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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Haven't checked with PB. I do have a local machine/fab shop that would be up to the task, just picked up a pair of widened wheels from him yesterday.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Clever thinking!
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Started planning the lower A-arm's layout on the shop floor. Need to figure out my ride height and tire size next so I can figure out how deep the air bag mount needs to be for it to be in it's proper range, and then I can figure out ball joint cup angles. The bag mount will actually be about 1/2" or 3/4" below normal so I can eventually use 1/8" aluminum plate spacers under the bag to fine tune the bag height/pressure at ride height. I'm probably going to swap to smaller bags since the D2600's are pretty tall at their minimum ride height (6"). I'd like for the rockers to be about 5" off the ground at ride height, and it'll be pushing it to get the D2600's to ride that low without collapsing them too much.
Also figured out how much the upper and lower ball joint needs to be moved forward to center the wheel in the fender opening, with 4 degrees more castor than stock (ending up around 7*). I wanted to push the wheel forward an inch, so the bottom ball joint has to go forward 1 3/8 and the top ball joint only moves forward 5/8". I'm pulling the ball joints inward 1" for more fender clearance with wider wheels; planning on running 18x10" or 20x10" up front with atleast 275 tread width. Shortening the arms 1" will also help with camber gain a little. On to the CAD drawings... (Concrete And Dirt). ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
You'd better hope the floor doesn't move.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
I got it taped in place!
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Looks like the x are wining in tic tac toe
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Very cool!
With all of the improvements and the dimensional changes you have in mind, those are going to be a trick set of control arms. Do you plan to modify an existing lower control arm, or do you plan to build a custom one? I'm thinking that you'll build a new design, probably out of steel plate. That's what I would do. I have a buddy who builds ultra trick ($$) high end off road race vehicles, and he builds all of his own control arms and beams. Absolute works of art. I was over at his shop a while back and snapped a picture of some stuff he had just finished welding. "Just a couple of simple brackets and and some limiter strap tabs", he said. ![]() I love fab work, and I'm really excited to see what you're going to come up with.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Mike's a pretty young guy (27 yrs old), but he's been welding since he was a teenager. Back when the Harley chopper scene was blowing up 10 years ago, he was getting his TIG training welding frames for Daytec, who also made frames for Atlas, Big Dog, and others. He always did mini trucks on the side, but moved on to hot rods and off-road stuff because he could show off his fabrication skills. As far as his secret, it's pretty basic. Use fresh, new clean metal whenever you can. I'm not sure what rods he likes to use, but he welds with a Miller Syncrowave, using a Miller torch head (water cooled, of course). I've been around lots of guys who Tig, and I like to watch their techniques. Some guys will light the arc and maintain a consistent foot pressure. Mike is constantly on and off the pedal, hitting it on every bead, like you do when you Tig weld aluminum. He gets in a good rhythm, and it shows in his bead spacing.
He's been doing a lot of double weave Tig'ing lately, I should get some pictures. Unreal. here's his Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Exile...64332900248369
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Feel some excellent fabrication in the making.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
I wish, might be awhile before I get back on the A-arms.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Ordered Cyro treated and slotted Stoptech's from Tire Rack but there's a 3-4 week wait before they'll be in stock. I like the look of slotted and drilled but drilled rotors will crack if they're used hard so that wouldn't work. OEM Caddy rotors were the same price but they have to be replaced every pad change, wasn't too thrilled about that. Stoptech has matching rear rotors available, and they should be more durable than oem parts. Also have to get the hubs fitted with 1/2" wheel studs and probably open up the rotors to fit the bigger studs too. Nothing on the front brakes are going to be out of the box parts at this point.
I hate that I'm not making any progress with the A-arms but I have been researching master cylinder bore sizes vs caliper piston area, pedal ratio, and pedal pressure vs pedal travel. I don't want a soft pedal; I can't stand getting in newer cars that stop with pedal travel instead of pedal pressure. Theres no pedal feel or feedback that way. I'll need to heel-toe downshift so a floppy/soft pedal won't let me keep steady pressure on the brakes while tipping the gas pedal with the same foot. Lots to consider to get it balanced front to back with a firm pedal but enough leverage with the bore size and pedal ratio to fully lock up the brakes without needing body-builder legs. I'm thinking that a good place to start is to measure how much pedal effort (in pounds) I'm comfortable with and see how much line pressure the calipers need to function properly. Been looking into Wilwood hanging pedal assemblies with triple master cylinders and an adjustable brake bias bar to tune the front/rear balance. Might be a tight fit to get it all under the dash. ![]()
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Might fit better with a bell crank set up. Are you planning on running stock gauges?
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Stock gauges and column.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Killer build! I used to Live in Sumter SC. I used to work with Mr Scrapes, he did most of the bags and hydro setups around there. Not sure if he's still around, I haven't been back there for almost 10 years...
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Rotors came in today. I weighed everything except the pads and caliper brackets (don't have those yet) to compare to the old disc conversion stuff. Wasn't expecting the bigger brakes to be lighter, but they'll shave about five pounds off each side. Not much overall, but it's all unsprung weight so it makes a bigger difference.
12" Disc Conversion Parts:
65 Pounds, 3.7 oz each side. New parts:
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Got to work on 'Locks a little yesterday. Got the rack and pinion bolted in and set the frame rails on 4x4" tubing. I want that to be the normal ride height, maybe slightly more if it scrapes too much. The lowest point on my '64 VW is 2.75 and it rarely bottoms out so I think 4" will be plenty.
![]() Mocked up the lower bag mount height with another 4x4" block, which leave the bag at 4.75". Is that compressed too much? The max compressed height is 2.8" aired out, but I can't find info on the minimum bag height at ride height. ![]() Also built a stand to work on the caliper brackets. It looks like one of the bolt holes in the spindle will line up already, and I'll only have to make a bracket for the bottom holes. ![]() I had to plug a leak in my sister's TBSS tire so while it was off I checked to see how well 20's with a decent size sidewall would fit... way too tall. I don't want rubber band sidewalls so it looks like I'll be doing 18's. ![]() And speaking of wheels, I ran across this picture of CCW classics in the perfect color- brushed translucent bronze. They're three pieced forged so they're light and they're relatively inexpensive compared to most other three piece forged wheels. Can be built in just about any size/offset and they can make sure that they'll clear the calipers without using spacers. ![]()
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How much air pressure will you be needing to maintain the 4.75" height? Will it be too soft, too hard? If you take a corner aggressively will you suffer from body roll? Depending on the driving situation, weight in the truck, freeway, in town, track, winding scenic road out in the country, that usually plays a big part in desired bag pressure. May have to adjust bag height to accomplish desired comfort in ride quality. I have this info bookmarked from 67c10rustbucket: Info I refer back to now and again. Quote:
I've read a few articles. Info you probably already know. http://www.ridetech.com/info/pressur...eight-control/ http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.c...rod/prd131.htm http://toplinehb.com/auto-repair/hig...ension-setups/ Not sure if any of this will help. Sure do have a truck load of cool stuff going on. Keep it up cause your build info is really helpful on my build. |
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
I'm no good for helping with the technical info, but I just wanted to say it's good to see you getting back on it.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Everything I have read about ride height and air bags, is the bag should be set at a height that is in the middle of the stoke fo the bag.
If the bag has a 2.5" compressed height and the max extended height is 12", then the bag at ride height should be close to 8.375". For a lot of the 2600# bags on the market that I have looked at, the ride height is between 6.5"-7.5".
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The mounts I made today will put it right around 6.75".
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