![]() |
Register or Log In To remove these advertisements. |
|
|
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
![]() |
#1 | |
Account Suspended
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 4,709
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
As for racing oil, I was referring to brands like Redline and Royal Purple. Valvolines VR-1 is closer to a conventional passenger car oil. I think it's pretty good stuff but not enough for break-in if that's what you're asking. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 | |
AMERICAN IRON ADDICT
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: MA
Posts: 299
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Nice Job! I agree totally. One thing I would add is if you have a engne built and the builder reccomends a specific weight oil I would use it. Only he knows what the bearing clearances are, and should be taking that into account when reccomending the viscosity. I run VR1 30 in my 464 Pontiac and 10w30 VR1 in the truck in the colder months and VR1 30 in the summer. Both have roller cams, any thing with out a roller cam I use Brad Penn. I have though about trying ZDDP plus. I would have to send a sample of Brad Penn and then a sample of Valvoline with ZZDP plus out to be tested first. Then check the comparison. Great Topic!! |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 | |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Topeka, Ks
Posts: 2,293
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Just because you "have used brand x for years without trouble" means nothing now. Run any brand with an additive like ZDDP plus and forget the problem. Jeff
__________________
I'm not a pessimist, I'm just optimistic that bad things are going to happen. 1971 Cheyenne Super K10 - tilt, cruise, air, am/fm, tow hooks, factory buckets! 1986 Jeep J10 pickup, - 5.3L Vortec with 4L60e and NP241. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Senior Member
![]() Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: New Madison, Ohio
Posts: 21,365
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
The reason this thread is important to me is my 402BB will be totaly rebuilt so when the Circuit Rider gets out of the body shop I want to be sure I break the engine in correctly. As said...this is a very good thread. Thanks all for their input!
![]()
__________________
A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. ![]() 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. ![]() 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc ![]() ![]() JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder! Last edited by 70cst; 04-16-2009 at 12:13 AM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 | |
Account Suspended
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 4,709
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
I've got the 402BB in my truck as well. Did you do a performance build or just a stock rebuild. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Highlands, NC
Posts: 138
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Thanks for the info on Shell Rotella T changing its formula. I didn't realize that they had changed it. This has been a very informative thread. I love this board.
__________________
'70 GMC SWB step-side- 454, 4 speed, air bags (in progress) '09 CTS-V M6 '03 Sierra SWB Z71 '82 Yamaha Seca XJ650R Turbo! '04 Yamaha FZ6 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 581
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Agree 100%. I don't believe Shell Rotella has Zinc anymore....The only oils with zinc to my knowledge are racing oils like the Joe Gibbs line etc. From everything I have read, normal everyday engine oil, shell,pennzoil,amaco, etc has had zinc & phosphorus removed to protect catalytic converters and emissions. If your motor has a flat tappet cam, don't fool yourself, its just a matter of time before you wipe the cam lobes. New oil is not the same, just because its the same brand/weight/package etc. GM EOS (engine oil supplement) is the stuff to use, Lucus also has a comparable product, for additives if you want to continue using your "old faithful brand" you need this!
__________________
"I'll Procrastinate Tomorrow" quote by LEEVON 71 K10 long fleet (sons truck) new 370hp 355, sm465 np205, 3.73's 33's 70 K20 long fleet 98 G3500 work van Last edited by chas350; 04-15-2009 at 10:41 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 2,696
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 581
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
There ya go! my next motor will!
__________________
"I'll Procrastinate Tomorrow" quote by LEEVON 71 K10 long fleet (sons truck) new 370hp 355, sm465 np205, 3.73's 33's 70 K20 long fleet 98 G3500 work van |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
Senior Member
![]() Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Studio City, Calif.
Posts: 2,873
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
I always use Mobil 1 10-30 and after I heard about zinc/phosphorous levels being reduced in oils I continue using Mobile 1 hoping that the cam would wipe and I could then get a built 383 in there.
"Unfortunately" it runs just fine and I am beginning to believe that for a stock,low lift cam you don't need any fancy,expensive oil or additive.
__________________
'69 GMC C2500 Custom Camper, 8 1/2' bed, New GM 350, NP 435 Close Ratio 4spd. Trans., 3.73 Dana-60 open.Camper and Trailer wiring, PS, PB, AC, tach , three gas tanks, stereo speakers, 2nd owner, Work-Truck supreme. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Sierra Grande Club
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 2,433
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
After someone posted that the VR1 racing oil already had ZDDP, I decided to investigate the use of this oil. I called Valvoline Tech. support and inquired about this oil for a street car. I explained my concern that a race oil my not have the same detergents as other regular oils.
