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blackdiesel · 11-08-2009, 09:01 AM

No mod to the latch. Don't want to sell anything, Just tring to help guy's out from getting ripped off, like we have in the past. I think just the shipping from brothers for dad's was 80 bucks. That's half the cost of the parts needed to do the job. Not to counting the $400 for the parts. You can get the same stuff for $160 from your local glass shop.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 09:47 AM

Here's a quick pic of what has to be done to the metal tracks in the door.

From hearing what Brian and his dad said about the brothers kit It has no metal track for the flexible window track to sit in to the front. So it just flops and that why the doors rattle and window can come out of the track. Guys with the brothers kits may want to look into adding that to there doors.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 09:56 AM

back track has 6 spot welds to drill out. 4 bottom and 2 top.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 09:57 AM

The vid should show this stuff better.

blackdiesel · 11-08-2009, 10:00 AM

you was doin a good job jared, keep postin pics. lol

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:01 AM

Here's the track out and the bottom plate was removed so we just had the metal track.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:08 AM

Missed the pic of getting the hole marked and cut, but it's the same location as were it originally was, just moving it out about a 1/4". It was tacked in place just at the top. We did need to tweek it later.

Note the top of the track is now move up just to were it clears the nut for the latch.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackdiesel

you was doin a good job jared, keep postin pics. lol

I did miss some stuff that is talked about on the vid. It was pretty easy to miss some pics as we were running around alot looking at all the other cars and truck you and your family has.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:23 AM

Here is a pic I missed but the window regulator needs to be trimmed. One of the arms is bent into a channel. the part circled needs have the channel trimmed down flat. It will bind up with the front metal track if not flattend out. I'll try to get a better pic later on this.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:32 AM

Once the front track was done we layed the glass on the door to find the position of the front track. Another missed pic.

On mine we just drilled another set of holes for the front track. Brian's dad's truck he extended the mounting bracket to use the factory holes. I guess if your doors are already painted you may want to do that. The top will be held by the flexible track so it's just loose.

Here is is close to where it needed to be.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:43 AM

The part that holds the glass needs to be trimmed up.

here

and here

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 10:48 AM

Next the window roller track needs to lengthened forgot how much but 3 3/4 sound right.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 11:00 AM

That's all the pics I've got on all the mods. Bending the flexible window track is tricky but just take your time. I have not done the window felts but it just takes some bending and fitting. The rest is just putting it all back together. Some tweaking will be needed. Plus watch the vid for more info.

OrrieG · 11-08-2009, 02:41 PM

You have got me thinking. I always thought you had to weld in a filler at the front of the window frame to use single glass. Correct me if I'm wrong but assuming I already have to replace all the weather striping, channel felts, etc. Is the only other cost the glass? And labor for modification? From looking at the photo "doormod" it appears like the factory mechanism is designed to pivot the glass around the front as it drops. It also looks like the front channel is NOT parallel to the back to allow for the glass being narrower at the bottom, right?

I rebuilt my regulators before so they are good and I have spare door guts from two other doors. I have mine completely disassembled and it does not look like that much work. One of my vents windows is broken and the drivers glass is pretty scratched up from 40 years of scraping ice off it so it was going to be replaced too.

blackdiesel · 11-08-2009, 06:43 PM

It's all in what you like, some like wings, and some don't. cost and time about the same. The one piece might be cheaper. It's real easy to do, just takes alittle time to get it all ajusted, but no biggie. Got the vidio all edited, 18min. I'm tring youtube one more time. a part 1 and part 2. we will see if it works

my67chevytruck · 11-08-2009, 07:30 PM

looking forward to the vid. Thanks for the writeup gentlemen!

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 08:06 PM

I took the door apart again to take a pic of what was done to the window regulator. Here is all that need to be trimmed off.

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrrieG

From looking at the photo "doormod" it appears like the factory mechanism is designed to pivot the glass around the front as it drops. It also looks like the front channel is NOT parallel to the back to allow for the glass being narrower at the bottom, right?

The glass doesn't pivot, it's more of a slides on the rollers back to front as it goes up.

The front channel is leaned in at the bottom some but the pic angle makes it look more.

OrrieG · 11-08-2009, 08:18 PM

Thanks, I remember now how the mechanism works, rollers move horizontally as window is moved up and down. Did you just weld on the 3" roller extension?

GRIMSS · 11-08-2009, 08:24 PM

Yes blackdiesel did just weld that. I think it's more than 3. here's it together.

blackdiesel · 11-08-2009, 08:46 PM

any youtube gurus on here?!? i saved my vid to what they reccomended as far as formats go, but it says estimated time left is over 10 hours.... and thats for only half of the installation!!! and even if you leave it to upload it will fail within the hour. Jared is trying to get the pattern for the glass made into a PDF, so we wont have to ship the patterns anymore. so i need to get this uploaded to the net so i wont have to worry about it. HELP

OrrieG · 11-08-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRIMSS

Yes blackdiesel did just weld that. I think it's more than 3. here's it together.

