The Project Havoc....

[nuke1]

Originally Posted by bigguy69

what all do you have to change?

Heim joints on the rear suspension, that includes the trailing arms, boxed frame, e-brake cabel, side windows, better neutral sfety switch, supposedly the front glass, side reflectors, (i do not understand that one), and some other stuff. That is the start i believe.

Originally Posted by suville

James, if you havent already and I realize SEMA is lower 48 but you might get some insight and assistance from the reps within the organization that might be somewhat beneficial. It is the screamin sh--s that we builders have to divide our time between building and legislating or lobbing but it sounds like that may be the direction you need to pursue. I have no doubt with your skill level and exposure within the hot rod community you will have no problem in finding like minded hot rodders that will come together for the common cause. Alll that being said NEVER underestimate the power of "We The People" and if anyone does not believe or understand that just take a look at the current situation in the mid east ! Dont even get me started been fighin the "authorities" over motorcycle related issues and modifications since 1968 and still in the battle. Best wishes to ya my friend!

I do know about Sema and San, but have never quite understood how to contact them or go about getting their help, is there ways to do it, cause i know alot of ppl up here that are not happy with the way things are. Do you happen to know options for that, I am more than willing to open up my avenues. THanks

[nuke1]

I will be honest, I am at my last straw about this inspeciton crap, i build it good, strong and safe, they hit me on this piddle crap, heck over 3/4's of the vehicles on the road today are far worse than mine, have 600 times the miles on them and run worse. but NO, they hit me. it is depressing, i am not sure how i am gonna handle spring this year with no truck, could be bad. I just hope all works ou t and things go my way, I am currently in the process of selling stuff off out of my garage, and gonna sell one of my trucks that a friend gave me for a DD when i needed help the most, he told me to sell it and use the money for HAVOC, it is far more important that the other truck, Thanks Cory!!!!!! if I can do all this, i will have enought to redo the fram, and get it powdercoated!!!! things have a way of working out, but someone has a very strange sense of humor about it somedays. Oh well. nite guys.

[VA72C10]

Hope things work out well for you. Crazy times we live in....won't be long till it's that way in the US if people don't vote....or don't research before they vote...

[PHAT TONY]

I know it isn't the same, but, years ago I fixed a LIGHTLY wrote-off olds cutlass for myself; it failed the inspection because of a rock dent in a rear shock!!! It had 60k on it! You should've seen the pos the dude that failed my car was driving!
I've gotta go through an out of province inspection with my Blazer (from sask!), hope it goes less bumpy than your experience.

[noonzor]

just so very very very very wrong. as previously stated, there are SOO MANY pos' on the road today that have no place there. at an accident scene the other day, dude had bungee straps holding his hood in place, he calmly told us if he does over 60km/h it starts to lift....

and they come down on you... brutal. "WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT ACCEPT!!"

[suville]

James, we have a car show coming up this weekend in Boise and I am also in the process of assisting a returning Iraqi combat vet that two of our local LEO very wrongly abused and physically injured but I will go to work and see what I can find for you, I was a member of SEMA some years back. Hoss, Im a 63 year old Nam vet and very upset with the current state of affairs not only here in the USA but in your country too my youngest sis lives in Lethbridge and I lived in Bellingham for many years so Im much aware of the arbitrary so called rules, regulations and crap they stuff down our throats with no reasonable explanation other than "its the law" well fortunately again "We the People" do have options . I wont go into that here!

[Cid636]

SGI wants to ban ALL modifications to a vehicle, primarily because of those little 4 cylinder kids cars with the huge fart can muffler racing around on the streets. But the have not updated the Vehicle Equipment Regulations Act to reflect this, most of the things they are complaining about on your truck are covered in here.

http://www.publications.gov.sk.ca/details.cfm?p=1588

I can't believe some of the things they want you to change!! The boxed frame? Page 29 of their own vehicle equipment regulations state that modifications to the frame of vintage vehicles is allowed as long as it properly supports the vehicle and its load without distortion. How is boxing the frame affecting this? The original frame hardly supports these trucks without distortion!

