1976 Square "Simple Green"

[RodsGreen10]

Originally Posted by swampbog

Like I said i get to mess with yours to fix any problems when I finally get mine.
It's just me thinking of myself.

Speaking of myself...

Have you seen Holleys' new Hydra Mat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfE1v65fNZI
I'm thinking of getting one for me or maybe even going to Tanks Inc fuel pump module http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/pa...prod/prd84.htm
But I kinda like the idea of having the fuel pump externally mounted so if it goes bad on a trail I can easily replace it without dropping the tank.
But the Hydra Mat isn't cheap either and they say 5-10 years before you should replace it depending on the dirtiness of the fuel and how often you drive it. Again dropping the tank to replace it.
But if I cut an access panel in the floor I can do either easily.

Oh and I'm running all PTFE line from tank to the EFI.

Yep I saw that. Good choice on fuel line!!

[swampbog]

I have junction blocks in my Jeep, both for ground and 12V.
Because of that I think it has anything to do with the junction block. All the junction block does is act like a remote post for the battery, it's direct line to the battery.
I'm more leery on the ground, but I'm bias because that is usually the majority of the issues I run in to on my electrical problems on my Jeep. Hench why I have so many dedicated grounds

[RodsGreen10]

Originally Posted by swampbog

I have junction blocks in my Jeep, both for ground and 12V.
Because of that I think it has anything to do with the junction block. All the junction block does is act like a remote post for the battery, it's direct line to the battery.
I'm more leery on the ground, but I'm bias because that is usually the majority of the issues I run in to on my electrical problems on my Jeep. Hench why I have so many dedicated grounds

I like you more and more everyday lol. I hear ya man that is what I am leaning towards more now after reading some other posts from other users.

[swampbog]

Originally Posted by RodsGreen10

I like you more and more everyday lol. I hear ya man that is what I am leaning towards more now after reading some other posts from other users.

Aww, I'm kinda sweet on you too

[RodsGreen10]

Originally Posted by swampbog

Aww, I'm kinda sweet on you too

Lmfao!!

[ray1970]

Ray here.
In the name of science-color cones-nerve endings and the drugs we did in the 80s
What color is it.
1.black.
2.white.
3.gray.
4.After last night every things a blur ask me tomorrow.
5.Dude am color blind don't ask me this stuff.

Put my old battery back in with a charger.. it did start once but not twice.
Just showing how it went and after having one or two Sam Adams am just wasting a little time before I go home..

Ray.(it did go black one time)

[swampbog]

Originally Posted by ray1970

Ray here.
In the name of science-color cones-nerve endings and the drugs we did in the 80s
What color is it.
1.black.
2.white.
3.gray.
4.After last night every things a blur ask me tomorrow.
5.Dude am color blind don't ask me this stuff.

Put my old battery back in with a charger.. it did start once but not twice.
Just showing how it went and after having one or two Sam Adams am just wasting a little time before I go home..

Ray.(it did go black one time)

3 with a little 4 toss in

[RodsGreen10]

Mine is white like the FiTech writing on the handheld. Not that color.

[LostMy65]

Yes, the dedicated red wire and dedicated black wire going straight to the battery terminals on the other units are pretty heavy gauge wire.

[LostMy65]

Thank you again for this thread.
We've kinda wandered some, but all helpful information that will benefit many in the coming months.
I think once we all start getting our units around the end of January, we'll start building even more trouble shooting discussions.
.
On the topic of wiring, I ran across this somewhat related interesting read.
http://www.corvetteonline.com/tech-s...rancis-wiring/

[ray1970]

Ray here.
It goes black when the cables fall out...This is normal just put more zip ties on it....
I really need to get over that....

Ray..

[RUN GMC]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

On the topic of wiring, I ran across this somewhat related interesting read.
http://www.corvetteonline.com/tech-s...rancis-wiring/

Thanks for that was a very good read...............Im preparing go through wiring on my 98 GMC due to cranking issues.....gonna redo the battery cables and alternator wires first........

[ray1970]

Ray here.

Mine would stall about two minutes after I removed the charging cables at idle.

I don't think this has any thing to do with yours.. I believe you are stalling shortly after
the start?If it starts?

Im heading out back to swap body's than maybe the chip to see if mine idles better
After I take the **** battery back out...
Maybe I will do the chip first!
I really just need to go home......NOPE....wife is sewing don't want to even enter the house when that's happening.

Ray.

[LostMy65]

Anxiously waiting to see if the direct wires do the trick.

[RodsGreen10]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

Anxiously waiting to see if the direct wires do the trick.

It will be tomorrow evening.

