Jim's 1969 Custom/20

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by R&K's71

wow with all of that traveling i bet u have some storys to tell to bad im in Missouri id love to stop by and help with the truck and shoot the u know what with ya . Keep up the great work on the truck

Shoot the breeze, of course
Looks like you have moved around a bit yourself.
Stop by any ol' time bud.

[yuccales]

Great read! Just got done reading the 3 pages and must say, well done. These old trucks sure are fun.

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by yuccales

Great read! Just got done reading the 3 pages and must say, well done. These old trucks sure are fun.

Thanks. I'd like to see some pics of your truck. Looks similar to mine from what I can tell.

[yuccales]

Originally Posted by bollybib

Thanks. I'd like to see some pics of your truck. Looks similar to mine from what I can tell.

Here's one poor quality picture. 42 yrs. old (the truck) and still working! Hauled my "sitting rock" about 50 miles, never missed a beat. The truck has a 350, Edelbrock Q-jet, NP 435 trans, dual exhaust, Dana 60 w/ 4:10 gears. I bought it in 1990 from the original owner. He had a cab over camper on it most all of it's life. I will never get rid of her, as it is my go to truck for all my nasty hauling jobs. After reading about yours, you have built yourself a great truck.

[hopped up]

great read!! very detailed and descriptive. very helpful for me and im sure not the only one. keep it up good job
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[bollybib]

Originally Posted by yuccales

Here's one poor quality picture. 42 yrs. old (the truck) and still working! Hauled my "sitting rock" about 50 miles, never missed a beat. The truck has a 350, Edelbrock Q-jet, NP 435 trans, dual exhaust, Dana 60 w/ 4:10 gears. I bought it in 1990 from the original owner. He had a cab over camper on it most all of it's life. I will never get rid of her, as it is my go to truck for all my nasty hauling jobs. After reading about yours, you have built yourself a great truck.

Thanks for the pic. It looks like I've started a small collection of 69 saddle/white C20s here. It's nice to see one like yours being used for real work. Impressive that you've had it for so long and that you are only the second owner.

Mine is just a toy for now, it still needs quite a bit of work to be reliable transport, but I'll get there. I bet when I do I'll put it to work now and again.

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by hopped up

great read!! very detailed and descriptive. very helpful for me and im sure not the only one. keep it up good job
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Glad you enjoyed it.

[bollybib]

TUNES (Part 1 of 2)

I spent most of my time on the truck over the past several weeks working on the exhaust system and driveshaft. I’ll post something about those soon. When I got near the end of the exhaust-ing work, I needed something fun to do, so I decided to put in a stereo. I managed to find most everything I needed in my small-but-extensive "salvage yard", so this little project ended up costing me the price of a pack of connectors, $3.58.

I didn’t want to remove a lot of stuff or drill any new holes or cut anything. The stock AM radio doesn’t work, and I didn’t want to troubleshoot it or remove it since the AC ducts are in the way and I was not of a mind to destroy those just yet. I didn’t want to put the stereo unit in the glove box because it is way too far to reach while driving. There are two fat pan head screws below the HVAC control unit on the dash that looked like they would make fine attachment points for brackets. So I scratched my head and drew a quick sketch on my work table.

I rummaged around to find something suitable for a bracket. The center-to-center dimension of the factory-installed screws is identical to the width of the stereo unit so I needed something that would provide a rigid offset around the screw heads. I had some 1/8" thick rectangular aluminum tubing on hand that looked like a good candidate, and it would be easy to cut and drill too. So following my sketch, I fabricated two brackets and made a few test fits. It looked like it would work OK.

Then I went to the truck’s electrical schematic to find a good place to hook up the power. I used the lead at the cigarette lighter for unswitched power and ran a wire to the radio connector near the fuse box to get switched power because I couldn’t reach the radio’s power connector. A PO had drilled a hole in the bottom of the dash directly above my mounting location so I used that for a ground screw. I disconnected the antenna cable from the radio to use for the stereo (lucky I could reach it without taking stuff out). I needed to buy some spade terminals but I had everything else on hand.

[bollybib]

TUNES (Part 2 of 2)

I used a pair of 6 ohm speakers from a Sony mini-shelf system because 1. I hadn't used them for quite a while, 2. They worked, and 3. They fit under the seats. I screwed a piece of thin board to the sides of the speakers because I attached the speakers to the floor with silicone glue. I didn’t want to completely ruin the looks of the speakers in case I ever use them again elsewhere. I painted the stereo case and brackets semi-gloss black and put everything in.

