures up so you can move along with getting your truck right.

[akart]

Originally Posted by Bent77

So you have 2” lift springs with a shackle flip?

How about some pictures?
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No shackle flip just the ORD super shackles.

[akart]

Originally Posted by brans72

Again asking for pictures your not will to post up but your willing to bash ORD!!! No one is going to judge your truck!

There only trying to help you out and that takes a picture to see exactly what is going on with it!

ORD doesn't need to put people up against you as you claim! There is a Brotherhood that stands behind ORD quality and technical experience in the off road world!!!!

Be alot easier if you would just post some pictures up so you can move along with getting your truck right.

Okay I will take picture in a few days the next time I am at the truck so you can see where I had to drill new shock mount holes in the frame as low as possible for my shock to reach and have 1.5" down travel. Have Rancho 9000 shocks which were for stock and for up to a 2" lift. Not even close!!

[Zoomad75]

Something don't add up in your combo. 2" springs with a shackle flip would net 6" normally. The fact that you indicated you moved the shock mount down on the frame so they would reach would be a pretty clear red flag that the shocks are too short for the spring combination.

Mixing and matching gets very challenging with this stuff. ORD's combinations are proven. Watson is known throughout the industry for his specific squarebody suspension products. He's done the R&D with his own stuff.

A picture is totally worth a thousand words here. I'm pretty sure once the pics are up the problem should be able to be figured out.

[akart]

Originally Posted by Zoomad75

Something don't add up in your combo. 2" springs with a shackle flip would net 6" normally. The fact that you indicated you moved the shock mount down on the frame so they would reach would be a pretty clear red flag that the shocks are too short for the spring combination.

Mixing and matching gets very challenging with this stuff. ORD's combinations are proven. Watson is known throughout the industry for his specific squarebody suspension products. He's done the R&D with his own stuff.

A picture is totally worth a thousand words here. I'm pretty sure once the pics are up the problem should be able to be figured out.

Read my lips there is no shackle flip. Just there super shackle.Like a new heavy duty shackle to replace the original (no flip!!)
Will send pictures in a few days when I am next at my truck.

[nvrenuf]

Where did you buy the shocks?

You're complaining about the Rancho shocks and hating on ORD but didn't buy their Bilstiens. If you didn't buy the shocks from ORD then it seems like your issue is with someone else.

[akart]

Originally Posted by nvrenuf

Where did you buy the shocks?

You're complaining about the Rancho shocks and hating on ORD but didn't buy their Bilstiens. If you didn't buy the shocks from ORD then it seems like your issue is with someone else.

I need new shocks as the Ranchos don't fit w/this lift. I "am" trying to buy Bilstien shocks from ORD!!!!!! That is what this post is about, DA!! ORD wants to continue to go over and over the rear height problem which we have done before and I gave up. They win!! Picture to come.

[nvrenuf]

But you've complained about the fitment of the Ranchos (redrilling the frame, etc) in this thread all the while complaining about ORD.

Where did you buy the Ranchos?

If they did not come from ORD I think that should be clear. Also, if they did not come from ORD why aren't you complaining about that seller or Rancho in general since you said they are supposed to fit your size lift?

Or were these used shocks you already had?

I just think that in all fairness to ORD and the readers here, you should provide all of the info and not just pieces of info and a biased opinion (because you're mad).

[akart]

Originally Posted by nvrenuf

But you've complained about the fitment of the Ranchos (redrilling the frame, etc) in this thread all the while complaining about ORD.

Where did you buy the Ranchos?

If they did not come from ORD I think that should be clear. Also, if they did not come from ORD why aren't you complaining about that seller or Rancho in general since you said they are supposed to fit your size lift?

Or were these used shocks you already had?

I just think that in all fairness to ORD and the readers here, you should provide all of the info and not just pieces of info and a biased opinion (because you're mad).

After the lift the Rancho shocks in the rear don't fit.They should have because they are supposed to be good for a 2" lift. See photos and tell me if that looks like a 2" lift. The front shocks fit okay but the Bilstiens should fit better w/more up/down range.I "am" trying to buy Bilstien shocks from ORD>

[akart]

Originally Posted by nvrenuf

But you've complained about the fitment of the Ranchos (redrilling the frame, etc) in this thread all the while complaining about ORD.

Where did you buy the Ranchos?

If they did not come from ORD I think that should be clear. Also, if they did not come from ORD why aren't you complaining about that seller or Rancho in general since you said they are supposed to fit your size lift?

Or were these used shocks you already had?

I just think that in all fairness to ORD and the readers here, you should provide all of the info and not just pieces of info and a biased opinion (because you're mad).

I bought my Rancho shocks from Summit Racing using there fitment chart.They fit the original truck just fine. Had to compress 4" to install and had about 4" up/down. Fitment chart said good for stock to a 2" lift. Front shock fit but only had about 1.5" down travel. Rear not even close (see photos) I need new shocks and have decided to buy Bilstiens from ORD.Just trying to figure out rate

[Zoomad75]

Originally Posted by akart

Read my lips there is no shackle flip. Just there super shackle.Like a new heavy duty shackle to replace the original (no flip!!)
Will send pictures in a few days when I am next at my truck.

Dude, tone down on the agression a tad would you? Nobody is beating you up. We are all asking questions about the combination to try and help you sort out the problem.

Your clarification to my statement still don't make sense then. What spec did they go for the eye to eye length? Are they 52" or 56" springs? If they are 56" spings moving the rear sping hanger is the correct thing to do.