Side markers are not required prior to January 1, 1972. And there is nothing about DOT approved fuel cells either. Anyway its pretty much all covered maybe SGI should look at this as whoever is complaining about your truck clearly hasn't.

There is a lot of crap on the road targeting safe vehicles like this that only see limited mileage anyway really sucks.

[Slick67]

James, as someone said to me recently, you have 80,000 friends backing you up!!!!! CHARGE!!!!!!!

[RCbowtie69]

I hate that you have to put up with this, i've seen your build,you have build a heak of a truck,good luck Keep on Truckin''

[nuke1]

Originally Posted by VA72C10

Hope things work out well for you. Crazy times we live in....won't be long till it's that way in the US if people don't vote....or don't research before they vote...

I would have to agree, all of us have sat idle for so long over our hobby < i think that it is time to get involved!

Originally Posted by PHAT TONY

I know it isn't the same, but, years ago I fixed a LIGHTLY wrote-off olds cutlass for myself; it failed the inspection because of a rock dent in a rear shock!!! It had 60k on it! You should've seen the pos the dude that failed my car was driving!
I've gotta go through an out of province inspection with my Blazer (from sask!), hope it goes less bumpy than your experience.

Thanks, and I agree, it depends on who is doing the inspection, but if i were to get pulled over again, which i will cause i work there, they will just do this again!

Originally Posted by noonzor

just so very very very very wrong. as previously stated, there are SOO MANY pos' on the road today that have no place there. at an accident scene the other day, dude had bungee straps holding his hood in place, he calmly told us if he does over 60km/h it starts to lift....

and they come down on you... brutal. "WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT ACCEPT!!"

Yup, I see it everyday also, but they never do anything about it, they HATE us the ppl that want to better our vehicles, make them safer, and enjoy our hobby, they do not car that we are not out and ab out drinking and driving!!!!

Originally Posted by suville

James, we have a car show coming up this weekend in Boise and I am also in the process of assisting a returning Iraqi combat vet that two of our local LEO very wrongly abused and physically injured but I will go to work and see what I can find for you, I was a member of SEMA some years back. Hoss, Im a 63 year old Nam vet and very upset with the current state of affairs not only here in the USA but in your country too my youngest sis lives in Lethbridge and I lived in Bellingham for many years so Im much aware of the arbitrary so called rules, regulations and crap they stuff down our throats with no reasonable explanation other than "its the law" well fortunately again "We the People" do have options . I wont go into that here!

THANK YOU!!! any help is appreciated!

Originally Posted by Cid636

SGI wants to ban ALL modifications to a vehicle, primarily because of those little 4 cylinder kids cars with the huge fart can muffler racing around on the streets. But the have not updated the Vehicle Equipment Regulations Act to reflect this, most of the things they are complaining about on your truck are covered in here.

http://www.publications.gov.sk.ca/details.cfm?p=1588

I can't believe some of the things they want you to change!! The boxed frame? Page 29 of their own vehicle equipment regulations state that modifications to the frame of vintage vehicles is allowed as long as it properly supports the vehicle and its load without distortion. How is boxing the frame affecting this? The original frame hardly supports these trucks without distortion!

Side markers are not required prior to January 1, 1972. And there is nothing about DOT approved fuel cells either. Anyway its pretty much all covered maybe SGI should look at this as whoever is complaining about your truck clearly hasn't.

There is a lot of crap on the road targeting safe vehicles like this that only see limited mileage anyway really sucks.

I have gone through all of that with them, they do not go by those printings, in fact they told me that it is over multiple pages and books, they could not pin point the exact [aragraph cause it was everyone, and not out in the open, nothin like taking it out of context!!! they do not even have a clue!!! it says this and they mean that, it all depends on their mood for the day. It even states that bluedots are DOT approved in modified vintage vehicles, but no where does it state that the only blue dot that they approve is from the taillamps of a 32 ford!!! talk about misconstrueing the books!!

