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01-01-2016, 10:35 AM | #2 |
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Since FiTech is closed till Monday you really can't get much help from them till then.
Go spend time with your family and give this a fresh look when you get back, this can wait. I'll be looking online and seeing what others are saying on the cold start, I'm wondering if it's a setting internally that might be causing it. After all FiTech is in California and they probably don't get as cold as we do. You didn't have this issue when it was in the 50's did you? |
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O I have the 2 main cogs emails I will blow them up to get a response lol. Yes I need to spend time with family but this helps me take my mind off of everything that has happens this week. Thanks man. |
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the case? Same with the white screen? |
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01-01-2016, 10:53 AM | #5 |
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I've did a quick glance at the installation instructions and I don't see a ground wire.
Is there a ground wire or do they have it just grounding through the block? |
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Ray here.
When I was having the battery problem was the only time my screen went BLANK.....every time I tried to start it.. Low voltage..... has never happened again. Ray. |
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They don't have this grounding thorough the throttle body itself do they?
I imagine you have a none conductive gasket between the body and the intake, so the only ground it gets is through the "carb to intake" bolts. Which is basically electrically hampered by the powder coating they have on the throttle body.?. |
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Well, that's a ****ty ground.
Maybe (and this is a stretch) when it's cold the only areas that are making good "ground" have shrunk due to the cold and when it gets around 100 degrees it warms up and grows and makes contact (thermal dynamics). Everything moves when it comes to temperature, granted it may be only .001 but even a .001 can make a difference. You edited your post as I was typing The studs do have a good ground but the studs are threaded in to the intake. The throttle body coating could possibly not make electrical contact to the studs or not make a good enough one for the ECU. Again it is a stretch but it could be an issue. Last edited by swampbog; 01-01-2016 at 11:18 AM. |
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Ray here.
Went gray kind of.....And I hade my best bake your batty charger on it. and it spun over good.. The way I finally saw it was if my battery was any good I would not need a charger.. for more than a short time.... Ray. |
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I looked at some pics of the FiTech body and I do see none coated areas at the base where the studs go, or are they coted but in a clear only?
Is there only one area that is "non coated"? The few pics I saw it looks like only one area is bare. |
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Yep how mine is only 1 bare area. It has 2 but how mine bolts in it is only contacting 1 bare spot. I believe that may be why they said run a ground from the carb stud.
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No. I hooked the HEI module to a back carb stud and its is grounded. Also just checked the bare are it is getting ground also.
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Or could it still be a fuel issue. But the screen going white (or gray for Ray) kinda makes me think it's electrical somehow. Some of what I've been reading http://www.chevelles.com/forums/show...835633&page=10 Post 142 to 169 and it continues on with others stating no issues. And another who fiddle with the IAC and had 12V issues http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum...o=292259&rid=0 http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...-review-4.html Post 65 talking about ground issues with cold start Seems to be something with the 12V and ground. I still say try the direct wire for hot and ground and on the ground try all the studs just to put that to rest. We have a few more months of cold to get this figured out. Just what you wanted to hear, isn't it. |
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I looked at your video again, (it's one of the videos that popped up on a search) and I think I found a issue.
It's that damn clear air cleaner cover you have. The FiTech unit can see that it's crappy outside and it doesn't want to get out of bed. https://youtu.be/rfauqfN8m7c?t=18s |
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Ray here.
I'm done beating this horse after this...For it my not be your problem. Lets go back in time when Yamaha made the XS650 twins late 70s They would not e-start when cold unless the battery was less than two months old but would go off first kick.....when warm they fired rite up it drove me crazy and the customers weren't real happy.....The Ing.would not work over the draw of the starter.. I'm glad those days are over... Well its time to load my snowmobiles and go for a ride. You do have a kick starter...Well maybe a hand crank....just kidding.... Ray. OUT Last edited by ray1970; 01-01-2016 at 11:57 AM. |
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So I started to really think about what was going on here and I just remembered in the "Hot Rod to the rescue"section that a guy with a truck had a cold crank issue (Greg says he had to “crank it forever” to get the truck started ) with a 502hp ZZ502 big-block crate motor.....well after re-reading the last statement stood out and it was...(Im not saying you are wrong at all about your grounding) but a good read non the less................
4. Improper electrical grounds: “EFI systems don’t work properly if the grounds don’t go back to the battery’s Negative post.” Sensors operate under minute voltage variations, so any voltage fluctuations, resistance, or drop can introduce erroneous readings. Remember, the circuit’s ground-side is part of the total circuit length, and hence, contributes to resistance and voltage drop. A standard chassis-ground won’t cut it. .....at the end of the read was the top 4 EFI mistakes this was one.......here is the link to the article....................... http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...over-internet/ .....I hope this shines a light on something we are not seeing...Rod Im sorry for your family's lost at this time........God speed and good luck......
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Like I said i get to mess with yours to fix any problems when I finally get mine.
It's just me thinking of myself. Speaking of myself... Have you seen Holleys' new Hydra Mat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfE1v65fNZI I'm thinking of getting one for me or maybe even going to Tanks Inc fuel pump module http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/pa...prod/prd84.htm But I kinda like the idea of having the fuel pump externally mounted so if it goes bad on a trail I can easily replace it without dropping the tank. But the Hydra Mat isn't cheap either and they say 5-10 years before you should replace it depending on the dirtiness of the fuel and how often you drive it. Again dropping the tank to replace it. But if I cut an access panel in the floor I can do either easily. Oh and I'm running all PTFE line from tank to the EFI. |
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