72 k20 project

[jbclassix]

they don't call it weld porn for nothin

[ryanroo]

Originally Posted by RatRod68

is it weird if I get a chub looking at those welds?

hey man, whatever gets you going! haha

Originally Posted by Mattman2010

Not at all. Im jealous too.

i didnt show any pics of the nasty ones that are on the axle tubes. there was some dirt and paint i couldnt get with my grinder and a few of them looked like a thousand smashed assholes

[jbclassix]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

..... a few of them looked like a thousand smashed assholes

I don't want to know how you know what that looks like

[ryanroo]

[Dieselwrencher]

LMFAO! Nice work on it! Does your pan hard bracket block the axle vent, or is it going through the axle vent? While you're down there welding, do your self a favor and weld the axle tubes to the center housing. The plug welds that hold the tubes stock will shear off and the center carrier housing will rotate. I forgot to tell you this earlier.

[Mattman2010]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

i didnt show any pics of the nasty ones that are on the axle tubes. there was some dirt and paint i couldnt get with my grinder and a few of them looked like a thousand smashed assholes

Not sure how you know what that looks like... I can make my welds hold but I cant tend to make them look too pretty. Most of mine on the tank look like ****, but they are holding it together very well. My best welds for some reason seem to come out doing a vertical down type weld. Not sure why. They also tend to have big puddles in the middle of them... (no air in them tho, cause ive ground down some and they are solid)

This is probably my best weld on the tank... and it just holds a baffle.

[6BT 56]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

here it is bolted to the tranny mount. the rubber mount is pretty wasted. it leans to one side and hangs to the rear because of the weight of the steel. hopefully i can get autocad set up soon here at home so i can draw my own stuff and get it cut with some expediency. otherwise ill be waiting on the draftsman to continue and finish this as well as many other parts...



Anyone know of a poly trans. mount for a cummins? same mount as GM and jeep used from the mid 80s till the late 90s at least but i can't find one for the cummins or any other application

Ryan

Hi Ryan . Did you use this mount in the pic? I need to figure out what mount to use on mine . Any chance you know how far apart the bolts were on the trans side ? I need 4 in.

[RatRod68]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

While you're down there welding, do your self a favor and weld the axle tubes to the center housing. The plug welds that hold the tubes stock will shear off and the center carrier housing will rotate. I forgot to tell you this earlier.

This. I twisted the ones in my Ranger because of this. The ones on the Ex are welded on the ends, and it just twists the axle shafts now, not the tubes... I dunno if that is any better, but hey, at least the links don't break off!

[ryanroo]

Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

LMFAO! Nice work on it! Does your pan hard bracket block the axle vent, or is it going through the axle vent? While you're down there welding, do your self a favor and weld the axle tubes to the center housing. The plug welds that hold the tubes stock will shear off and the center carrier housing will rotate. I forgot to tell you this earlier.

it covered the vent, but i put a hole in it to allow the vent to escape.

**** sandwich. there is so much paint at **** in there now id be extra f'ed. plus it really needs to be done with the correct filler to weld the cast. that id have to do at work. maybe it will happen

Originally Posted by Mattman2010

Not sure how you know what that looks like... I can make my welds hold but I cant tend to make them look too pretty. Most of mine on the tank look like ****, but they are holding it together very well. My best welds for some reason seem to come out doing a vertical down type weld. Not sure why. They also tend to have big puddles in the middle of them... (no air in them tho, cause ive ground down some and they are solid)

vertical down always comes out nice. the gravity pulling the puddle makes it nice and uniform. unfortunately is is the least strong way to weld for the same reason. i do it all the time, but it can be risky if you dont have the heat to make sure it burns in. not sure what you mean by big puddles, but if you make sure the your stuff is extra clean you will be good.

Originally Posted by 6BT 56

Hi Ryan . Did you use this mount in the pic? I need to figure out what mount to use on mine . Any chance you know how far apart the bolts were on the trans side ? I need 4 in.

i did not use that mount. when i went to the nv4500 i fabbed a poly mount. there is a pic of it a few posts back.

i can measure the mounts i have for you. do you want the 47re, 47rh or the nv4500 stuff? the rubber part is all the same but the upper metal plate is different

Originally Posted by RatRod68

This. I twisted the ones in my Ranger because of this. The ones on the Ex are welded on the ends, and it just twists the axle shafts now, not the tubes... I dunno if that is any better, but hey, at least the links don't break off!

