Unbelievable Request from a Baord Member.

[boraxman]

You know what, screw him, if he wanted the heads he should have paid by now. This wasnt even a deposit, it was a first payment. Payments dont come, you dont get prouduct, not only that but in the real world it would screw your credit. A true businessman would never give a dime back. If he cant afford it thats his problem. Dont buy stuff you cant pay for period.

I, by reading this thread will never take payments for anything.


Cash and carry.

[fine69]

Ok. I have been dealing with Chris for several years now. He even went out of his way to bring me a Dingo. And i couldnt beat the price i might add.
He is outstanding to deal with. Sounds like he has gone out of his way on this deal as well.
The point is, NO deal was made that the $100 was to be returned. For any reason. Tough crap.
Free money is AWESOME. I have had a couple times where i made some. He knew he owed Chris. He chose to ignore the situation.
Someone having hard times is not my problem. I have had them myself. However, i would be more than willing to work with someone.
It is called ASKING.
Hmmmm, Chris? Send me the $100 and get that money monkey off your back. I wont feel bad at all.

[Porkchop]

The money is yours.
If it were me, I would give it back because I am not heavy into selling parts and don't go through this as much as you guys. If you just happened to have those heads lying around and were just trying to get rid of them without too much concern for making a profit, then I would give the money back since you weren't concerned with the profit. However, if you were advertising, attempting to make a profit, and expecting that income, then I wouldn't give the money back. Since you say you have alot of transactions with people, then it sounds like you sell parts to make a little extra money. Therefore you are a business and you can't mess around with idiots who don't pay. By letting those heads sit, you lost out on alot of advertising time. You lost out on more than $100. If you let one person slide, then you'll have to let the next person slide. Don't give the money back.

I have tried to sell VW parts and some truck parts on the internet; its not a good experience and I wonder how all the venders here can handle it. I am so sick of all of the "dreamers" that request pictures, show interest, and even agree to buy the part, and then you never hear from them again. Buyers are very obnoxious people especially on the internet. I guess they figure since they aren't face to face, they can make and break agreements. People don't act the same way face to face as they do on the internet. Why is that? Because it takes more action to make a deal in real life than on the internet. On the internet, all you have to do is type "I want the part" and click "send". That's easy to back out on. If you back out on an internet deal, you know you will never have to talk to that person again.

And another thing, why is anyone making payments on a $400 part? Compared to living expenses, $400 is not alot of money, and if you don't have that little bit of money to make one full payment, then you need to be worrying about other things than performance upgrades on a truck. I am never going to take payments on things that aren't expensive. If a person wants to make payments on an inexpensive part, then chances are they will never have the money. If you are one of these people, why don't you just make payments to a jar under your bed, and when you have it all THEN contact the seller, otherwise you are only dreaming.

[rolson1039]

I really wasnt going to reply to this thread but lol the more i thought of it the more i felt the need to add my two cents.....
LOLOLYouve had his hundred dollars for nine months i think it should be refunded with interest i mean you could have invested it and made all kinds of money you coulda bet it on the dog at the track that did its business before the race and made a mint!! After refunding it with the interest i think you should send the boy the heads and intake GIFTWRAPPED with a big bow on it
that should make him very happy ( and it has about as much chance of happening as icicles in hell)LOLOLOL

Actually, Christopher, while you and i have butted heads on here a few times as weve had opposing views i think youre 100% right to keep the money under the circumstances you outline here. Not only did you hold the items that have declined in value, but he did not make any effort to hold up his end of the bargain. I dont see how you should not be compensated for holding up your end of the bargain...there comes a point where people should forefit a deposit out of decency, this is well beyond that

[Tynee]

Perhaps the two of you could work something out like he forfeits half. Just a suggestion.

[68 Suburban]

Originally Posted by Tynee

Perhaps the two of you could work something out like he forfeits half. Just a suggestion.

I have worked it out. I am still keeping the heads available to him for 2 more weeks from yesterday, and giving him a chance not to loose his payment of $100, by completing the transaction. Or, someone on the board is more than welcome to purchase these heads for $400, and I will give him his $100 back. It is not like I said, no heads, no money. I am still offering him what we agreed upon 9 months ago.

[rage'nrat638]

send him a 100.00 worth of monopoly money...DOHOOO.......

[70c10]

I had a board member who bugged me for a new bumper for like 8 months. When he was finally "ready" to buy it he wanted to send me a few bucks a week until the $90 was paid off. I told him to just hold the cash until he had it all. ragenrat's idea is pretty good!

[Cat Fuzz]

Christopher, your too nice a guy. I'm with almost everyone else here. You should keep the money. Sounds like this guy has a pattern of dreaming big with a little wallet. Maybe losing the hundred bucks might change his financial habits. I've learned the hard way that instant gratification will come back and bite you in the ass later. Now my policy is, if I can't pay cash for it now, I'll wait till I can.

[68 Suburban]

Originally Posted by Purpleslammed69

Ask him what he would rather have,his money back and name posted so noone else would ever deal with him or you keep the money and keep quiet.......lol.Wonder which one he would choose?

I think we know the answer to that one, since I have not seen him post here

[dave3156]

Well it looks like you have gotten $1000 worth of advice over $100. To most of us on this board the issue isn't the $100. It is more of the point that he didn't follow through with his agreement. Just decide what you feel in your gut is right, and go with it.

[jescates]

Very simple, if I asked you to hold a part and that I would make monthly payments and I didn't hold up to the bargain....wouldn't think twice about it, money lost because of my own stupidity. Money's yours. Wouldn't even bother asking you, would be a man about it and tell you I couldn't make the payment so sell the heads. Falls under ethics. Thats some of the problems nowdays.

