Project "My Happy Mess"

[bundeber]

Oh I understand the reason for etch primer, if that's what you want to use. But, politely, I am not wrong, I just have a different method than you, I said I didn't see a reason, not that there wasn't a reason. This is basically the difference between old school painters, and new school painters. Etch bonds to the surface via a zink catalyzation. Much like cold galvinizing. I get the chemical reason. But you're basically doing that because the primer is NOT waterproof and the metal needs to be protected in case the paint gets chipped or scratched. However with a waterproof primer, the protection is the same. But let's just drop this conversation as you're not going to change your mind, and I'll not agree with you. I'm willing to accept that there are many ways to do this. From here on out, I'm not going to be a part of the paint discussion, I'll leave that to the paint and bodywork forum. Good luck on your build.

[litew8]

You were wrong, because like the others - you neglected to ask me first what products I intend to use. You came out and made an incorrect blanketing statement, which is factually incorrect. You said it yourself later on to correct yourself, "read your tech sheet".

You can describe it however you'd like, but the simple fact is you were wrong to come out and say what you did. Here's your very first sentence in your very first post:

Originally Posted by bundeber
Frankly, I agree with him, use either or the other, but not both. There's really no point in using epoxy if you're etching first.

I won't drop it because it is a part of my build.
You shouldn't be so quick to make comments if you are unsure.
Here, I'll post mine for everyone to read:

Note: Variprime® 615S™/625S™ should be primed or sealed within 16 hours for best performance.
http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/...19303_615S.pdf

If you went into the paint section and made the comments you did here initially, you'd get corrected all the same.

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[litew8]

I'll admit I don't know enough about the subject to reply to this statement, but it sounds like now you are suggesting that Epoxy primer is similar to Etching primer? I'll let someone more knowledgeable than myself try to decipher what it is you're saying below.

Etch bonds to the surface via a zink catalyzation. Much like cold galvinizing. I get the chemical reason. But you're basically doing that because the primer is NOT waterproof and the metal needs to be protected in case the paint gets chipped or scratched. However with a waterproof primer, the protection is the same.

P.S. Thanks for having this limited conversation, it helps educate those who intend to use DUPONT products differentiate the difference between what is right and what is wrong.

[litew8]

Hey man, I never asked for anyones opinion on what product to use, or how to go about using them.
I'm not the one out of line. The way we are doing it IS THE WAY it is suppose to be done, for the products we are going to use.
I didn't "persisted in berating" anyone. Go back and read what I wrong calmly and slowly. It was plain and simple, not angry.
Words don't carry emotion, but some chose to inject some where there isn't.
And I never said he was "wrong, wrong, wrong", The Fixer did - and 1/2 was directed towards the process described.
Like I said before, you might want to ask what products we intend to use FIRST before.

We know what we are doing.
Water under the bridge.

[wicky]

Wow didn't realize body work was so complicated ;-) lol
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[litew8]

wicky sup man!
I'll add color to the Pit Boss's picture later.

[bcutt]

I hope you write up a little tutorial on how to cut out rust and replace it with new metal..That last pic meeds more than Bondo...:-)
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[litew8]

meh, remember we're not aiming for perfection here.
It'll take another 20 years to break through
So far, throughout the entire truck, that little spot is the worst.

In this pic -



... you can see the rock chip covering along the bottom of the fender (dark brown).
We're considering redoing that along the bottom of fenders, doors and bedsides.
My driver's door had that stuff too.

[litew8]

err, sorry I need to practice waiting until after I've had my morning coffee before
replying. You're right bcutt, he's going to patch it first, then skim it with bondo.
Damn, feels like 100 degrees @ 11AM here (not global warming, which is trying to
become a global tax - more like a global scam).

Outside on a laptop, starting to clean up one of the doors a little more.

[litew8]

Forgot to mention, the factory/stock speaker still works!
Never been hooked up since I've owned the truck.

[litew8]

Radio update. Knobs for the radio were standard/black. The power/volume knob was busted off along the bottom during shipping. Seller is willing to give me a 10% credit on the purchase.

[litew8]

"Found another stamping on the tailgate. In the picture, the numbers are
right-side up, but on the tailgate - they are stamped up-side down on the
lower back, passenger side."

Driver's side, not passenger's.

[oldman3]

Nice looking truck....Jim

[chevy2racr]

you know that tailgate woulda looked great just how it was on my 71 lwb...

[litew8]

Thanks

chevy2racr, just for ^ comment, you get more tailgate pics
A couple more hours of work. Can't wait for this stint of work to be over with.
And I'm willing to bet, for how boring my pics have been lately, neither can you!


