72 GMC Short Step Build

[diceman50]

Originally Posted by MashTheGas 72

Hey Z10 where did you pick up your aluminum insulation mat.

www.lobucrod.com/

[MashTheGas 72]

Thanks diceman. I will be ordering a role.

[diceman50]

Hey Z10,

You're going to have to turn loose of some of your Cialis brochures. We need water pump gaskets.

[Z10]

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget the gaskets! Who stole my heads???

Jump forward to post 81, to solve the mystery

[swamp rat]

What purpose does the MLV accomplish besides not laying down very well? I never seen the stuff used here before so wondering if its insulation or sound property's?? Thanks!

[Z10]

Diceman, can you respond to this comment from "Airstream" from a TPI post I'm monitoring?

Quote:hey z10, I see you are building a surge tank. I was going to make a fuel injection cleaning tank that i was going to fill with cleaner fluid and pressurize it with air and feed it to injectors. My tank size and style was a lot like your surge tank. I discussed this with my brother ( a mechanical engineer) and he said "you must have domed ends, they look like bell ends. If not and the ends are sharp 90 degree transitions, these areas are stress risers, create flexing, and eventually crack". This would lead to pressurized fuel spray in a hot engine compartment with spark generators (coils, alternator, etc). My brother also said to look at any ASME (american society of mechanical engineers) tank and you will notice rounded ends. I work at a power plant with compressed air everywhere with surge tanks, etc, etc, and all holding tanks have rounded ends with an ASME id tag listing working pressure, burst pressure etc. I think the quality of your work looks great as i don't wont to rain on anyones parade, but when i switched careers from dealer mechanic to power plant work it was an eye opener. Keep up the good work, good luck Brian F.[/QUOTE]

Airstream, please go over to my build and copy and paste your comment.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post6356218
My surge tank was created by diceman50, I'm sure he'll respond. The tank was actually created by utilizing two DOT calibration gas cylinders which were originally rated at 500psi. As far as the domed ends, I'll default to your brother. On second thought I'll copy and paste your comment, just monitor it for his reply.

[diceman50]

Originally Posted by Z10

Diceman, can you respond to this comment from "Airstream" from a TPI post I'm monitoring?

Quote:hey z10, I see you are building a surge tank. I was going to make a fuel injection cleaning tank that i was going to fill with cleaner fluid and pressurize it with air and feed it to injectors. My tank size and style was a lot like your surge tank. I discussed this with my brother ( a mechanical engineer) and he said "you must have domed ends, they look like bell ends. If not and the ends are sharp 90 degree transitions, these areas are stress risers, create flexing, and eventually crack". This would lead to pressurized fuel spray in a hot engine compartment with spark generators (coils, alternator, etc). My brother also said to look at any ASME (american society of mechanical engineers) tank and you will notice rounded ends. I work at a power plant with compressed air everywhere with surge tanks, etc, etc, and all holding tanks have rounded ends with an ASME id tag listing working pressure, burst pressure etc. I think the quality of your work looks great as i don't wont to rain on anyones parade, but when i switched careers from dealer mechanic to power plant work it was an eye opener. Keep up the good work, good luck Brian F.

Airstream, please go over to my build and copy and paste your comment.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post6356218
My surge tank was created by diceman50, I'm sure he'll respond. The tank was actually created by utilizing two DOT calibration gas cylinders which were originally rated at 500psi. As far as the domed ends, I'll default to your brother. On second thought I'll copy and paste your comment, just monitor it for his reply.[/QUOTE]



Diceman here,

The gas sample canisters we used are rated at 500 PSI and although they are flat bottom on the outside they have a very large radius on the inside which in effect makes them domed on the inside. However, the point is mute since in our application there is ZERO pressure on the surge tank. We are using the mechanical pump on the engine to fill the surge tank with a return line to the main tank. The high pressure pump is inside the surge tank. It pumps fuel to the fuel rails after which excess fuel is returned to the pressure regulator which is mounted on the outside of the tank. Therefore no pressure is introduced to the tank. The pressure testing I did was for the fittings.

[Z10]

Originally Posted by swamp rat

What purpose does the MLV accomplish besides not laying down very well? I never seen the stuff used here before so wondering if its insulation or sound property's?? Thanks!

Rat, the MLV is used as a sound barrier. Here's a link from the place I purchased it.
http://www.supersoundproofingsales.c...2D00005%2D48R/

And here's an article you might find interesting.http://www.supersoundproofingsales.c...2D00005%2D48R/

What I'm trying to accomplish is keep the heat out, the cool in, and reduce the amount of noise that enters the cab. The jury is still out as to how well this will work. I still haven't done anything with the doors and will need to do that after we get the truck back on it's feet.

[swamp rat]

Originally Posted by Z10

Rat, the MLV is used as a sound barrier.

What I'm trying to accomplish is keep the heat out, the cool in, and reduce the amount of noise that enters the cab. The jury is still out as to how well this will work. I still haven't done anything with the doors and will need to do that after we get the truck back on it's feet.

Ok thanks for the product link, The link to the article you posted was the same as the product link so i couldn't read the article..