[Randy70C-10]

Looking at this from both sides, someone is going to get screwed weather it be you or him. Since he initiated the deal then I'd say keep the money and let it be him. I personally don't believe in the payment plan, but I will accept a non-refundable deposit (agreed before the sale) and hold a part for a scecified amount of time. I've done this with engines, and actually sold a freshly built 283 four times! The deposits alone totalled up to almost the sale price of the engine, but it took 2 years to finally get rid of the damn thing.

[68 Suburban]

Originally Posted by Randy70C-10

Looking at this from both sides, someone is going to get screwed weather it be you or him. Since he initiated the deal then I'd say keep the money and let it be him.

Im sorry I have to disagree that he would be getting "screwed". I look at getting 'screwed" as when someone rips you off. First off, I will repeat this was not a deposit. I held these heads for 3 months WITHOUT a deposit. This was a PAYMENT which was to be followed by consitent payments until the heads were paid. Second, he has the option of still buying the heads. I did not sell them to someone else and say tough sh*t, you lose the $100. They are here. I have screwed no one.

If anyone thinks he is getting "screwed", it is by himself and not me.

[1971 Cheyenne]

Keep it.. The trouble of him backing out of a transaction, and you not being able to sell the heads and get that extra 300 bucks or whatever for months, is enough to justify keeping the PAYMENT. He should have been sure that he could afford the item before he went and put money on it. His bad...

[69ride]

I'd give him the money back. It's NOT what you want to hear but you asked for opinions. You don't know what is going on in his life. just my $.02.

[rn2fine]

I agree with Cat Fuzz that you are too nice Chris. Allowing someone to make payments to you was very thoughtful but not something that I would not be comfortable in doing. If someone needs to make payments on something it is a sign that they should have been making payments to themself and saving up money so that they have money ready to make the purchase.

[68 Suburban]

Originally Posted by rn2fine

I agree with Cat Fuzz that you are too nice Chris. Allowing someone to make payments to you was very thoughtful but not something that I would not be comfortable in doing. If someone needs to make payments on something it is a sign that they should have been making payments to themself and saving up money so that they have money ready to make the purchase.

Believe me. I will NEVER make this mistake again.

[68 Suburban]

Originally Posted by 69ride

I'd give him the money back. It's NOT what you want to hear but you asked for opinions. You don't know what is going on in his life. just my $.02.

Oh but I do know what is going on. He has a track record of this type of behavior.

[Randy70C-10]

Originally Posted by 68 Suburban

I look at getting 'screwed" as when someone rips you off.

Remember I said "looking at it from both sides". The way he see's it he'd be getting ripped off, or he would have told you to keep the money in the first place. Believe me, I'm with you. You held on to those heads alot longer than I would have.

[gmcnorton]

MY GIRLFRIEND AND I ALWAYS GET OURSELVES INTO THE SAME SITUATIONS...... ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP SOMEONE OUT WITH SOME SORT OF MESS. AND IT USUALLY ENDS UP WE ARE HOLDING THE SHORT END OF THE STICK . WE ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE AND HOPE IT WILL PAY OFF FOR US SOMEDAY...LOL...

WE JUST LOOK AT IT THIS WAY : YOU CAN'T CHANGE BEING THE PERSON YOU ARE JUST BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR GOOD NATURE. MY OPINOIN IS THIS PERSON YOUR DEALING WITH IS JUST THIS TYPE OF PERSON THAT MAKES YOU WONDER. YOU DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS RIGHT,AS LONG AS YOUR COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR ACTIONS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.

JUST MY .02 ,KEVIN

[RON WOODGEARD]

When you put something On lay-away you can go back anytime and get your money refunded.. It's a law, A law I know from Owning the jewelery store.. Lay-aways are very common in jewelery. And I had to return probably money 5 times over the course of 6 years.
This deal wasn't set up in a legal binding way, You don't have a business license, nor was there any agreement signed ahead of time as is in a retail sales outlet.

Did you tell this member "the payment was a Non-Refundable Down payment?

You gotta do what you gotta do,,, If you think it's right not to send his money back, then it really doesn't matter what any one person on this board says, You don't need our/their approval.
nine months is a long time to have merchandise tied up in a deal, You went way further on the forgiving side then I ever would have.. When the guy missed his "first" installment, I would have told him he needed to pay up in full, if he didn't or couldn't, I would have sent his money back and went on to the next guy/gal in line.

If this guy has done this sort of thing here already we all need to know who he is so he doesn't do this type of thing to others. He may be very well meaning, but he's apparently getting in over his head in financial obligation and can't fulfill...

[nitor]

I agree with most everyone here. Keep the money. You've been more than patient. Give him one more chance, if he doesn't contact you, or come up with the remainder sell the heads for what you can get and keep the money he sent.

Just my .02.

[moneyguru]

Do you want to know what is legal, or what I think is right?

Legal - unless both parties agreed that it was a non-refundable deposit, the deposit should be returned. He might be able to take you to small claims court to get the $100.

What would I do - Keep the $100, allow him one last chance to either buy the heads, or he finds someone to buy them from you.

[lukecp]

I don't feel like reading this entire thread (darn dial up...), so forgive me if i missed something on the second or third pages.

I admit that sometimes i am an overely nice guy, but i would give him the money back and not deal with him again. Its not like the heads went down in value. That is if you really didn't need the $400 anyway. If you did i would keep it, being that you had to wait 9 months for it.
Still, i can see where you are coming from. 9 months is a long time, that was like what, back in August?
If i were in your shoes i would proably give it back, but i could understand you not wanting to give it back especially if they guy was dicking you around. JMO.