He said the VR1 has the same amount of detergent as their regular oil and ZDDP levels of 1400ppm & 1300ppm for Phosphorus. I also talked to them about the weight of the oil. I decided to use a 10w30 and I’ll monitor the oil pressure and see if it gets too low during idle. – That would suggest the oil is too light. The availability of the VR1 is pretty good too, so no worry there. The price was cheaper than buying oil and adding the additive. The thing about going this way is the ZDDP is already in the oil so you don’t have to be concerned how it mixes or how it’s suspended in the oil – like someone already pointed out about additives. Hope this helps. s/t
__________________
1971 GMC Sierra Grande, 1/2 ton short wide, original 4 bolt 010 020 block & heads. (matching #'s). 383 stroker, SMI q jet 750 cfm, Lunati Voodoo 60102 cam, Scorpion roller rockers, Spin Tech pro street mufflers with X pipe. ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Champagne Taste on Beer Budget
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: High Ridge, Missouri
Posts: 2,190
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
I've always ran 10w30 in all my vehicles' engines and never had an issue.
Even back when I built my own engine for my '69 Camaro it would be with a good quality 10w30 for a few hundred miles then change that break-in oil with the same weight as what I used to break it in with. Well like others have said on here before I just do not see the need to use the heavier weight 20w50 unless the engine build didn't setup the bearing tolerances tight enough.
__________________
Coming Soon: Project 1970 Country Truck |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 |
Active Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,643
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
70CST - the real deal seems to be GM EOS, GM approved it for use in their motors - who am I to argue
![]() It has been out on the market and is a trusted product with known results - everyone else is a johnny come lately - they may be just fine, only time will tell As I stated above = IMO - if you choose not to run an additive you run the risk of camshaft failure -we have no control over the oil company and when they decide to add or subtract ingredients
__________________
1968 SWB 454 + .040, 490HP x 540 FT pounds of Torque 10-1 Kb Forged pistons, recon rods w/ ARP wave loc bolts 781 heads Ported with 2.19/1.88 SSTvalves Lunati 60204 cam, Micro Trol lifters, Ported Edelbrock Performer Rpm manifold armor coated, Pertronix Triple Strike Ignition Holley 770 Street Avenger carb,Headers armor coated Built by Watson Ruppel Performance in Sarahsville Ohio. Hardshift Tranny Built Turbo 350,TSI 10" 3000 stall 12 Bolt Eaton Posi 4.10 Richmond Gears moser axles ![]() 18.5" x 31" Hoosier Pro Street Radials ![]() ET Classic 5 Wheels - polished Power Steering, Power Brakes,Disc Brakes,Tach & Gauge Dash, Tilt,Factory Air (gone) Custom Paint & Body Work Special thanks to my wife, my son and my money tree ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 7,271
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
You need some some of a break in oil period if you don't use the chance of a flat lobe increases.
As for using diesel oils, DON"T my 07 Dodge has a cat on it, do you think they would reformulate (gasoline oils to protect cats and not do the diesel oils!?) I didn't think so the ZDDP was dropped to protect the cats (oe got tired of replacing cats with the 10yr 100k warrantees and leaned on the epa, which in turn leaned on the oil companies). If it doesn't say NOT FOR USE ON "NEWER CARS" it doesn't has enough ZDDP. NAPA sells a 30 ND (non-detergent) that has PLENTY of ZDPP in it, use that for the first two oil changes then run whatever you want with a half a bottle of EOS or pay the extra for a good oil with plenty of ZDDP in it, or risk the chance of a flat lobe?! You need |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 |
Between Trucks...
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Los Angeles, CA.
Posts: 3,830
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Usually use 1/2 a bottle of EOS, though last oil change I went with a bottle of Compcam's Engine Break in additive.
__________________
Beat it to fit, Paint it to match... ![]() Last edited by Sinister; 04-15-2009 at 03:16 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#16 | |
Sierra Grande Club
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 2,433
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Can you find out how much ZDDP and Phosphorus is in it? Nobody seems to know & Comp cams is already known for bad lube in the case of the red assembly lube. s/t
__________________
1971 GMC Sierra Grande, 1/2 ton short wide, original 4 bolt 010 020 block & heads. (matching #'s). 383 stroker, SMI q jet 750 cfm, Lunati Voodoo 60102 cam, Scorpion roller rockers, Spin Tech pro street mufflers with X pipe. ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#17 |
1962 C-10
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Las Vegas, New Mexico
Posts: 4,978
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Good thread. A lot of great info on here.
__________________
Joseph Chavez ![]() "See the USA in a Chevrolet!!" ......................_____ .........________//__{\_____ ,,,,,,,/__(O)___//___/__(O)_/ 1962 C10 Shortbed Fleetside 327/th350 GV overdrive 1974 C10 Longbed Fleetside 350/th350 "The Trash Truck" 1999 Chevy 2500 OBS, Longbed 5.7/4L80E 4x4 2015 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x4 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#18 |
Between Trucks...
