Our '66 Short Fleet Build

[TimE]

^^^Joe


(Hey Alan, do you know what time it is?- Go to bed!!!)

[4dranch]

Originally Posted by joe231

tune in tomorrow.......we will find out who fathered Consuela's love-child...and the local philanthropist will come back from the dead to find his wife in the arms of his brother

Joe, it sounds like a real show.
Do you work nights and off during the days??

[jason65]

What role does Joe play?

[joe231]

Originally Posted by Alan's Classic

Pay attention I mentioned Omni in post 518 I know it's just too much pressure.

oops.................

Originally Posted by TimE

^^^Joe


(Hey Alan, do you know what time it is?- Go to bed!!!)

Originally Posted by 4dranch

Joe, it sounds like a real show.
Do you work nights and off during the days??

Nope, but my mom was a soap opera junkie when i was a wee lad

Originally Posted by jason65

What role does Joe play?

i'll have the plead the 5th on this one......you will just have to tune in to find out......

[joe231]

Originally Posted by Alan's Classic

One quart is all you need. I sprayed all of my stuff and still haven't used a quart. I only put one good medium/wet coat on. I don't have the can with me or I'd tell you what they recommend. Seam sealer goes on over primer.

hey Alan, which activator did you use? we used the DP401LF and we barely had enough to do one coat on the cab

it says to put it on wet....we also had issues spraying it.....it says to use a 1.4mm-1.6mm gun tip, Scott had a 2.0mm and the DP was so thick it was hard to spray, we mixed 2:1 just like it said.....did you use something to thin it?
We also didn't realize that with the DP401LF you are supposed to mix it then wait 30 minutes before spraying, don't have to do that with the DP402LF. I hope it doesn't affect the integrity of the protection...

So I guess I'm going to get another quart and maybe try the DP402LF this time.
man, there are some hard to get to places on these cabs

[TimE]

Pics?

[jason65]

Yeah. Pics?

[Alan's Classic]

Originally Posted by joe231

hey Alan, which activator did you use? we used the DP401LF and we barely had enough to do one coat on the cab

it says to put it on wet....we also had issues spraying it.....it says to use a 1.4mm-1.6mm gun tip, Scott had a 2.0mm and the DP was so thick it was hard to spray, we mixed 2:1 just like it said.....did you use something to thin it?
We also didn't realize that with the DP401LF you are supposed to mix it then wait 30 minutes before spraying, don't have to do that with the DP402LF. I hope it doesn't affect the integrity of the protection...

So I guess I'm going to get another quart and maybe try the DP402LF this time.
man, there are some hard to get to places on these cabs

The stuff is at work. I took today off cause we ain't busy and I need some rest. Even though I can't stay out of the shop. I'll take a nap later. A 2.0 gun is like a water hose unless you turn the material adjustment down. Did you have yours wide open? What pressure were you spraying at? I'm still somewhat new to the DP 90. I sprayed it last year and a little on my dash here recently. I can't honestly remember how I mixed it. I do remember I didn't spray the areas I was going to replace. I probably got enough on to just cover everything. My thinking is a factory e coat on new cars isn't real thick. I can take a red scotch brite pad and scuff thru it pretty quick. I also knew I was going to epoxy prime everything once my metal and filler work was done. Hope this helps some. Maybe someone else with more experience can chime in with better advice.

[bosephus]

my nckname is Bo but some insist on calling me Bosephus so there you have it.As for the hank reference;probably closer to Hank Hill than to Hank williams jr! Anyway,hope you get that paint figured out.




Thanks Hank!! don't get it twisted...i'm far from a pro
i realize your name probably isn't Hank.....but i couldn't pass up the bosephus reference [/QUOTE]

[scotts62]

Originally Posted by Alan's Classic

The stuff is at work. I took today off cause we ain't busy and I need some rest. Even though I can't stay out of the shop. I'll take a nap later. A 2.0 gun is like a water hose unless you turn the material adjustment down. Did you have yours wide open? What pressure were you spraying at? I'm still somewhat new to the DP 90. I sprayed it last year and a little on my dash here recently. I can't honestly remember how I mixed it. I do remember I didn't spray the areas I was going to replace. I probably got enough on to just cover everything. My thinking is a factory e coat on new cars isn't real thick. I can take a red scotch brite pad and scuff thru it pretty quick. I also knew I was going to epoxy prime everything once my metal and filler work was done. Hope this helps some. Maybe someone else with more experience can chime in with better advice.

Sprayed it at 50psi instructions said from 40-60 so we split the difference, The stuff was like syrup when we poured it into the mixing cup, i figured the 2.0 tip would do ok since it was like a primer but it did no good at all so we had to reduce it just to get to even spray.
Sorry Joe id just figured id write him back.

[Alan's Classic]

Originally Posted by scotts62

Sprayed it at 50psi instructions said from 40-60 so we split the difference, The stuff was like syrup when we poured it into the mixing cup, i figured the 2.0 tip would do ok since it was like a primer but it did no good at all so we had to reduce it just to get to even spray.
Sorry Joe id just figured id write him back.

