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Old 03-06-2016, 09:22 PM   #701
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The pickup tube was upside down, which angled the filter so much the pump was suckin air.

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Open a free youtube account and post them there, then post the link in the thread.
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Old 03-07-2016, 02:54 PM   #702
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Glad to hear you got it all going..... enjoy!!!
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Old 03-07-2016, 03:37 PM   #703
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Glad to hear you got it all going..... enjoy!!!
Thanks man! And thank you for all your help along the way too. You guys really made this possible for me. I'm still reading ALOT and playing with the timing. From what I've read you want as much initial as you can get, and a little less mechanical in the distributor to get to you 34*-36*. That way you have better throttle response and you can turn your idle screw down and not have the carb so far open during idle that it smells rich and has crappy throttle response. That's what I've gathered so far. But I still need to know how to figure out how much mechanical is in the distributor
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Old 03-07-2016, 04:39 PM   #704
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I'm working on getting video up today. Man I can't believe what a difference that 2600 stall made! It's got so much more get up from a dead stop its unbelievable. You get tossed back in your seat from the stall, and then about 2500-3000 that cam just screams
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Old 03-07-2016, 04:55 PM   #705
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Funny story I thought I would add, took the truck for the very first drive yesterday and I had the timing set as good as I could with my knowledge. When I drove it out onto the main road it was running great and felt very very powerful much more power and torque than before. I drove it for about 25 minutes so I can watch the trans temp gauge and engine temp gauge and everything stayed nice and cool no matter how I drove it. The throttle response was pretty good and even when I was in third gear at low speed I could stomp it and it would pick up and go pretty good. But I started to notice as I drove it each time I hammer down on the throttle it ran different, slightly better each time. Well I decided to turn around and come home and there was a four way stop sign and I live out in the woods so there was nobody around and when I turned left as soon as I got straight I stomped it and the truck barely picked up speed at all, hit second gear still barely rolling but roasting tire, and hit third and it started to hook enough to take off but still roasting tire. I thought to myself man this is really cool it's almost like it's breaking in even more and getting more powerful, so I get home and I pop the hood make sure there's no leaks and a distributor is loose enough to move but not slide around all over the place. It was a pretty harmless and very instructional demonstration on just how much timing can make a truck run better or worse. That's when I spent the next two hours reading everything there is to know about timing and distributors lol by the time I was almost home I could be rolling in first and just stab the throttle and it would break loose, so I need to figure out the best timing for this truck because that was fun.

Hope you guys enjoyed my rookie story lol more to come I'm SURE
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:16 AM   #706
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Waiting for the rain to stop so I can get a video of the truck. Having trouble finding a lower radiator hose that has the right bends and angles too. During the break-in I used the old one but that hose is a little kinked on the frame and definetly restricting flow.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:29 AM   #707
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Take it for a good long drive once the radiator hose thing is straightened out. The tires were probably spinning as you shifted and screached into 2nd gear.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:23 AM   #708
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Take it for a good long drive once the radiator hose thing is straightened out. The tires were probably spinning as you shifted and screached into 2nd gear.
They sure were and I was smiling from ear to ear. It's weird to be driving something in total disbelief that you did it. I've been doing some very intense imaginable exposure at the military hospital I go to and this project has kept me afloat the whole time. All the small victories (figuring out firing orders, cam gear and crank gear placement, valve preload, ect) kept me going and all the help I got made it possible. It's not dialed in yet as far as timing but it will be. And the lower radiator hose will get figured out, and then I'm gonna enjoy this thing for a while and prepare to tackle the next part of the build because this thing needs suspension and brakes pretty bad. 4 wheels drums and stock suspension isn't going to cut it
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:51 AM   #709
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Glad you are enjoying the accomplishment. Onward we go to conquer new things in a positive way.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:49 AM   #710
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Check this.
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...EI_distributor

Also don't forget that after a few heat cycles you should get friendly with your torque wrench and check everything you torqued.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:54 PM   #711
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Check this.
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...EI_distributor

Also don't forget that after a few heat cycles you should get friendly with your torque wrench and check everything you torqued.
That picture is exactly the distributor I have. Lots of good reading there, I spent an hour on that website reading all about advance and vacuum
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:08 PM   #712
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Now that the board has brought you threw a partial engine build/trans help. You ready for the High end horse power/rear suspension rocket launch? I'm an old timer an (hope to learn something good) every day!!!
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:24 PM   #713
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Now that the board has brought you threw a partial engine build/trans help. You ready for the High end horse power/rear suspension rocket launch? I'm an old timer an (hope to learn something good) every day!!!
I`ve been messing with old cars and trucks for almost 30 yrs and I do learn something new every time I come to the forums. I`m fortunate to be able to help out when I can but I still find myself learning something.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:19 PM   #714
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Well it's not quite over yet, it keeps running up to 210 degrees when at idle. I've been playing with the timing and I've got 34* at 3000 RPM's, and 14* at idle so I don't think it's timing getting it hot anymore. Although when I took it out the other day for the first drive it wasn't getting hot like this.

The fans are 2500cfm, and it's not leaking any water. Is it possible that the stock radiator just can't do the job anymore? I've been looking at 3 core aluminum radiators and they aren't to bad on pricing at Champion.