I used an iPod cassette adapter and ran the wire up to the ash tray where I can set my iPod. Fired it up and it sounds good and looks fine. Now I can turn it up to drown out the valve train noise haha.

Rock on.

Jim

[oldman3]

Nice looking set-up Jim, rock on....Jim

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by oldman3

Nice looking set-up Jim, rock on....Jim

See, I learned something by following your build .

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by bollybib

IGNITION, FUEL, & CARBURETOR (Part 2 of 3)

I removed the air horn and found that the floats were way out of adjustment but they did not appear to be leaking. The accelerator pump assembly looked worn but there was no apparent damage. I cleaned a little and adjusted the floats, then reassembled. I noticed a bit of improvement in both acceleration and stalling behaviour (placebo effect maybe) so I decided to move on and rebuild the whole feelthy mess.

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To familiarize myself with all the parts, I spent some time reviewing exploded parts diagrams and pics I found online. I made up a clean place to work with a lot of space to keep all the parts in order. I took a shi†load of pics during disassembly for future reference. I decided to use lacquer thinner to clean the parts so I bought a gallon along with a few aluminum baking pans to wash the parts in.

The disassembly was straightforward and required only a basic torx set, screwdrivers, and something to handle the tiny spring clip retainers. I did the air horn first; disassemble, clean, and reassemble. The screen at the farthest bowl inlet had captured a lot of particulate matter.

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Then I did the main body. Doing it one section at a time like this kept the number of loose parts more manageable. I found a lot of debris in the bottom of the bowls. Once dry, I brushed out a large part of Utah (sandy particles, see pic below). The pump check ball was stuck in the bore but came out with a few taps on the bottom of the carb (hmm).

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As I removed the parts, I placed them on my table in their relative positions so I would’t go crazy trying to put it back together later. I used two cleaning baths, one to wash most of the crud off, and another, cleaner one for a second cleaning and then blowing out of the internal passages. I used a toothbrush and a set of small tube brushes to clean in around and through. I washed out an awful lot of dark brown stuff.

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I saw your post in my 9906 refurb edelbrock thread and came here like you suggested.

How much $ did you spend on parts to do the rebuild?

Thanks,
Robert

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

I saw your post in my 9906 refurb edelbrock thread and came here like you suggested.

How much $ did you spend on parts to do the rebuild?

Thanks,
Robert

I bought Edelbrock rebuild kit and floats, plus lacquer thinner and other incidentals, about $80-90. There are cheaper kits out there (eBay) but I stuck with Edelbrock because I hadn't done one before.

There is a lot of external stuff that Edelbrocks need, fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator, fuel gauge, fittings and so on that could run you another $100+ easy if you don't have them.

All this stuff is itemized in my list. Some guys don't want to deal with all this and just go buy one complete. That works, too.

YW

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by bollybib

I bought Edelbrock rebuild kit and floats, plus lacquer thinner and other incidentals, about $80-90. There are cheaper kits out there (eBay) but I stuck with Edelbrock because I hadn't done one before.

There is a lot of external stuff that Edelbrocks need, fuel filter, fuel pressure regulator, fuel gauge, fittings and so on that could run you another $100+ easy if you don't have them.

All this stuff is itemized in my list. Some guys don't want to deal with all this and just go buy one complete. That works, too.

YW

Thanks,

That's close to the numbers I was getting.

I already have the Holley Regulator and Pressure Gauge.

I'm thinking I'll just get the 9906 (refurb 1406) this time around.

Thanks again.

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

Thanks,

That's close to the numbers I was getting.

I already have the Holley Regulator and Pressure Gauge.

I'm thinking I'll just get the 9906 (refurb 1406) this time around.

Thanks again.

NP, I'm gonna read through your Service Truck Build thread, looks interesting. I was seriously considering a 1967 plumber's truck while I was looking for mine so I can see what I'm missing by reading yours.

[dmack91]

Jim,

Thanks for the link to your fix for the trans leak at the speedo gear. $2 worth of seals from the local tranny shop and no more leaks.

Dave

[LostMy65]

After browsing your thread, I wanted to say thanks.

I like it went guys document their steps/progress - I have found so many solutions to my projects by just browsing build threads.

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by dmack91

Jim,

Thanks for the link to your fix for the trans leak at the speedo gear. $2 worth of seals from the local tranny shop and no more leaks.

Dave

Good deal, Dave. I'd have to say that little fix did the most for the least amount of money and effort of everything I've done so far.

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

After browsing your thread, I wanted to say thanks.

I like it went guys document their steps/progress - I have found so many solutions to my projects by just browsing build threads.