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Los Angeles, CA.
Posts: 3,830
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Doh, might have to go back to EOS. Seems to be O.K. so far though.
My truck had what appeared to be 50,000 miles on it when I got it, with what also appeared to be the original motor. So far so good.
__________________
Beat it to fit, Paint it to match... ![]() Last edited by Sinister; 04-15-2009 at 03:42 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#19 |
Suburban Hick
![]() Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Altoona, IA
Posts: 810
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
I've been running plane old napa 10w30 in my old truck since iput the motor in 3 years ago. That was the oil i used to break it in too. Sometimes i even mix oil brands and weights since it leaks a little. Most mechanics don't recommend it, but i've never had any problems.
That motor is a small block of course. As for the big block in my 68 impala. Nothing has ever been done to the motor, it doesn't leak or burn oil, and i run motorcarft 5w-30 in it with no problems whatsoever.
__________________
Mathew 1947 Chevy 3600 1951 GMC 100 1969 Chevy C-10 396/500hp TH400 lowered 4" 1968 Imapla Custom 396/325hp TH400 "Grandmas Car" 1976 Crew Cab 4x4 diesel http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=488505 1978 Chevy K-10 454 1983 S10 4x4 "Bumblb" (Grandpa's truck) 1993 Chevy S10 V8 conversion 1990 Ford Probe Gt 1992 Dodge W-150 "Old Man's Truck" 1992 Pontiac Grand Prix SE 1992 Mercury Grand Marquis-Mercruiser 2000 Ford F150 (Currently my mother drives this) 1946 Farmall H with Stan Hoist loader 1965 John Deere 110 1961 Wheel Horse " Rat Tractor" Last edited by brothers69c-10; 04-15-2009 at 10:22 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#20 | ||||
Sierra Grande Club
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 2,433
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Quote:
I remember the tech at Lunati saying you'll know if you'll have a cam failure real soon. Apparently once it starts in progresses very quickly. That seems to back up the statement from the Valvoline guy? Sure is cheap insurance to keep on using it though. ![]() Seems to be several people here using regular oil on high mileage motors with no ill affects. Quote:
Quote:
![]()
__________________
1971 GMC Sierra Grande, 1/2 ton short wide, original 4 bolt 010 020 block & heads. (matching #'s). 383 stroker, SMI q jet 750 cfm, Lunati Voodoo 60102 cam, Scorpion roller rockers, Spin Tech pro street mufflers with X pipe. ![]() |
||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#21 |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: League City, Texas
Posts: 732
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
All the light duty 3/4-1ton "big 3" diesel trucks have cats now. So the zinc/phosphorus in diesel oils will be most likely dissapearing soon or not.
You guys that don't want to run Valvoline 20w50 VR1, it also comes in 10w30. You may have to order it though as I never see it around here, just the 20w50 and straight 50wt at Autozone. Looks like as of 2006 the Delo 400 had the same zinc/phosphorus levels as the VR-1. Not sure if it has changed any now. ![]() Chevron Delo 400 Multigrade SAE 15W-40 meets: • API Service Categories CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF, CE1, CD1, SL, SJ, SH1, SG1 Chevron Delo 400 LE SAE 10W-30 meets: • API Service Categories CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR...otor%20Oil.pdf http://www.royalpetroleum.com/Upload...00%2015w40.pdf Looks like a bunch of multi viscosity options with delo too. (May 2008) Their SAE 10w30 oil has the zinc. http://www.chevrondelo.com/deloperfo...aspx#delomotor |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#22 | |
Sierra Grande Club
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 2,433
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
__________________
1971 GMC Sierra Grande, 1/2 ton short wide, original 4 bolt 010 020 block & heads. (matching #'s). 383 stroker, SMI q jet 750 cfm, Lunati Voodoo 60102 cam, Scorpion roller rockers, Spin Tech pro street mufflers with X pipe. ![]() |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#23 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: League City, Texas
Posts: 732
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Our NAPA closed a few years back, but I will check with the local autoparts next time to see what they have. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#24 | ||
Sierra Grande Club
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Mexico USA
Posts: 2,433
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
Quote:
Quote:
If he says he can order it I'll pass this on to you. I'm thinking he can't. s/t
__________________
1971 GMC Sierra Grande, 1/2 ton short wide, original 4 bolt 010 020 block & heads. (matching #'s). 383 stroker, SMI q jet 750 cfm, Lunati Voodoo 60102 cam, Scorpion roller rockers, Spin Tech pro street mufflers with X pipe. ![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#25 |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: League City, Texas
Posts: 732
|
Re: Engine builder says to use valvoline 20w50
I have read that GM's EOS may be discontinued or the part number has changed. Seems like a rumor. Not sure though. There is still EOS out there to buy though.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Bookmarks |
|
|