Originally Posted by Slick67

James, as someone said to me recently, you have 80,000 friends backing you up!!!!! CHARGE!!!!!!!

I am getting there, just do not know where to start yet, still looking.

Originally Posted by RCbowtie69

I hate that you have to put up with this, i've seen your build,you have build a heak of a truck,good luck Keep on Truckin''

Thankyou, i hope all goes well.

[nuke1]

Just so everyone knows, that regulations act of 87, they DO NOT go by it, it is just there to kinda show some rules!!!! as a builder we honestly have no idea what we can and can not do, I have found out that they do not want us to do anything to our vehicles, well if that is the case i am gonna make them go to the dragstip and pull all of the race cars that are street legal off the road, and go to the car shows and pull alll of them off of the roads, they state that asa soon as a vehicle has been modified, and I take this as one little thing from stock that the vehicle now has to follow the safety standards of todays vehicles and pass the inspections, heck, half of our vehicles out there dod not even come close to what the new vehicles have on them for standards, does it kill them that we are trying to make them safer for the streets, what is gonna happen when all of us leave out vehicles in the garage and there is gonna be no more car shows becvause we are all scared of brining them out for fear of being pulled of of the roads, well there goes all those families sundays to go and do something and the general public has no idea why!! It kills me to work there and know that I have to abide by these J#rks that think they are god!!!! I try to do things to the best of my knowledge and the safest way possible, but for some reason that just kicks my arse!!!

Ok, in their regulation books it states that on vintage vehicles, windows must comply with a dot, ansi or otherwise safety glass, mine do both, but it does not say athe ansi on it, but it does say the safety tempered glass, what a load of bull, they want me to change my 600 dollar windows because of that, so I asked where do i get such windows, they had no reply, half of our old vehicles out there you can not get glass for now a days!!!

The side markers, they claim that as soon a s a vehicle has been modified it is no longer a vintage vehicle, therefore it now needs side markers or reflectors.

Frames, they say that they can be modified on a vintage vehicle, what they do not tell you is that as soon as you modify your existing frame, or build one, or build anything for the suspension, it is to go to an engineeering firm that can put it in their programs and certify that it is safe, I understand, but how about the average guy that can not afford $5000 dollars to do this!!!! yes 5 grand. And this engineering firm they use, isthe ony one they will accept, hmmm monopoly or something!!

Heim joints are not legal, you are allowed only bushings, crap, half of the drag cars out ther ehave them one and dirve around the street with them!!!

Funny thing is, when they went over my entire truck, the one thing that should be on it for safety reasons, is my e-brake cable, which i do not have.

They tried telling me that I needed a rear bumper, it states in their own books that trucks that pull under 10000 pounds do not require this, ie half tons.

I could go on and on, this is it for now, i will have more soon. Later guys.

[watahyahknow]

how far does youre work is removed from the stateline , and do they have the same rules there

the rules you describing sound a lot like wat we have here in the netherlands
i picked up the idea to make a twin of the truck but as stock as needed to comply to the rules and drive the modified one , its extencive but might be cheaper than wat you need to pay for modifying youre own truck to comply with the rules it doesnt need to be perfect just comply to the rules and have the same vin number (dont tell anyone its a secret)

[fbird68]

Hey James.
Sorry to hear that you have been singled out like this. Sounds like SGI is trying to make an example of you.
There is a lot of stuff like that going on in Manitoba as well and I have heard many stories.
All I can say is don't take it quietly. It's been stated here many times already but I have to say it as well, it sucks when we take a vehicle and upgrade it's structure drivetrain, safety systems etc. to exceed the mfg. of the time and then get slammed for it.
It's down right disheartening everytime I hear this.

Keep up the good fight.