Jeez, i dont wanna! maybe when the bed is at body i will haul the housing to work and make a couple passes with the tig

[6BT 56]

Hi ryan. The main concern is that the holes where it bolts to the trans / T C adapter is 4 in c to c . The rest I can figure out from there. Im starting to lean towards the other Ryans comment that If I use the 90 dodge style orriginal mounts then I can get any where any time .

If you can see if any of your newer mounts are 4 in spaceing that would be a help tho.

Thanks.

[ryanroo]

So, the rubber mount is still bolted to a trans. the best measurements i could get are rough, but the top two bolts are something like 7 5/8" and the bottoms are like 4 3/4"

the bolts that hold the mount plate to the nv4500 are 4" these are the holes in the tailhousing. in the 2nd gens there is a stamped plat that bolts to the tail housing and the rubber mount bolts to that.

[6BT 56]

Thanks a lot Ryan. This will help me to decide what to do. I will spend some time under there tomorrow and do some head scratching . That mount is out of a 95 ish dodge ?

Thanks Again.

[ryanroo]

So, there is a plan cooking away for some compound turbos. when i get the primary i will start looking at the mounting and plumbing. one of the common issues with compounds is the fresh air inlet. it is commonly smashed right up against the oil filter. which is usually a pain in the back of your front to install/uninstall anyhow. and when you high-mount the a/c compressor the stock dodge one bashes into the filter. there is of course a 400$ aftermarket relocation kit available from destroked. WOW. there is a cummins part number($$$) that is about 100 bucks less that will probably work but im not sure without doing some reading. i was talking with Mr. Wrencher(usually how ideas start that leads to the destruction of a perfectly functional part) anyhow, this is the result. i can use whatever filter i want on the other end, i haven't decided what yet, but i will probably get something that uses the GM v8 filter. there are filters available for gm v8s that hold 2 qts of oil. that is monster filter.



a legitimate counter bored and faced SAE strait thread o-ring fitting boss. thats right, we are semi-pro.

i dont want to talk about the ****ty weld it was impossible to clean it enough while i was so impatient. also, for those who may question, it was welded on the inside of the plate as well to seal the the clean side from the dirty.

[mosesburb]

You *may* want to reconsider your thoughts of using a GM filter on that. If the two-quart Delco PF932/Wix 51794 is the style you are thinking of, I don't think they will flow enough oil for the Cummins. The inlet thread on a Dodge Cummins is 1"-16. The inlet on the 932/51794 is 13/16-16. That's obviously 3/16" right there, but keep in mind that almost all other Cummins 6BT applications use a filter thread larger than the Dodge application. The size escapes me right now, but it is a fair bit larger. I would recommend a filter head that accepts the standard Dodge size filter (Fleetguard LF16035 for the Strato-Pore media) if for no other reason than availability. You don't want a bastard filter that you have to special order prior to doing an oil change or can't find if a tragedy occurs......TRUST ME ON THAT ONE.........

Now, if you were considering a different 2qt GM filter with a large ID, just disregard this post.

[jbclassix]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

So this will be your out/in? any plans for additional cooling?? While you are looking at Remote oil filters, have you looked at any industrial applications? I know that Cummins Off Road engines use several different mounts that use filters that hold 2L.

Originally Posted by mosesburb

You *may* want to reconsider your thoughts of using a GM filter on that. If the two-quart Delco PF932/Wix 51794 is the style you are thinking of, I don't think they will flow enough oil for the Cummins. The inlet thread on a Dodge Cummins is 1"-16. The inlet on the 932/51794 is 13/16-16. That's obviously 3/16" right there, but keep in mind that almost all other Cummins 6BT applications use a filter thread larger than the Dodge application. The size escapes me right now, but it is a fair bit larger. I would recommend a filter head that accepts the standard Dodge size filter (Fleetguard LF16035 for the Strato-Pore media) if for no other reason than availability. You don't want a bastard filter that you have to special order prior to doing an oil change or can't find if a tragedy occurs......TRUST ME ON THAT ONE.........