Is there anything else that could be causing this? Maybe my alternator isn't kicking out enough power to run the fans all the way? My alternator is a 140 I believe. I really want to just drive the thing and enjoy it but it's not quite there yet.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:23 PM   #715
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Well it's not quite over yet, it keeps running up to 210 degrees when at idle. I've been playing with the timing and I've got 34* at 3000 RPM's, and 14* at idle so I don't think it's timing getting it hot anymore. Although when I took it out the other day for the first drive it wasn't getting hot like this.

The fans are 2500cfm, and it's not leaking any water. Is it possible that the stock radiator just can't do the job anymore? I've been looking at 3 core aluminum radiators and they aren't to bad on pricing at Champion.

Is there anything else that could be causing this? Maybe my alternator isn't kicking out enough power to run the fans all the way? My alternator is a 140 I believe. I really want to just drive the thing and enjoy it but it's not quite there yet.
Timing sounds decent. Could use a little more total but I think its close enough that its not causing the issue.

I hate to say it bud but I think its your electric fans. Do you have the original set up that you can put back on and see if that solves the problem? Did you have cooling issues before? What thermostat do you have in there? If all you changed was the fans I would start there. Compression and extra HP can build heat but my old 427 bbc didnt run that hot.
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Timing sounds decent. Could use a little more total but I think its close enough that its not causing the issue.

I hate to say it bud but I think its your electric fans. Do you have the original set up that you can put back on and see if that solves the problem? Did you have cooling issues before? What thermostat do you have in there? If all you changed was the fans I would start there. Compression and extra HP can build heat but my old 427 bbc didnt run that hot.
No cooling issues before but the old shroud was broke so I dumped it. It has a 160* thermostat, but no catch can which I've been reading could cause issues. It also has an 8lb rad cap, could be part of the problem.

My idle screw only goes to 3000 rpm so I'm going to have to have somebody in the cab reving to 4000 rpm just to be sure.

Also been told that engines will run a little hot while breaking in?
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No cooling issues before but the old shroud was broke so I dumped it. It has a 160* thermostat, but no catch can which I've been reading could cause issues. It also has an 8lb rad cap, could be part of the problem.

My idle screw only goes to 3000 rpm so I'm going to have to have somebody in the cab reving to 4000 rpm just to be sure.

Also been told that engines will run a little hot while breaking in?
You dont need to check it at 4000 rpms right now. Engines can run hot on break in but thats engine break in, not camshaft break in. Your engine was not fresh so you only needed to do the 20 minute camshaft break in.

I think the problem is your electric fans.
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You dont need to check it at 4000 rpms right now. Engines can run hot on break in but thats engine break in, not camshaft break in. Your engine was not fresh so you only needed to do the 20 minute camshaft break in.

I think the problem is your electric fans.
I really hope not. It was getting up to 210* even while cruising at 45mph here in the mountains where it's 55* out today. I'd like to think that means radiator and not fans is the issue. It's a pretty old radiator and definetly sat long enough during the build to get totally dry inside, so whatever buildup was in there got hard.

I'm going to get a overflow tank tomarrow and put that on in place of the hose that just goes to the ground and spews when it gets hot. Then I'll burp it the right way with coolant in the overflow tank and see if I can't get some air out of the engine.
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Old 03-09-2016, 10:46 PM   #719
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Also might spring for an aluminum 3 core just for peice of mind, I don't think my radiator holds enough water
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I really hope not. It was getting up to 210* even while cruising at 45mph here in the mountains where it's 55* out today. I'd like to think that means radiator and not fans is the issue. It's a pretty old radiator and definetly sat long enough during the build to get totally dry inside, so whatever buildup was in there got hard.

I'm going to get a overflow tank tomarrow and put that on in place of the hose that just goes to the ground and spews when it gets hot. Then I'll burp it the right way with coolant in the overflow tank and see if I can't get some air out of the engine.
If the radiator was doing the job before it's probably fine. Do you have the old fan you can reinstall?
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If the radiator was doing the job before it's probably fine. Do you have the old fan you can reinstall?
No I chucked it with the broken shroud.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:17 PM   #722
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Swap out that 160 stat.
At present it stays wide open and your coolant doesn't have enough retention time in the rad to cool properly.
You need a stat that closes a bit to impede flow.
Try a 195 first.
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Swap out that 160 stat.
At present it stays wide open and your coolant doesn't have enough retention time in the rad to cool properly.
You need a stat that closes a bit to impede flow.
Try a 195 first.
I'll grab one tomarrow along with a 16lb radiator cap.
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I just had a gut wrenching thought...what if it's a head gasket.
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Swap out that 160 stat.
At present it stays wide open and your coolant doesn't have enough retention time in the rad to cool properly.
You need a stat that closes a bit to impede flow.
Try a 195 first.
Gotta disagree on this, it's an old wives tale that coolant needs to somehow "linger" in the radiator. No restriction or t-stat is required for cooling, only for proper warmup and operation. It's not worth an argument unless someone is genuinely curious, but increasing the t-stat set point won't help it run cooler.
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