1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project - Page 23 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

RockTonka · 02-24-2015, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuckDriver

Awesome!

Thanks CD!

We added some side lights into the headache rack gussets...gonna give us 360 degrees of light when we want!

RockTonka · 02-24-2015, 04:37 AM

As we continue to add weight to the back, the old rear springs keep flattening out. You can see the nose high stance in the first pic.

I spoke to a couple spring manufacturers and have plenty of options...except, we kinda need to have a realistic rear weight. That's not gonna happen until we get it closer to being done...still have a lot of weight to add with fuel tank, lift cylinder, and whatnot.

The short term solution for us was to add 3" lift blocks in back so we can continue building with a better idea of the angle of the dangle moving forward...rear driveline, new rear shocks (more on that in a couple days).

Instead of building new springs with overloads, we want to go with an air bag overload system. That way we can optimize spring design for vehicle weight and ride quality and not expected load capacity (i.e. crappy, stiff, ride)

So, that left a lot of frame brackets we didn't need anymore...held on by a couple dozen rivets.

Then that left a frame rail with a bunch of holes all over....so...

RockTonka · 02-24-2015, 04:54 AM

We had a bunch of holes to fill!

We pulled the rear and put the truck back on the lift to work through some frame mods we wanted to try.

First, we decided to go ahead and box the rear section of the frame between the spring hangers.

RockTonka · 02-24-2015, 05:12 AM

We're working through the passenger side frame rail first...this is going to take a few days to get done!!

With the frame boxed, we're gonna sink sections of pipe through it, ranging from 4" down to 2" along the length between spring hangers.

and weld those holes shut!

Kim57 · 02-24-2015, 09:19 AM

You guys are doing some real neat stuff to the truck.
The frame is going to be stout and really cool looking.
Kim

**Advanced Design** · 02-24-2015, 09:32 AM

Looks really good. Dumb question here...are the holes just to follow the theme of the build or will they serve some other purpose? Either way it looks very stout!

**Dieselwrencher** · 02-24-2015, 06:37 PM

Great work guys! It's looking great.

coops714x4 · 02-25-2015, 01:07 AM

really great work, I got a question do you plan on running the brake lines, wiring and air lines through the frame ? if so you might want to consider getting the hard lines in place first. keep up the good work, its gonna be cool. Coop

RockTonka · 02-25-2015, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim57

You guys are doing some real neat stuff to the truck.
The frame is going to be stout and really cool looking.
Kim

Thanks Kim!

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Originally Posted by Advanced Design

Looks really good. Dumb question here...are the holes just to follow the theme of the build or will they serve some other purpose? Either way it looks very stout!

Thank you AD! There are no dumb questions, and with us, there isn't always a legitimate reason we do things!

We mainly like the look, but the boxing and thru tubes will add substantial strength to that section of frame.

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Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

Great work guys! It's looking great.

Thanks DW!!

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Originally Posted by coops714x4

really great work, I got a question do you plan on running the brake lines, wiring and air lines through the frame ? if so you might want to consider getting the hard lines in place first. keep up the good work, its gonna be cool. Coop

Thanks Coop, we will run all the lines/wiring externally on the frame. I like visibility/access if there are any issues and wouldn't trust pre-ran lines/wiring subjected to the heat of the welding we're doing.

RockTonka · 02-26-2015, 02:53 AM

So, a bit of hole sawing (actually burned up one drill, had to go get another!), a bit of welding, a bit of smoothing, and the passenger side is done!

stersam · 02-26-2015, 02:58 AM

All of your guy's trucks are amazing. This and the Suburban are my favorite. I love the speed holes in the frame.

RockTonka · 02-26-2015, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stersam

All of your guy's trucks are amazing. This and the Suburban are my favorite. I love the speed holes in the frame.

Thanks stersam!! You have good taste...those two are my favorites also!!

**Advanced Design** · 02-26-2015, 08:16 AM

Now that is cool! Nice work guys.

Kim57 · 02-26-2015, 09:24 AM

Looks sweet.
Kim

**Dieselwrencher** · 02-26-2015, 05:00 PM

That looks awesome! Seeing that makes me think my 40 Ford's frame needs that treatment.

Baldeagle SR · 02-27-2015, 09:19 AM

That does look awesome. and it isn't even painted yet. Rich
my build
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=576185

RockTonka · 02-28-2015, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Advanced Design

Now that is cool! Nice work guys.

Thanks AD!

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Originally Posted by Kim57

Looks sweet.
Kim

Thank you, Kim.

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Originally Posted by Dieselwrencher

That looks awesome! Seeing that makes me think my 40 Ford's frame needs that treatment.

Thanks DW! You should do it!

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Originally Posted by Baldeagle SR

That does look awesome. and it isn't even painted yet. Rich

Ahhhh, paint...one of these days!

And the driver side is done...

Kim57 · 02-28-2015, 10:33 AM

Very cool looking.
Kim

ChuckDriver · 02-28-2015, 04:58 PM

I like that!

RockTonka · 03-02-2015, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim57

Very cool looking.
Kim

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Originally Posted by ChuckDriver

I like that!

Thanks y'all!

coops714x4 · 03-03-2015, 11:01 PM

man this truck is gonna be insane !!!! Coop

dyno · 03-04-2015, 12:04 AM

Love the frame mods. Awesome craftmanship!

RockTonka · 03-10-2015, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by coops714x4

man this truck is gonna be insane !!!! Coop

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Originally Posted by dyno

Love the frame mods. Awesome craftmanship!

Thanks!

Part of the reason we are reworking the rear of the truck is to make room for a custom 44 gal. tank we ordered from Aluminum Tank Industries, Inc about a month ago. Tank came in today

1985-GMC · 03-10-2015, 02:56 AM

Looks sweet! It should get you a few miles with that big block ;-)

RockTonka · 03-10-2015, 03:28 AM

Yea, just a bit farther than the stocker...