I'm not doubting ya'll, but I don't remember having any trouble. When I go to work tommorrow I'll check out what I sprayed and how it was mixed. The painter that introduced me to the product mixed it up while I was there. I'll check with him to see if/how he reduced it. From what ya'll are saying it diffenately needs reducing. Sorry for the confusion, just trying to help. Looks like I'm doing more hendering.

[scotts62]

Ok man thats cool, let us know. It was werid, it was like just pouring base/clear paint in a gun and trying to pray it without reducing and it was that bad. maybe bad quart.. i dont know.. i shook it really good too. Yeah let us know what you find out tomorrow, thanks

[joe231]

Yeah,what he said

[Alan's Classic]

Ok, I'm back at work. I took pix but can't upload at work. I used DP90LF and DP402LF. I will tell you that the painter here said he reduced it down to something that would spray good. He used TLAR method "That looks about right". That's why it went so far. I strongly urge you to talk to the people you got your paint from and see what they tell you. I sprayed my bedsides with it reduced down and the part sat outside for awhile in the weather and didn't rust except where I didn't get good coverage.

[Musclerodz]

Get a MSDS sheet and instruction sheet on how to properly apply it. 2.0 tip is WAY to big unless you are shooting Rustdefender or similar product. Which side of Norman are you on? Give me a call and maybe I can stop by this weekend and see what is going on.

[joe231]

Thanks Alan, i tried to get info from the place I got the paint.....they are an auto supply and don't seem to know much......I asked what I could use to thin it.....he told me the stuff that comes with it

Thanks Mike. I got the MSDS and instructions, it said 1.4-1.6mm and 40-60 psi....the one thing we missed was that with the DP401LF activator you are supposed to mix it then wait 30 minutes before spraying, oops. i got another quart of the DP90LF and this time got the DP402LF activator instead, no wait with it.
I live on the east-side of Norman, but the cab is in Tuttle at Scott's shop
you think it would work better with the suggested 1.4-1.6mm tip? it didn't hardly want to flow through the 2.0mm, but maybe that was due to us not waiting 30 min to spray it....

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by joe231

Thanks Alan, i tried to get info from the place I got the paint.....they are an auto supply and don't seem to know much......I asked what I could use to thin it.....he told me the stuff that comes with it

Thanks Mike. I got the MSDS and instructions, it said 1.4-1.6mm and 40-60 psi....the one thing we missed was that with the DP401LF activator you are supposed to mix it then wait 30 minutes before spraying, oops. i got another quart of the DP90LF and this time got the DP402LF activator instead, no wait with it.
I live on the east-side of Norman, but the cab is in Tuttle at Scott's shop
you think it would work better with the suggested 1.4-1.6mm tip? it didn't hardly want to flow through the 2.0mm, but maybe that was due to us not waiting 30 min to spray it....

You should not need a 2.0 tip and waiting 30 minutes won't change the viscosity that much. Are you sure there is not a reducer that also goes with it? 1.4-1.6 tip should be plenty. Are you going to shoot the cab again this weekend or when are you going to be there? I don't mind coming over, my work shop is in Washington, just south of both locations. Just let me know.

[joe231]

yeah, I've looked and PPG says not to reduce it, it will lower the corrosion protection.
I still have to talk to Scott, but hopefully he will be available tomorrow or Sunday. I will let you know when I find out.

I assume you have used the dupont metal conditioner....does it have phosphoric acid in it?

[scotts62]

Oh heck no!
So was it the wrong stuff? That's the reason why we used the 2.0 gun because it was so thick otherwise we would have used the 1.4..

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by joe231

yeah, I've looked and PPG says not to reduce it, it will lower the corrosion protection.
I still have to talk to Scott, but hopefully he will be available tomorrow or Sunday. I will let you know when I find out.

I assume you have used the dupont metal conditioner....does it have phosphoric acid in it?

All the metal conditioners/etch primers have phosphoric in them. I am not up on PPG products anymore, but if they say 1.4-1.6 tip, then it should not require a 2.0 tip to shoot. Did you ask the retailer about it?

[joe231]

I got it at Palace auto supply.....they either don't have a clue or don't care to help......I'm kicking myself for not biting the bullet and buying the dupont gallon......now since i have started with the DP, think I need to finish with it. found more info saying you can mix 2 parts primer, 1 part activator, and 1/2 part reducer to make it a sealer.....but if it is being applied as primer, no reducer..... also found lots info that we didn't have to do the metal cleaner/conditioner, with the blast, could have just wiped it down with wax and grease remover then shot the dp on it


I will be using dupont on the rest of the body and maybe the frame.....just due to the customer service

[4dranch]

Joe if anybody can figure this out and keep on chuggin, it's you. hope everything works out for. you only got two months before I take some good pictures of you guys cruzin across the bridge into Memphis..

[joe231]

[protrash64]

The last mix you mentioned was roughly how the primer was mixed that my friend and I did on my truck. I mixed it 2:1:1.

Im no expert by any means, but Im thinking it would be reduced for sure.

Is it a high build product??

[jason65]

When are we gonna get some pics? Any action shots?