So i'm guessing this stuff may be better than just using 2 layers Dynomat first then the closed cell? Or possibly the way you layer it makes a difference? I'll be interested to read your thoughts on how well it performs, my truck is LOUD...

I was also wondering if you had a heat gun if it would help shape the MLV a little?

Then i had one thought, how thick are the 3 layers and will it affect the accelerator pedal movement enough to be a problem? Just thinking ahead.

[Z10]

Originally Posted by swamp rat

Ok thanks for the product link, The link to the article you posted was the same as the product link so i couldn't read the article..

So i'm guessing this stuff may be better than just using 2 layers Dynomat first then the closed cell? Or possibly the way you layer it makes a difference? I'll be interested to read your thoughts on how well it performs, my truck is LOUD...

I was also wondering if you had a heat gun if it would help shape the MLV a little?

Then i had one thought, how thick are the 3 layers and will it affect the accelerator pedal movement enough to be a problem? Just thinking ahead.

The three layers actually do different things. The dynamat reduces harmonic vibrations which can create sound. From what I've studied it is not necessary to completely cover a surface with the material, but somewhere between 25% to 50% coverage will get it done. The aluminized foam serves two purposes, stop heat transfer and stop noise. The mass load vinyl, also stops what I would call airborne noise such as exhaust, tire noise etc.

As for thickness, all 3 layers are less than 1/2 inch, probably closer to 3/8. If I find it's to thick around the gas pedal, I'll just cut it out.

I did try a heat gun, but the MLV didn't seem to want to hold it's shape when it cooled. The good news, is that if you trim it in smaller pieces, it stays put.
My mistake at first was trying to use two large pieces to cover the floor and firewall.

[Z10]

[QUOTE=swamp rat;6401001]Ok thanks for the product link, The link to the article you posted was the same as the product link so i couldn't read the article..

Here's some more light reading on the subject.

http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/

[Z10]

First Engine Test Fit

Had some fun today. The decision was made to test fit the engine and trans.

We found that the 700r4 trans and factory crossmember will match up to existing holes in the frame with out any need to drill holes. The engine stands were sorted out and bolted to existing holes, with the exception of the bottom stand holes, which we'll drill when we pull the engine back out. No interference between the firewall and distributor and the distributor will drop in. Looks like the drive shaft will need to be shortened about 3 inches. No clearance problems with the Sanderson CC11 headers.

All in all a very good day. So, here's a few pics. You'll notice the engine still has the stock ZZ4 carb manifold. The TPI set up will go on later.

[swamp rat]

Ok thanks! You have a great build going!

[67chevy1]

Your doing a great job keep it up.

[Z10]

Originally Posted by 67chevy1

Your doing a great job keep it up.

Thanks 67, the team appreciates it.

[Z10]

Stainless steel fuel line install on TPI manifold:
Car Boss seems to always be busy.

[Beetle]

I can only hope my 70 GMC short fleet looks this nice one day! I am keepin my six though

Good lookin work by you the car boss and EE

[Z10]

Thanks Beetle! You'll make it just keep plugging away at it.

I've got a couple of more post to follow this evening.

Originally Posted by Beetle

I can only hope my 70 GMC short fleet looks this nice one day! I am keepin my six though

Good lookin work by you the car boss and EE

[Z10]

Heat shield for starter wires:
Double E wanted some heat shielding for his starter wires. Car Boss answered the call.

[diceman50]

QUOTE=Beetle;6410273]

I am keepin my six though

[/QUOTE]

Car boss here,

I'm with you Beetle! Here's mine.

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I don't care if I ever see another SBC in anything. I'm almost to that point with the LS engines.

[Z10]

Originally Posted by diceman50

QUOTE=Beetle;6410273]

I am keepin my six though

Car boss here,

I'm with you Beetle! Here's mine.

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I don't care if I ever see another SBC in anything. I'm almost to that point with the LS engines.[/QUOTE]

Beatle, take a close look at Diceman's engine. You are looking at a fuel injected, computer controlled, Six. Bet you had to look twice.

[Z10]

Time to show off "Hank"

I think it's time to show off Car Boss's "Hank". Turns out it's a pretty good tow vehicle. Photos shows Hank pulling my truck to the shop for the build.

I'll bet if someone asks him he'll tell you all about this special truck.

[Z10]

F.I.R.S.T TPI Manifold and ZZ4 Head Mismatch

We ran into a bit of a mismatch with the F.I.R.S.T TPI intake manifold and the aluminum heads on the ZZ4. The ZZ4 heads have a protrusion that interferes with the intake seating properly. Car Boss and I have another friend who owns a machine shop, He machined enough off for the intake to fit properly. So, for those of you contemplating using this intake on a ZZ4, be aware that you'll need to make this modification.

[Molberg]

Thats some real nice work Z10

[68shortstep]

Cool Beans award on making the clamps !!!!!!! Subtle & clean.

and photo four: notched-to-fit channel makes a good (great) simple way to hold up one of the big Whitney punches to keep it from tipping over & smashing fingers & / or toes. I'll never do that again, after seeing this idea.