Don't forget that when installing lift springs, the amount of lift is based against stock springs without any wear/useage that will cause them to collapse or at minimum flatten out. So a 2" lift spring could net 3"-4" over an old sagged spring.

Also, you stated multiple times you've given up on figuring why the height is off and all you want is the right shocks. Am I right? Problem is getting the right shock is 100% dependant on knowing what height you are sitting on. So until that variable is locked down any shock choice is purely a guess. Don't matter who makes the suggestion either. It's why Watson is still asking questions about it. Same thing from the rest of us trying to help here.

Just trying to help. Like many have said once you post up some pics it should be easier to understand the problem.

[akart]

Originally Posted by Zoomad75

Dude, tone down on the agression a tad would you? Nobody is beating you up. We are all asking questions about the combination to try and help you sort out the problem.

Your clarification to my statement still don't make sense then. What spec did they go for the eye to eye length? Are they 52" or 56" springs? If they are 56" spings moving the rear sping hanger is the correct thing to do.

Don't forget that when installing lift springs, the amount of lift is based against stock springs without any wear/useage that will cause them to collapse or at minimum flatten out. So a 2" lift spring could net 3"-4" over an old sagged spring.

Also, you stated multiple times you've given up on figuring why the height is off and all you want is the right shocks. Am I right? Problem is getting the right shock is 100% dependant on knowing what height you are sitting on. So until that variable is locked down any shock choice is purely a guess. Don't matter who makes the suggestion either. It's why Watson is still asking questions about it. Same thing from the rest of us trying to help here.

Just trying to help. Like many have said once you post up some pics it should be easier to understand the problem.

I had 52" springs and the sent me 56" springs. So they told me to move the spring hanger but they were good enough to send me bolts and nuts. They claim I have the right springs so I don't know how the height can change. They did mention something about removing leaves form the pack at one time, but that is not going to happen. The height is what it is and that is what I plan to spec the shocks by. Pictures are posted. So what do you think,does that look like a 2" lift?

[Zoomad75]

Originally Posted by akart

I had 52" springs and the sent me 56" springs. So they told me to move the spring hanger but they were good enough to send me bolts and nuts. They claim I have the right springs so I don't know how the height can change. They did mention something about removing leaves form the pack at one time, but that is not going to happen. The height is what it is and that is what I plan to spec the shocks by. Pictures are posted. So what do you think,does that look like a 2" lift?

Unless I'm missing something using my phone to look at this right now I'm not seeing pics. Where are they posted? Not seeing any pics in this thread.

[brans72]

Ditto
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[akart]

Photos are on another thread. My first time posting photos and didn't get it on the original thread.

[Zoomad75]

http://http://67-72chevytrucks.com/v...d.php?t=758850

Here you go.

The heavy duty shackle is longer than stock, but in tension would actually lower the height. What I'm not sure of is the shackle angle, seems dead verticle. Some of the guys more knowledgeable than me on suspension geometry that have posted up should be able to get a better idea.

[RADustin]

are the springs supposed to be spring under and you have it setup spring over? netting 7" of lift??

You need 4-5 inches of travel in bump and droop. If you don't have this it will ride like crap and no matter the shock valving it will be terrible.

Take the shocks off and see if it rides softer. It'll be bouncy but should ride softer.

[akart]

Originally Posted by RADustin

are the springs supposed to be spring under and you have it setup spring over? netting 7" of lift??

You need 4-5 inches of travel in bump and droop. If you don't have this it will ride like crap and no matter the shock valving it will be terrible.

Take the shocks off and see if it rides softer. It'll be bouncy but should ride softer.

Springs go over the axle.

[RADustin]

that was my stab in the dark.

I know most deaver long travel springs are spring under.

good luck sir.

[CUCV2]

Double posting in this thread and the pic thread so you will see this.

You may want to check the thread stick out on the top bolt of the shackle. I have a 87 K30 with the stock shackle hanger and a ORD shackle similar to what you have. Initially, I mounted the top shackle bolt the same way but the stickout hit the shackle hanger in rotation. I flipped the bolt around so it would clear and all was fine. May have even used a stock one vs. a greasable unit for clearance.

[akart]

Originally Posted by Zoomad75

http://http://67-72chevytrucks.com/v...d.php?t=758850

Here you go.

The heavy duty shackle is longer than stock, but in tension would actually lower the height. What I'm not sure of is the shackle angle, seems dead verticle. Some of the guys more knowledgeable than me on suspension geometry that have posted up should be able to get a better idea.

Don't know if it is longer than stock but that is what ORD sent me. Sure I would like to hear more about shackle angle. Looked at quite a few to figure it out. ORD had me move the mount back 4" as the springs they sent were 56" and I had 52". Kind of a moot point because I am not going to move that spring mount again,no way,that was a bear. Thank you!

[Chulisohombre]

Pics definitely help but having a 7!inch lift that’s supposed to be 2 in its place isn’t going to work well. If you got the wrong spring length, why did you not exchange them instead of doing all that extra work? That would have been the easiest solution. Everything I have bought from ord has been spot on what was advertised. They will Make it correct or get you a fix hopefully. Their customer service has a great record from anything I’ve read. But like I said I’ve bought stuff and didn’t need them to fix anything. It was good to go. Good luck. Pics will definitely help to see what went wrong. When you get the chance.
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