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Old 12-26-2017, 02:40 PM   #1
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well, I for one would like to see where this "higher skill" is. as I mentioned in another chinese manufactoring thread, there quality is somewhere between junk and crap....
bought a bar-b-q 3 months ago. after much searching and reading reviews and seeing what my buddy's bought, I went and got a Weber. Made in the US, well built, 10 yr warranty. after 2 months of fantastic grilling with it, the ignitor just up and died. weird, made in America, and only lasts 2 months???
lady at Weber says i'll send you a whole new ignitor system, free of charge, under warranty- cool!
now I know why the ignitor only lasted 2 months- made in china. cant belive Weber is putting their name on a product that lasts 2 months, not good for your reputation.
wondering how long the new ignitor will last....
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Just take a close look at that high priced new car you've bought!
Surprize!
Most of or many of the parts were made elsewhere and assembled elsewhere!
Yes,even your GM product!And Ford and Chrysler!
Now,tell me again why we are losing our jobs?
Because we buy that overseas made stuff!
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Old 12-26-2017, 03:22 PM   #3
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America has done this to itself. Everybody wants something for nothing, and the businesses here have listened and outsourced labor to give them just that.
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America has done this to itself. Everybody wants something for nothing, and the businesses here have listened and outsourced labor to give them just that.
Absolutely true.
Anyone who shops Walmart or harbour freight is, for the better part,.... part of this cycle.
As we all quietly know, the wallet often rules the day and the choice....

That said, with every passing year of 'outsourcing' to these countries their improving economies pushes their wages and salaries higher....which will make it increasingly tougher and tougher for them to offer super cheap stuff or labor.

As a result, there will be a tipping point...and the labor market here in North America will return to providing better value relative to product cost.
Unfortunately the north american unionized work model has done itself in since the '70's and is due for a complete tear down, rebuild and rebirth for a modern, competitive economy.

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Old 12-26-2017, 09:24 PM   #6
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Not true.
We as citizens didn't do it to ourselves.
The people we voted into office did it to us years ago. One word (well, maybe it's four ) Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Google it.
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We as citizens didn't do it to ourselves.
The people we voted into office did it to us years ago. One word (well, maybe it's four ) Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Google it.
Technically, your both right.
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Not true.
We as citizens didn't do it to ourselves.
The people we voted into office did it to us years ago. One word (well, maybe it's four ) Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Google it.
It is 100% true whether you believe it or not. The people you vote into office are ALL liars and hustlers...it amazes me how many people still believe the crap that comes out of their mouths

Just read some of the threads on this board. “What’s the cheapest way?” “How cheap can I get this for?” The main consideration is cost and the lowest cost wins. Cheap cheap cheap, like a little bird Yep, WE did this to ourselves.
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It is 100% true whether you believe it or not. The people you vote into office are ALL liars and hustlers...it amazes me how many people still believe the crap that comes out of their mouths

Just read some of the threads on this board. “What’s the cheapest way?” “How cheap can I get this for?” The main consideration is cost and the lowest cost wins. Cheap cheap cheap, like a little bird Yep, WE did this to ourselves.
Well said. I agree.
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Man, this thread got a lot heavier than I intended.

I thought we would just exchange American Made goods finds.

I could rant forever about the political facet of this, but we should probably go to a "news" website for that.
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I remember as a youngster seeing Globe Master tools in grocerie stores ,, they were cheap and lots of people liked cheap tools .. they bent and broke and came loose but every one kept buying them,, pretty sure the were Japenese made

so ,,if thats when the big companies tested us to see if we would continue buying them cheap tools ,,they for sure got us doing it now ,, Except its mostly China ..