Richard

[noonzor]

Originally Posted by fbird68

Hey James.
Sorry to hear that you have been singled out like this. Sounds like SGI is trying to make an example of you.
There is a lot of stuff like that going on in Manitoba as well and I have heard many stories.
All I can say is don't take it quietly. It's been stated here many times already but I have to say it as well, it sucks when we take a vehicle and upgrade it's structure drivetrain, safety systems etc. to exceed the mfg. of the time and then get slammed for it.
It's down right disheartening everytime I hear this.

Keep up the good fight.

Richard

x2

[Slick67]

FREAKIN RETARDS!!!! Communism at it's best.

[bigguy69]

[Cid636]

Heim joints aren't legal? I'm pretty sure there are kit cars that use those in their suspension, it looks to me like some of the Factory Five cars use them and they advertise them as they 'fully comply with Canadian law'.

Maybe you should register it as a 'kit truck', not a 68 GMC.

It's funny they say they don't use the vehicle standards act of 1987 even though it was just update in 2009, and can't cite the references for these 'other' regulations. One might almost think they're making it up as they go

[nuke1]

Thanks guys, i will keep fighting for us, no worries there, I just found a place today that will make me DOT approved side windows that are compliant, for 200 bucks, not bad, and tinted BLACK!!! I do not care anymore. ANd btw Cid636, you just gave me some fighting amunnition, Factory Five Roadsters are legal in Canada, they pass all Canadian vehicle laws, and they use Heim Joints, Wahahahaha. Take that!!!

[watahyahknow]

Originally Posted by nuke1

Thanks guys, i will keep fighting for us, no worries there, I just found a place today that will make me DOT approved side windows that are compliant, for 200 bucks, not bad, and tinted BLACK!!! I do not care anymore. ANd btw Cid636, you just gave me some fighting amunnition, Factory Five Roadsters are legal in Canada, they pass all Canadian vehicle laws, and they use Heim Joints, Wahahahaha. Take that!!!

did they quoted the rules out of the rulebook ? if so a copy of it might be nice , rules can be interpreted in different ways and that might help you in courth should it come that far
in the netherlands we have an organisation above the one that does the aprovals and checkups you can take youre complaints too if you think you been treated unfair (like they say the shocks are worm so they can make money mounting new ones while you know there only 2 months old ), they allso do inspections at the garages doing the yearly checkup of the car (safety thing here checking for steeringslack shocks brakes ligths and stuff like that ) to see if there corrupt or slacking on the job in favor of more checkups a day

[nuke1]

Originally Posted by watahyahknow

did they quoted the rules out of the rulebook ? if so a copy of it might be nice , rules can be interpreted in different ways and that might help you in courth should it come that far
in the netherlands we have an organisation above the one that does the aprovals and checkups you can take youre complaints too if you think you been treated unfair (like they say the shocks are worm so they can make money mounting new ones while you know there only 2 months old ), they allso do inspections at the garages doing the yearly checkup of the car (safety thing here checking for steeringslack shocks brakes ligths and stuff like that ) to see if there corrupt or slacking on the job in favor of more checkups a day

I agree with the rules in the rule book, he could not tell me exactly where they were in it. I am pressing one issue at a time now. Slowly but surely This will get solved. I forgot that we also have a FAIR PRACTICES OFFICE here, I am gonna contact them once my avenues are exhausted here in the office as I do not want to step on too many toes, I do work here. But unfair is unfair, I agree!!

[propanemudtruck]

Go get em nuke! That truck is well built through and through!

[68 Quad C10]

Originally Posted by propanemudtruck

Go get em nuke! That truck is well built through and through!

I agree!!

[Kerry P]

I can't believe it. Just went through this entire thread. I did not expect it to go the way of "DIRTY MARY CRAZY LARRY". Just when it looks like you've won, a train wreck. I hope you can work out the inspection issues. Havoc is too special to get sidelines by a bunch of Barney Fifes.

Kerry P

[chevyndn]

i think they are just mad that you actually thought ahead on your build and was trying to make it safer. but i hate the whole double standards crud. just keep your head up, and keep us updated...

[RCbowtie69]

Thanks for the updates nuke1,keep on truckin''