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**Gregski** · 07-14-2018, 08:32 PM

and here it is installed, fits like a glove

**Gregski** · 07-14-2018, 08:37 PM

next I removed and examined the speedo drive, these are color coded and correspond to a cheat sheet that shows you the number of gears / gear ratios etc.

it's so much easier to pop one out off the truck then having to crawl under it and leak gear oil so I decided to do it now

after I had it out and cleaned the plastic gear a bit I realized I could tell the color by just looking at the tip while it's installed but prior to the cleanup it was so black and dirty I couldn't tell what color it was, plus this way I could check it for brokerage and cracks etc.

those black O rings love to leak, so a trip to my local ACE Hardware store is in my future for some replacement generic thicker ones

**Gregski** · 07-14-2018, 08:40 PM

Next I transplanted the transmission mount and was again pleased that it bolted right up and just transferred over - thumbs up for sure

so far this is looking as an easy straight forward swap!

New Process NV833 overdrive manual transmission top

Saginaw Four Speed Manual transmission below it

(one lock washer decided to skip the photo shoot!)

**Gregski** · 07-14-2018, 08:43 PM

I realize this is boring, but like I said it's common Day 2 stuff, tons of work and not much to show for

Here I show you that the tail shaft yoke just transfers over as well, this is a dime a dozen TH350 yoke

also I would like to add that I wanted to replace the rear / tailshaft seal but none of the parts houses had them locally and although it appears to be the same one as for the TH350 (makes sense as the same yoke fits) it is being transferred from another store

**Gregski** · 07-14-2018, 08:45 PM

and that concluded Day 2 Festivities, yes some day I will work on a work bench and not the floor, that day will come!

**MikeB** · 07-14-2018, 09:27 PM

Good job Greg!

I'm not 100% sure, but a hardware store o-ring may not like gear lube. Wouldn't surprise me if your speedo housing fits lots of different GM transmissions, like Muncie and TH350. So you could probably pickup an o-ring from a trans shop.

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeB

Good job Greg!

I'm not 100% sure, but a hardware store o-ring may not like gear lube. Wouldn't surprise me if your speedo housing fits lots of different GM transmissions, like Muncie and TH350. So you could probably pickup an o-ring from a trans shop.

thanks for looking out bud, I will do some research on this, I appreciate it

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 09:57 AM

well it wasn't easy but I got her bolted up, I gotta be honest wichu at 46 years old I don't know how many more one man transmission swaps I got in me (minus a proper 4 post lift and a proper trans jack, ha ha)

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 09:59 AM

here I show you the trick I use to wiggle the transmission into final position once I lift it up with a jack

the stands and 2x4 work great with some tie downs, they only tipped over after it was already bolted up from all the fandangling, it's actually pretty sturdy otherwise

peace!

LeesTruk · 07-15-2018, 01:20 PM

Hmmmm… 46 and whining already!! Yeah, I've heard the story, "It takes all night to do what you used to do all night", too. But you know what? You get a little gear lube "in yer veins" and you won't quit wrenching. I'm 71, still playin' with my C10 (LSswap), and sure, you may need a little help from friends once in a while, but the smile on your face when the job is complete, is still the same no matter what your age.

**MikeB** · 07-15-2018, 05:09 PM

A few of us well-over-60 guys were reminiscing about the days when we could lie on our backs and "stab" a Saginaw or Muncie into the clutch & bellhousing without assistance or a jack. Hard to believe those transmissions have become so heavy over the years.

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeB

A few of us well-over-60 guys were reminiscing about the days when we could lie on our backs and "stab" a Saginaw or Muncie into the clutch & bellhousing without assistance or a jack. Hard to believe those transmissions have become so heavy over the years.

Man I swear up until about 45 I felt like a 20 year old, then as if somebody flipped a switch and my body started to break down, back, shoulder, knee now elbow, and don't get me wrong, I don't smoke, I eat clean and I exercise 6 days a week!

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeesTruk

I'm 71, still playin' with my C10 (LSswap), and sure, you may need a little help from friends once in a while, but the smile on your face when the job is complete, is still the same no matter what your age.

SUBSCRIBED, lol

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 06:15 PM

so moving on, hesitated a bit before I had to notch the trans tunnel a bit on this numbers matching, one of 1,365,487 built by all left handed workers, non convertible, non C pillar, factory AC delete trucks - so there goes the concours d'elegance

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 06:21 PM

alright so I'm lovin' the HURST Goose Neck shifter rod, or swan neck you get the idea nice an tall and swoopin' and plenty of clearance (both between the dash and the bench seat)

so I go to put the icing on the cake (aka the 4 speed shifter ball) and the thread on the rod is 3/8"-16 Coarse... but the thread on the darn ball is 1/2"-20 Fine... go figure nothin's easy