Now, if you were considering a different 2qt GM filter with a large ID, just disregard this post.

Dodge cummins filters are easy to find? no one told any of the parts importers here! I had to go to two different stores just to buy enough oil to do ONE oil change in the Dodge before I went back to CO!

[ryanroo]

Originally Posted by mosesburb

You *may* want to reconsider your thoughts of using a GM filter on that. If the two-quart Delco PF932/Wix 51794 is the style you are thinking of, I don't think they will flow enough oil for the Cummins. The inlet thread on a Dodge Cummins is 1"-16. The inlet on the 932/51794 is 13/16-16. That's obviously 3/16" right there, but keep in mind that almost all other Cummins 6BT applications use a filter thread larger than the Dodge application. The size escapes me right now, but it is a fair bit larger. I would recommend a filter head that accepts the standard Dodge size filter (Fleetguard LF16035 for the Strato-Pore media) if for no other reason than availability. You don't want a bastard filter that you have to special order prior to doing an oil change or can't find if a tragedy occurs......TRUST ME ON THAT ONE.........

Now, if you were considering a different 2qt GM filter with a large ID, just disregard this post.

Funny you should mention that. after i made my post i was looking at different outlet sizes, and decided that i would probably either have to run the double filter remote head(if they are plumbed in parallel) or figure out something else. so then i did some quick research(fruitless as yet) on application for an 8.3 that used a remote mount filter so i could try to get the filter mount with a larger outlet filter. i stumbled on the amsoil bypass filter set ups and really like those. they are pre order filters, which i dont like per se, but i might do it anyhow and just order a half dozen filters at a time so i have them on hand. still not sure, but that is a hurdle i think i can clear pretty easily.

Originally Posted by jbclassix

So this will be your out/in? any plans for additional cooling?? While you are looking at Remote oil filters, have you looked at any industrial applications? I know that Cummins Off Road engines use several different mounts that use filters that hold 2L.
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Yes. the left port in the pic is the clean entering the engine and the right is the dirty going into the filter. i hammered the part together yesterday before a memorial service and didnt get home till later so i didnt have a chance to jump in feet first with my filter research. i was thinking about looking at some backhoes or such to see if any of those had a remote mount kit that i could snatch. no plans for cooling outside of the to and from lines. i am not terribly concerned with oil temp. the engine doesnt make that much heat, and holds a buttload of oil, so it should be fine. if i have the space i may add a single pass cooler inline just for some self assurance though.

[jbclassix]

On the am soil bypass kit if you went that way would you just eliminate the restrictor oriface? I have one on mine and it is mice other than availability. I do changes at 8k.
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[mosesburb]

Check school bus applications for a remote mount.
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[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by jbclassix

On the am soil bypass kit if you went that way would you just eliminate the restrictor oriface? I have one on mine and it is mice other than availability. I do changes at 8k.
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The problem with the amsoil is, it is just that. A By-pass filter. On mine I will use a stock filter once I find the correct head.

[Mattman2010]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

i was talking with Mr. Wrencher(usually how ideas start that leads to the destruction of a perfectly functional part)

That is usually what happens when you talk to that guy....

Looking good so far. You and the other ryan are putting bad ideas in my head. I want twins

[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by Mattman2010

That is usually what happens when you talk to that guy....

Looking good so far. You and the other ryan are putting bad ideas in my head. I want twins

[ryanroo]

Originally Posted by Mattman2010

That is usually what happens when you talk to that guy....

Looking good so far. You and the other ryan are putting bad ideas in my head. I want twins

my only recomendation is:

dont be a pansy. DO IT!

anyhow, i started making the filter mount. nice grainy pic of my chatter marks, but hey, i am just a stupid dirty welder

i need to order a tap for the bastard thread they use for the filter. and mill some flats in the OD. and cut in the ports.

[Mattman2010]

Originally Posted by ryanroo

my only recomendation is:

dont be a pansy. DO IT!

Ok I'll have dieselwrencher send me one and send the bill to you.
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[Dieselwrencher]

Originally Posted by Mattman2010

Ok I'll have dieselwrencher send me one and send the bill to you.
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LMAO! I do actually have one that may work for you. You want a pic to push you farther? Haha

[ryanroo]

better get him a pic.