02-24-2015, 04:37 AM	#552
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,524	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project As we continue to add weight to the back, the old rear springs keep flattening out. You can see the nose high stance in the first pic. I spoke to a couple spring manufacturers and have plenty of options...except, we kinda need to have a realistic rear weight. That's not gonna happen until we get it closer to being done...still have a lot of weight to add with fuel tank, lift cylinder, and whatnot. The short term solution for us was to add 3" lift blocks in back so we can continue building with a better idea of the angle of the dangle moving forward...rear driveline, new rear shocks (more on that in a couple days). Instead of building new springs with overloads, we want to go with an air bag overload system. That way we can optimize spring design for vehicle weight and ride quality and not expected load capacity (i.e. crappy, stiff, ride) So, that left a lot of frame brackets we didn't need anymore...held on by a couple dozen rivets. Then that left a frame rail with a bunch of holes all over....so... Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

02-24-2015, 04:54 AM	#553
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,524	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project We had a bunch of holes to fill! We pulled the rear and put the truck back on the lift to work through some frame mods we wanted to try. First, we decided to go ahead and box the rear section of the frame between the spring hangers. Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

02-24-2015, 05:12 AM	#554
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,524	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project We're working through the passenger side frame rail first...this is going to take a few days to get done!! With the frame boxed, we're gonna sink sections of pipe through it, ranging from 4" down to 2" along the length between spring hangers. and weld those holes shut! Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

02-24-2015, 09:19 AM	#555
Kim57 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corona, California Posts: 7,998	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project You guys are doing some real neat stuff to the truck. The frame is going to be stout and really cool looking. Kim __________________ My build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=283107

02-24-2015, 09:32 AM	#556
Advanced Design Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oblong, Illinois Posts: 7,028	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Looks really good. Dumb question here...are the holes just to follow the theme of the build or will they serve some other purpose? Either way it looks very stout! __________________ Doug Advanced Design’s 1977 Blazer Build Advanced Design's '48 'Burb Build Mrs Advanced Design's '72 Suburban Advanced Design's 56 BelAir LS swap

02-24-2015, 06:37 PM	#557
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,139	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Great work guys! It's looking great. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

02-25-2015, 01:07 AM	#558
coops714x4 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cement Oklahoma Posts: 916	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project really great work, I got a question do you plan on running the brake lines, wiring and air lines through the frame ? if so you might want to consider getting the hard lines in place first. keep up the good work, its gonna be cool. Coop __________________ 1971 K20, Coop's beast (project) 1972 C30 wrecker, "Big Ernest" (SOLD) 1975 K5 Blazer (wife's toy) she got it in the divorce 2014 Street Glide Special 1983 K20 Big Block, auto (work horse)

02-26-2015, 02:53 AM	#560
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,524	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project So, a bit of hole sawing (actually burned up one drill, had to go get another!), a bit of welding, a bit of smoothing, and the passenger side is done! Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

02-26-2015, 02:58 AM	#561
stersam Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: aloha Posts: 44	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project All of your guy's trucks are amazing. This and the Suburban are my favorite. I love the speed holes in the frame.

02-26-2015, 08:16 AM	#563
Advanced Design Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oblong, Illinois Posts: 7,028	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Now that is cool! Nice work guys. __________________ Doug Advanced Design’s 1977 Blazer Build Advanced Design's '48 'Burb Build Mrs Advanced Design's '72 Suburban Advanced Design's 56 BelAir LS swap

02-26-2015, 09:24 AM	#564
Kim57 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corona, California Posts: 7,998	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Looks sweet. Kim __________________ My build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=283107

02-26-2015, 05:00 PM	#565
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,139	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project That looks awesome! Seeing that makes me think my 40 Ford's frame needs that treatment. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

02-27-2015, 09:19 AM	#566
Baldeagle SR Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Lakeside Ariz Posts: 445	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project That does look awesome. and it isn't even painted yet. Rich my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=576185

02-28-2015, 10:33 AM	#568
Kim57 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corona, California Posts: 7,998	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Very cool looking. Kim __________________ My build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=283107

02-28-2015, 04:58 PM	#569
ChuckDriver A320 Pilot/USAF Retired Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,629	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project I like that! __________________ JJ My 1957 build: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=334552 http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22037 Instagram - Chuckdriver57



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03-03-2015, 11:01 PM	#571
coops714x4 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cement Oklahoma Posts: 916	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project man this truck is gonna be insane !!!! Coop __________________ 1971 K20, Coop's beast (project) 1972 C30 wrecker, "Big Ernest" (SOLD) 1975 K5 Blazer (wife's toy) she got it in the divorce 2014 Street Glide Special 1983 K20 Big Block, auto (work horse)

03-04-2015, 12:04 AM	#572
dyno Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Middleton, Idaho Posts: 352	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Love the frame mods. Awesome craftmanship! __________________ "Built- not bought" 1958 GMC 150 4x4 in progress 1980 K20- Restored 1985 K3500 Flatbed 58 GMC 4x4 build thread: http://http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=557675

03-10-2015, 02:56 AM	#574
1985-GMC Chevy Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canyon Lake Texas Posts: 2,024	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Looks sweet! It should get you a few miles with that big block ;-) __________________ Tony 1985 GMC K2500 restoration Project: Rust, White & Blue 1989 Chevy R3500 CC Cummins & 4X4 swap some day... 1989 Burb (D60, 14BFF, 12V, NV4500, NP205, 37" tires in progress)

03-10-2015, 03:28 AM	#575
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,524	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Yea, just a bit farther than the stocker... __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

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