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 06:33 PM

so I jump in my Seven-Fo' and bust a quick one to Home Depot, but they are useless and don't have any 1/2"-20 bolts let alone adapters

so then I hit Pep Boys (always my last choice for anything) but they do have a decent hardware selection so I give them a try

that's where I buy this joke of a shifter ball that is so bad I return it the next day, but I just gotta show you what a piece it was...

it has no threads its some crazy universal slip on setup that slipped right off the first time I went to grab a gear, when I returned it the guy at the counter didn't even bat an eye just gave me my money back

**MikeB** · 07-15-2018, 09:15 PM

Here's a 4-speed ball with 3/8" thread:
https://www.amazon.com/White-Speed-S...54S2PBBGFJX48N

**Gregski** · 07-16-2018, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeB

Here's a 4-speed ball with 3/8" thread:
https://www.amazon.com/White-Speed-S...54S2PBBGFJX48N

Currently unavailable.
"We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

no worries I found one on eBay, bidding, fingers crossed

**MikeB** · 07-16-2018, 10:11 AM

Whoops!

I hope you win the bid w/o spending too much.

Hey, how about this?
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/06847388

**Gregski** · 07-17-2018, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeB

Whoops!

I hope you win the bid w/o spending too much.

Hey, how about this?
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/06847388

dang bro, you da man, I shall call you Radar

**Gregski** · 07-15-2018, 06:41 PM

is this dude for real?

**hatzie** · 07-15-2018, 07:40 PM

He's smokin something real good... LOL

That bullet speedometer driven gear carrier is the same as the TH350. Usually they're pretty worn out. They're bloody cheap.
The gears to tire size and axle ratio cheat sheets are in the parts books. The GM automobile parts books are on Ian Hardings' site GMPartsWiKi.com

**Gregski** · 07-16-2018, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatzie

That bullet speedometer driven gear carrier is the same as the TH350. Usually they're pretty worn out. They're bloody cheap.
The gears to tire size and axle ratio cheat sheets are in the parts books. The GM automobile parts books are on Ian Hardings' site GMPartsWiKi.com

As always, thank you OB1 Kenobi, ha ha

**Gregski** · 07-17-2018, 11:51 AM

so Pontiac Mike hooked me up with this handsome Mr. Gasket T handle, daddy likes, didn't quite dig it on my previous stick but it works on the goose neck

whacha all think?

**MikeB** · 07-17-2018, 01:18 PM

That'll work.

07-14-2018, 08:32 PM	#1
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty and here it is installed, fits like a glove Attached Images

07-14-2018, 08:37 PM	#2
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty next I removed and examined the speedo drive, these are color coded and correspond to a cheat sheet that shows you the number of gears / gear ratios etc. it's so much easier to pop one out off the truck then having to crawl under it and leak gear oil so I decided to do it now after I had it out and cleaned the plastic gear a bit I realized I could tell the color by just looking at the tip while it's installed but prior to the cleanup it was so black and dirty I couldn't tell what color it was, plus this way I could check it for brokerage and cracks etc. those black O rings love to leak, so a trip to my local ACE Hardware store is in my future for some replacement generic thicker ones Attached Images

07-14-2018, 08:40 PM	#3
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty Next I transplanted the transmission mount and was again pleased that it bolted right up and just transferred over - thumbs up for sure so far this is looking as an easy straight forward swap! New Process NV833 overdrive manual transmission top Saginaw Four Speed Manual transmission below it (one lock washer decided to skip the photo shoot!) Attached Images

07-14-2018, 08:43 PM	#4
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty I realize this is boring, but like I said it's common Day 2 stuff, tons of work and not much to show for Here I show you that the tail shaft yoke just transfers over as well, this is a dime a dozen TH350 yoke also I would like to add that I wanted to replace the rear / tailshaft seal but none of the parts houses had them locally and although it appears to be the same one as for the TH350 (makes sense as the same yoke fits) it is being transferred from another store Attached Images Last edited by Gregski; 07-15-2018 at 09:45 AM.

07-14-2018, 08:45 PM	#5
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty and that concluded Day 2 Festivities, yes some day I will work on a work bench and not the floor, that day will come!

07-14-2018, 09:27 PM	#6
MikeB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,563	Re: Restoring Rusty Good job Greg! I'm not 100% sure, but a hardware store o-ring may not like gear lube. Wouldn't surprise me if your speedo housing fits lots of different GM transmissions, like Muncie and TH350. So you could probably pickup an o-ring from a trans shop. __________________ Mike 1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes. 1982 C10 SWB -- sold 1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it! 1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming. Retired as a factory automation products salesman. Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop. Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!