You and me both. This site is loaded with good info if you spend the time to look.

[Sicklajoie]

This has been a great read. Nice to see another Custom Camper here!
This is what mine looked like pre-restoration:

Then when I got it in January:

And now:

Keep up the good work!

[bollybib]

Originally Posted by Sicklajoie

This has been a great read. Nice to see another Custom Camper here!

Thanks, I have a lot of fun writing about my adventures with my truck. BTW mine is just plain Custom (no Camper option). Looks like yours was originally a saddle/white combo from the pic (a little hard to tell). Your SPID should spell out the original options including color.

[bollybib]

While the bed is off, there are several other things that need attention and now is a good time to do them because I have good access to everything. Besides, I doubt much anything I can see now that requires regular service or replacement has been touched for many years. After the pinion seal, I had the following items on my List.

1. Replace the u-joints and bearing support
2. Replace the exhaust system
3. Clean the frame
4. Replace the shocks
5. Replace the rear brake hose
6. Redo the rear end cover seal that I apparently didn’t do very well the first time

So here goes with Numero Uno, Replace the u-joints and bearing support (aka DRIVESHAFT).

DRIVESHAFT (1 of 3)

I’ve taken out one-piece driveshafts and replaced u-joints before, but this two-piece shaft looked a little more complicated. I made sure I marked the original orientation of all the parts so I would reassemble them in the same position (assuming they were all in the proper positions to begin with, of course). I cleaned up as best I could around the transmission tailshaft seal to minimize introduction of dirt when I removed and replaced the driveshaft assembly. I then removed the entire two-piece driveshaft (this was easy).

U-Joints

Since I don’t know the service history of this truck, I decided to replace all three u-joints (UJs). The two forward UJs are the same size (Series 1310), and the rearmost one is larger (Series 1350). However, the auto parts stores think all three should be the same, but on a C20, they aren’t. 67-72chevytrucks.com and the Chevrolet Truck Parts Catalog provided the details regarding the anomalous part. I bought sealed Precision UJs so I won’t add three fittings to grease in the future. The ones I removed were sealed Spicers. The truck probably came from the factory with sealed UJs, according to the Service Manual. It’s been many years since I worked on UJs, so I fiddled around a while until I got a method worked out. I ended up using my hydraulic press to remove them and a 6" C-clamp to install them (both in combination with an appropriate size socket) which worked reasonably well.

I had some difficulty installing a couple of them. After the lock rings were in, the joint was binding, I could feel that it was stiff and not rotating freely. I wasn’t too sure what was happening, so I took one of the old Spicers, tore it down, cleaned it, greased it, reassembled it, and reinstalled it at a joint (a good exercise, probably something people did a lot way back when, too, rebuilding UJs). No binding. I began to think my new Precision UJs were at fault. I read a few threads where people disliked them, but they didn’t give any specific reason why. I made a lot of measurements to compare new and old UJs (I’ve got a decent set of mics and calipers) and I found both almost deadnuts the same. So something was amiss in the way they ended up after I installed them, I thought. Maybe the binding I felt was because the trunnion end faces were being forced into the bottom of their bearing caps. So I went back and made sure all the yoke surfaces were clean, the lock rings and their slots were undamaged, and everything was free of debris or damage. I found a few places that needed attention, so I got out my Dremel, small files, wire brushes, and solvent and did what I felt necessary. The lock ring slot on the splined center yoke was definitely tweaked (more about that below). Once I took care of all this, all the UJs went in fine and did not bind.

Here, in greater detail, is a procedure I wrote based on how I did my UJ work (with lots of pics).
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=492271

Bearing Support

The Service Manual calls this innocuous looking contraption a bearing support, so I guess I will, too. The bearing support consists of a stamped metal frame, the lower section of which is formed into a cylinder. Held within the cylindrical section is a rubber isolator that grips the outer race of a roller bearing. The bearing’s inner race is pressed onto the splined section of the front driveshaft. By virtue of its being attached to a frame crossmember, support is provided for the driveshaft near the center UJ. My driveshaft obviously sagged here. It was way off-center relative to the bearing support. With the bed off, I could hear it squeaking when I drove at slow speed. The last pic below shows the support after it was removed from the driveshaft.


Bearing support



From beneath cab



Cut and sagging rubber isolator

[bollybib]

DRIVESHAFT (2 of 3)

To get things apart, the yoke at the rear of the front driveshaft must be removed. It was stubborn and required quite a bit of torque on the puller to break it free (I was wondering for a while if it would).