[ray1970]

Ray here.
After 28 posts can I start calling you RG10 ?

But in all seriousness I have not read this thread post to post... I bore easily.
Have you done a voltage draw? to see if that's what your working against.
and not some built in problem..It can happen....

On the controller.....Not that's its the best meter for this.......
Go to large gauges... click down to battery voltage and bring that up....
Try to start it and see what you get..
you my have already done this...I don't know that it would mean anything. But what the hell.



Ray.

[RodsGreen10]

Originally Posted by ray1970

Ray here.
After 28 posts can I start calling you RG10 ?

But in all seriousness I have not read this thread post to post... I bore easily.
Have you done a voltage draw? to see if that's what your working against.
and not some built in problem..It can happen....

On the controller.....Not that's its the best meter for this.......
Go to large gauges... click down to battery voltage and bring that up....
Try to start it and see what you get..
you my have already done this...I don't know that it would mean anything. But what the hell.



Ray.

Yes you can.
And yes I have.
Short so you don't get bored. Lol.

[Crushkrew]

I really hope adding direct connections to the battery positive and ground solves your problem...

I am no electrical engineer and I know you are focused on the voltage. ...but the power formula P=IxV...tells us that even with an equal voltage of 10.5 volts at the starter and the distrobution block...that if the computer or injectors are not getting enough Power. ..watts...due to not being able to draw enough amps...then no go....looking at your diagram of how you have the positive wired...I am assuming that you are using a heavy cable to the starter and a light wire to the distribution block...and we all know that when cranking that the starter can draw hundreds of amps....and maybe that is not allowing the necessary Power to get to the distribution block...and maybe a direct connection to the battery will....

I keep trying to apply the old fire hose analogy..but can't seem to articulate it....just trying to help eliminate items with you....

I do recall when I was running am old powerjection system on another car...having similar issues that were solved when directly wired to batt + & -...

I hope it works for you (and the rest of us with units on order)...so you can stop pulling your hair out....

[ray1970]

Ray here.
Can you shorten up that last post i barely got to the end.

Ray.

[Crushkrew]

Originally Posted by ray1970

Ray here.
Can you shorten up that last post i barely got to the end.

Ray.

Sure...add wires...tell us if it works...

[RodsGreen10]

Originally Posted by Crushkrew

I really hope adding direct connections to the battery positive and ground solves your problem...

I am no electrical engineer and I know you are focused on the voltage. ...but the power formula P=IxV...tells us that even with an equal voltage of 10.5 volts at the starter and the distrobution block...that if the computer or injectors are not getting enough Power. ..watts...due to not being able to draw enough amps...then no go....looking at your diagram of how you have the positive wired...I am assuming that you are using a heavy cable to the starter and a light wire to the distribution block...and we all know that when cranking that the starter can draw hundreds of amps....and maybe that is not allowing the necessary Power to get to the distribution block...and maybe a direct connection to the battery will....

I keep trying to apply the old fire hose analogy..but can't seem to articulate it....just trying to help eliminate items with you....

I do recall when I was running am old powerjection system on another car...having similar issues that were solved when directly wired to batt + & -...

I hope it works for you (and the rest of us with units on order)...so you can stop pulling your hair out....

OHMs law lol taking me back. I will test it out. But I still think it is some bs that I have to buy a ground wire and ground it to the battery. The FiTech does not have a ground. They are counting on the system to ground out by the mounting studs. So as a added precaution they need to ad a dedicated ground wire in the system. As a customer I shouldn't have to be doing that. If I do this and it does not fix it man o man am I going to be ****ing mad as dammit!!!

[Crushkrew]

Originally Posted by RodsGreen10

OHMs law lol taking me back. I will test it out. But I still think it is some bs that I have to buy a ground wire and ground it to the battery. The FiTech does not have a ground. They are counting on the system to ground out by the mounting studs. So as a added precaution they need to ad a dedicated ground wire in the system. As a customer I shouldn't have to be doing that. If I do this and it does not fix it man o man am I going to be ****ing mad as dammit!!!

I would start with just stringing an extension for the positive to battery...then negative...??

[RodsGreen10]

I will test it tomorrow and let everyone know. I am getting tired of dealing with this. I want to move on to my next install my tranny. Then my c notch. Then interior. And maybe just maybe if every goes my way which it probably won't a supercharger hahaha!!

[RodsGreen10]

I will say this never had this much issue with a carb the MSD or the Holley. But with saying that I still like the FiTech the best out of all of them if I can get this ***** to fire up cold I will be golden.

[LostMy65]

A read on fuel line/hoses.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...ce-fuel-hoses/