07-15-2018, 09:57 AM	#8
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty well it wasn't easy but I got her bolted up, I gotta be honest wichu at 46 years old I don't know how many more one man transmission swaps I got in me (minus a proper 4 post lift and a proper trans jack, ha ha) Attached Images

07-15-2018, 09:59 AM	#9
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty here I show you the trick I use to wiggle the transmission into final position once I lift it up with a jack the stands and 2x4 work great with some tie downs, they only tipped over after it was already bolted up from all the fandangling, it's actually pretty sturdy otherwise peace! Attached Images

07-15-2018, 01:20 PM	#10
LeesTruk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Manchester, CT Posts: 433	Re: Restoring Rusty Hmmmm… 46 and whining already!! Yeah, I've heard the story, "It takes all night to do what you used to do all night", too. But you know what? You get a little gear lube "in yer veins" and you won't quit wrenching. I'm 71, still playin' with my C10 (LSswap), and sure, you may need a little help from friends once in a while, but the smile on your face when the job is complete, is still the same no matter what your age.

07-15-2018, 05:09 PM	#11
MikeB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,563	Re: Restoring Rusty A few of us well-over-60 guys were reminiscing about the days when we could lie on our backs and "stab" a Saginaw or Muncie into the clutch & bellhousing without assistance or a jack. Hard to believe those transmissions have become so heavy over the years. __________________ Mike 1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes. 1982 C10 SWB -- sold 1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it! 1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming. Retired as a factory automation products salesman. Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop. Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!

07-15-2018, 06:15 PM	#14
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty so moving on, hesitated a bit before I had to notch the trans tunnel a bit on this numbers matching, one of 1,365,487 built by all left handed workers, non convertible, non C pillar, factory AC delete trucks - so there goes the concours d'elegance Attached Images

07-15-2018, 06:21 PM	#15
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty alright so I'm lovin' the HURST Goose Neck shifter rod, or swan neck you get the idea nice an tall and swoopin' and plenty of clearance (both between the dash and the bench seat) so I go to put the icing on the cake (aka the 4 speed shifter ball) and the thread on the rod is 3/8"-16 Coarse... but the thread on the darn ball is 1/2"-20 Fine... go figure nothin's easy Attached Images Last edited by Gregski; 07-15-2018 at 06:28 PM.

07-15-2018, 06:33 PM	#16
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty so I jump in my Seven-Fo' and bust a quick one to Home Depot, but they are useless and don't have any 1/2"-20 bolts let alone adapters so then I hit Pep Boys (always my last choice for anything) but they do have a decent hardware selection so I give them a try that's where I buy this joke of a shifter ball that is so bad I return it the next day, but I just gotta show you what a piece it was... it has no threads its some crazy universal slip on setup that slipped right off the first time I went to grab a gear, when I returned it the guy at the counter didn't even bat an eye just gave me my money back Attached Images

07-15-2018, 09:15 PM	#17
MikeB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,563	Re: Restoring Rusty Here's a 4-speed ball with 3/8" thread: https://www.amazon.com/White-Speed-S...54S2PBBGFJX48N __________________ Mike 1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes. 1982 C10 SWB -- sold 1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it! 1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming. Retired as a factory automation products salesman. Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop. Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!

07-16-2018, 10:11 AM	#19
MikeB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,563	Re: Restoring Rusty Whoops! I hope you win the bid w/o spending too much. Hey, how about this? https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/06847388 __________________ Mike 1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes. 1982 C10 SWB -- sold 1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it! 1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming. Retired as a factory automation products salesman. Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop. Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!



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07-15-2018, 06:41 PM	#21
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty is this dude for real? Attached Images

07-15-2018, 07:40 PM	#22
hatzie Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wentworth, NH Posts: 4,975	Re: Restoring Rusty He's smokin something real good... LOL That bullet speedometer driven gear carrier is the same as the TH350. Usually they're pretty worn out. They're bloody cheap. The gears to tire size and axle ratio cheat sheets are in the parts books. The GM automobile parts books are on Ian Hardings' site GMPartsWiKi.com __________________ 1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD 1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD 1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD 1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD 1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD 1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD 2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500 2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263 2009 Impala SS LS4 V8 RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials... 1973-1991 GM Light Truck Service, Unit/Overhaul, Wiring Manuals, Parts Books and Some 1968-1999 GM Service Training textbooks in PDF 1988-1998 GMT400 CK service manual project 1988-1993 GMT400 CK parts books. 1967-1972 GM Light, Medium, & Heavy Truck Service Manuals in PDF Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions. And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful. Last edited by hatzie; 07-15-2018 at 07:50 PM.

07-17-2018, 11:51 AM	#24
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty so Pontiac Mike hooked me up with this handsome Mr. Gasket T handle, daddy likes, didn't quite dig it on my previous stick but it works on the goose neck whacha all think? Attached Images Last edited by Gregski; 07-17-2018 at 03:46 PM.

07-17-2018, 01:18 PM	#25
MikeB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 3,563	Re: Restoring Rusty That'll work. __________________ Mike 1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes. 1982 C10 SWB -- sold 1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it! 1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming. Retired as a factory automation products salesman. Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop. Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!

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