Tailgate finished, almost, I have a little on each end left




Took the handle/guts out and cleaned them up today. The screws broke
free after having to buy a #4 Phillips screwdriver. Damn For being
41 years old and never touched, we kicked their asses and they broke free




Just noticed, I missed one




Fenders pretty much finished (see a trend here ). Pic from the other day.




Yesterday, put the hoist to use
Remember when I first started to paint the frame of the truck and I intended
to use the hoist to spray the underside - but there were no pictures of that?
That's because my truck's frame is too skinny to fit on The Fixer's hoist

We could have modified it with some beams, but didn't. We are lazy
Anyway, here's the hood getting some attention. On the hoist, raised up a little
more than waist high.










Another stamp found. This is on the hood, driver's edge -
That's an awfully weak looking 3




Misc.

[litew8]

Body work and primer coming up next.

[oldman3]

Moving right along.....Jim

[litew8]

Just now seeing (diff. monitor) how bad my edit job is on the pic above.
I'll redo a version and post later.

[litew8]

Buona Pasqua tutti. (Happy Easter everyone.)

[litew8]

I was mistaken about the year for this truck, it's a 1941 not a 1946!

[Low Elco]

Gitche Gumee! Fixer's truck looks good.! I need a blast cabinet!

[Low Elco]

Sorry, man. It always seems to be a crap shoot.
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[litew8]

Hey Low Elco, my brother thanks you for the compliment. As for the crap shoot, we find it funny that they used a CRAP load of bondo. I never asked for that kind of body work and they did it quickly, in between my visits. They only put it on to cover-up their CRAP job. What I could not take pictures of successfully - are all the large DENTS they made on the driver's cab corner. I might be able to invert the picture to draw out the concave areas. I have a ton of pictures of that, and other stuff we've been doing lately and will try and post some later today.

[litew8]

This post contains DISTURBING graphics not suitable for
children or experienced auto body professionals. Please be advised what
you are about to see is the work of a body shop that performed work on
my truck. In prepping the truck for paint, we find some very awkward
workmanship and we are VERY DISSATISFIED.

I will NEVER again bring my truck to that establishment, nor will
I EVER refer anybody to them.

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The Fixer and I are prepping the cab for primer. To do so, we
need to sand the surface. One morning he begins to remove "the body
shop's" primer - due to it being what he calls "CHEAP CRAP". While sanding
the primer, the surprises begin to reveal themselves. The driver's cab corner
being the worse.

Lets start with pictures taken RIGHT BEFORE I took my truck home. These
shots were taken on the body shop's driveway - sitting waiting for me.
Take a long good look at this pictures!





Look at this picture, notice anything UNUSUAL about it?
I can't believe I didn't spot it before.




Now the stomach ulcers begin! The Fixer removing the "CHEAP CRAP"
find something even MORE SICKENING! Damn near ONE INCH of BONDO! WTF!???


Driver's side -





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Passenger's side -





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The mess left after removing it all. WTF!!!!!!







Now with all the CRAP removed, we see things even more DISTURBING!
Backside of passenger's cab corner is bowing inward.




Backside of driver's cab corner is all DENTED TO HELL!! Someone
got hammer happy and really F*CKED this one up and didn't know how to
fix it so they filled it in with A SH!T LOAD of bondo! WTF!!!!!!
The camera won't pick up the dents so I outlined the entire area.

Picture inverted




The further we go, the more CRAP WORKMANSHIP we find!
Look at their welds, they didn't even grind them down!

Speaking of grinding, my windshield is all F*CKED up NOW (after having
left the body shop), I've got tons of metal specks EMBEDED on the inside
the windshield. That's right, I've got metal from grinding melted into my
glass. My windshield is WORTHLESS NOW thanks to some
DUMB F*CKERS!




Look at this picture. Some DUMB F*CK bondo'd my trim holes up!




And look at this CRAP! Some IDIOT cut the rocker too short and left a gap!
Of course you couldn't see it because it was full of bondo! AS*HOLES!

Over on the passenger's side -




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My Brother (The Fixer) is a highly skilled craftsman in many fields,
especially body/paint work. The only reason why he didn't do this work to
my truck in the first place was due to another job and no time. My Brother
has since fixed all of these issues with little effort and I'll post pics up next.

I never asked the body shop to bondo the LIVING CRAP out of my truck.
All I wanted was the panels attached. They put all this crap bondo on in
between my visits, quickly covering up their POOR workmanship. Norwalk,
Iowa - PM me for their website address.

[oldman3]

Sorry for all the **** you are going through, I've seen a lot of this type of work. I've corrected more than I wanted to for friends that wanted to save a few bucks and went to the wrong places.....Jim