I found later that I had deformed the lock ring slot with the puller claws. Due to problems later encountered, I ended up having to remove and replace the yoke several times. Instead of pulling directly on the yoke, I inserted a pair of old trunnion bearing caps with their openings outward and pulled against them, not the yoke. However, the damage was done so I fixed it as best I could.

I cut off the old bearing. I cleaned up and straightened the two metal end shields. Then I installed a new bearing with the a shield behind it. Then I slipped the stamped metal/rubber isolator assembly over the bearing, put on the other shield and the yoke, and torqued it up. Then I reassemble the UJ. Then put the whole bloody mess back on the truck. I had the rear wheels off so I could run the drivetrain with the rear axle up on stands. I fired it up and it spun like a top ! But then..,wait,..,what’s this I hear ?? Damn.,.,.it started squeaking loudly so I shut it off. The shields were hot as hell. I thought maybe I had a bad bearing so I took off the rear driveshaft and ran just the front one. I put my stethoscope to the bearing, it didn’t sound all that great , but after running it for 15 minutes or so, no squeak or obvious overheating.

[Note Added on 8/11/11) I simplified this narrative some so I should also mention something else that happened. The first time I ran the assembled unit, the squeak began, got slowly louder, and then the driveshaft began to wobble violently. I believe this was caused by excessive friction between the shields and the rubber which makes sense considering what I did next.

Next I tried greasing the rubber. Not a long term solution, but maybe that would help me figure out what was wrong. Reassemble and reinstall the driveshaft again. The grease shut it up. I left it like that for a while, figuring I’d get back to the problem later, if there still was one. But later on when I checked, it started squeaking again. The pic below is with the rubber greased up.

So I took the driveshaft apart one more time. Now I could see that the rubber was chafing against the shields. OK, this is good, I know what is wrong now. You can see the flat spot worn into the rubber by the metal shield in the pic below. This was happening on both sides.

[bollybib]

DRIVESHAFT (3 of 3)

So how to fix it ? I found a support unit only (less the bearing) that I thought I’d try next since it wasn’t too pricey. When I got it home I compared it to Mr. Squeaky. I found that newcomer Mr. Slim was one-fourth of an inch narrower than ol’ Mr. Squeaky, and that the rubber was much stiffer, too. This seemed like a good thing. Maybe the rubber on Mr. Slim would clear the shields and provide firm, dampened support like it is supposed to. I put it all together one more time (how many times now ?? ugh) and lo and behold, it worked like a charm. Well, except the alignment was off a little (the flanges of the shields were not parallel to the metal stamping, so the rubber isolater was distorted a little). So I shimmed the front attaching bolt a little at the crossmember support bracket, then it was prefect. Below are pics comparing the two different isolators; Mr. Squeaky on the left and Mr. Slim on the right. Quite a difference.

Left - National Driveshaft Support Bearing, Part No. HB206FF (from O’Reilly’s)
Right - Balkamp Driveshaft Center Support Rubber, Part No. BK 6021087 (from NAPA)

So in conclusion, I probably should have bought the NAPA thing right off the bat, left the original bearing alone, and saved myself almost 50 bucks and a lot of troubleshooting. I’m going to take back the O’Reilly stuff next time I visit them (minus bearing) and see what they will or won’t do. After much ado, the finished installation is shown below.

Support brng, u-joints………............$.85.88
Rear u-joint……………………............…….38.05
Driveshaft center support rubber …..…11.84
Hardware, grease, wire wheel……....….20.53

Total……………...............……...………$ 156.30

Added info on 7/8/11: O'Reilly's gave me a refund for the entire purchase amount of the support bearing, even without the bearing (it's pressed on and I was not of a mind to remove it and get another). Thank you very much O'Reilly's.

Old Total..............................$.156.30
Less refund.............................(46.32)

New Total..............................$109.98

[plummen]

Looks like theres a whole bunch of us with the same truck same color even!
Mine was in a lot rougher shape then yours to start with ,but since im retired again ive got plenty of time on my hands.
Im going the 4x4 route with mine to make it easier to find parts,and since it snows a lot here in nebraska.The picture of the other truck brings back lots of memories since i was a plumbing/boiler/electrical contractor and ran a lot of back hoes over the years,the guy i inherited the truck from taught me to work on boilers years ago so it must be a sign from above!
Im going to have the complete rolling 3/4t 2 wheel drive chassis out from under the truck including 4 speed sitting in my driveway this weekend hopefully including a decent 8' box if anybody needs it its free to a good home to anybody that wants to haul it off give me a call 402-321-4003 jim