I like the thought mentioned above about when the Chinese workers start getting higher wages ,,then that will maybe bring the making of a lot of products that we buy from over there to right here ,, might not be in my life time ,,but sometime
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Unfortunitely by then we may have to import workers to do the work as many places cant find workers that can pass a drug test now .
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I agree that people wanting to save pennies no matter where the product came from really helped, but it's the chicken or egg syndrome. It is more the prospect of greater profits that took our jobs overseas. YES, and saving a few pennies is what made people fall for it. If we were paying a price proportionate to cost of production we would be paying '50s prices for everything. Then hellya, we'd be looking to save that much! I don't see "made in China" making my Levis cost any less. I see no change in cost. What I see are jeans made with a denim of what seems to be 1/2 the weight that don't perform as well at all. They cheapened the quality while reducing their cost to produce to a fraction. It's Mr Big Fat Cat up top getting richer yet that is the problem and we are here to serve them. Our untrustworthy politicians and those guys are one in the same. They play golf together, which they write off as a business expense, with all the expendable income they have from paying a lower tax rate than we who support this country.

I go to Walmart now because this is after the fact and resisting is counter productive. What's done is done. I resisted for years using these new big box stores in favor of small local business (still do). Our dollar is buying less and less while daily expenses keep going up. Utility bills now equal more than I used to pay for rent with utilities included. We aren't making a proportionately larger income. I have protected the American worker with every purchase and service that is possible. Always did and always will.
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I bought two of the Sinatras and opened one for tasting on special occasions. It's good stuff.
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Might like Toby Keith he sings made in America likely wrote the song there.
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It's cold and I'm sure glad I have Pendleton and Woolrich blankets on the beds. The woodstove made in Vermont is keeping me warm with local fuel wood. Been staying close to home this week. Doing some woodwork, got all my USA Delta shop tools out. I look at my woodworking tool collection and it is almost all made in USA. The exceptions are specialty tools only made by that company. None from any of the recently most popular country of products being sold, or others. There have always been certain things from other countries known for being the best available. I'm into preserving and protecting USA labor and products, but I never believed no other country has the right to make and sell things same as we do.
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I look at my woodworking tool collection and it is almost all made in USA.
All my woodworking handtools are pre 1905 Buck bros. that my father collected and left to me. they pretty good tools. John Buck started in Sheffield but came to U.S. and started company.Ethan Allen was one of his first hires.
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I have been shopping for acoustic/electric guitars.

I can buy a very nice sounding Ibanez (Japanese company) for $330.00 or a used USA made Martin for $1,500.

I have been dragging my feet on this one.
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I have been shopping for acoustic/electric guitars.

I can buy a very nice sounding Ibanez (Japanese company) for $330.00 or a used USA made Martin for $1,500.

I have been dragging my feet on this one.
Neither. Get a Fender, their factory is right here in Corona
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Neither. Get a Fender, their factory is right here in Corona
Good to know.

I have a Fender Stratocaster, Made in Mexico. It's nice guitar. They have a custom built Strat at the music shop I would like to have.
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Neither. Get a Fender, their factory is right here in Corona
I dont think fender can make a decent acous/elec , I swear by my taylor
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Neither. Get a Fender, their factory is right here in Corona
I have a Gretsch. Also made in Corona. I have a Fender acoustic as well. I want to get an electric/acoustic But I've got a bunch of guitars already, and a bunch of Fender amps. (and a bunch of others) Too many. At least that's what my wife tells me.

I read an article about a couple that tried to buy only American products for one year. They almost made it. But when Christmas came around. Their child just had to have some toy. And they caved. They couldn't say no. And I don't blame them. Making a point is one thing. But disappointing a kid? I would have folded on that one too.
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Snap-on.
I'm a weekender mechanic so don't "need" the best' But I work with guys who do and they have a lot of snap-on gear. I have to admit the tools feel nice, and seem to fit the nut better.
If you think Snap-on is expensive to begin with, Try buying them from a Canadian dealer. But they are US made right ? Canadas biggest trading partner ? That's gotta be worth a premium.
I was almost at the point of buying a several hundred dollar 3/8" drive socket set when I noticed the "Made in USA" stamp that was on all the older sockets that I had amired, Was nowhere to be seen on the new stuff. Hmmmmmmm
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Just never buy one online , gotta get your hands on them, you can feel the edges and such and feel the playability. I send mine to my bro in NH, he lives by one of the best luthiers in the country.
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