Is the hole on the left just because it was in the piece or needed to mount to the regulator?? Can't wait to see the video.

blackdiesel · 11-08-2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrrieG

Is the hole on the left just because it was in the piece or needed to mount to the regulator?? Can't wait to see the video.

the hole you are referring to was simply in the piece i needed to lengthen the track. it is not used during installation

OrrieG · 11-09-2009, 01:06 AM

Thanks for patiently answering all the questions, can't wait to see the video.

blackdiesel · 11-10-2009, 12:45 AM

i finally got fed up and split it up into five ~4 minute videos. they seem to be uploading to youtube okay. i am on the 3rd as of right now. with any luck ill be able to post them to this thread in the A.M. stay tuned!

(hope the quality is decent! i loathe grainy vids...)

11-08-2009, 09:01 AM	#51
blackdiesel Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Omaha, Arkansas Posts: 929	Re: 55-57 one piece windows No mod to the latch. Don't want to sell anything, Just tring to help guy's out from getting ripped off, like we have in the past. I think just the shipping from brothers for dad's was 80 bucks. That's half the cost of the parts needed to do the job. Not to counting the $400 for the parts. You can get the same stuff for $160 from your local glass shop. __________________ '57 Chevy Pickup '56 GMC LCF Cummins '38 Chrysler Royal '57 2wd change http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=speedway

11-08-2009, 09:47 AM	#52
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Here's a quick pic of what has to be done to the metal tracks in the door. From hearing what Brian and his dad said about the brothers kit It has no metal track for the flexible window track to sit in to the front. So it just flops and that why the doors rattle and window can come out of the track. Guys with the brothers kits may want to look into adding that to there doors. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 09:56 AM	#53
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows back track has 6 spot welds to drill out. 4 bottom and 2 top. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 09:57 AM	#54
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows The vid should show this stuff better. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 10:00 AM	#55
blackdiesel Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Omaha, Arkansas Posts: 929	Re: 55-57 one piece windows you was doin a good job jared, keep postin pics. lol __________________ '57 Chevy Pickup '56 GMC LCF Cummins '38 Chrysler Royal '57 2wd change http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=speedway Last edited by blackdiesel; 11-08-2009 at 10:00 AM.

11-08-2009, 10:01 AM	#56
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Here's the track out and the bottom plate was removed so we just had the metal track. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared Last edited by GRIMSS; 11-08-2009 at 10:02 AM.

11-08-2009, 10:08 AM	#57
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Missed the pic of getting the hole marked and cut, but it's the same location as were it originally was, just moving it out about a 1/4". It was tacked in place just at the top. We did need to tweek it later. Note the top of the track is now move up just to were it clears the nut for the latch. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared Last edited by GRIMSS; 11-08-2009 at 10:17 AM.

11-08-2009, 10:23 AM	#59
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Here is a pic I missed but the window regulator needs to be trimmed. One of the arms is bent into a channel. the part circled needs have the channel trimmed down flat. It will bind up with the front metal track if not flattend out. I'll try to get a better pic later on this. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared Last edited by GRIMSS; 11-08-2009 at 10:25 AM.

11-08-2009, 10:32 AM	#60
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Once the front track was done we layed the glass on the door to find the position of the front track. Another missed pic. On mine we just drilled another set of holes for the front track. Brian's dad's truck he extended the mounting bracket to use the factory holes. I guess if your doors are already painted you may want to do that. The top will be held by the flexible track so it's just loose. Here is is close to where it needed to be. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared Last edited by GRIMSS; 11-08-2009 at 10:35 AM.

11-08-2009, 10:43 AM	#61
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows The part that holds the glass needs to be trimmed up. here and here __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 10:48 AM	#62
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Next the window roller track needs to lengthened forgot how much but 3 3/4 sound right. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 11:00 AM	#63
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows That's all the pics I've got on all the mods. Bending the flexible window track is tricky but just take your time. I have not done the window felts but it just takes some bending and fitting. The rest is just putting it all back together. Some tweaking will be needed. Plus watch the vid for more info. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared Last edited by GRIMSS; 11-08-2009 at 11:00 AM.

11-08-2009, 02:41 PM	#64
OrrieG Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 8,800	Re: 55-57 one piece windows You have got me thinking. I always thought you had to weld in a filler at the front of the window frame to use single glass. Correct me if I'm wrong but assuming I already have to replace all the weather striping, channel felts, etc. Is the only other cost the glass? And labor for modification? From looking at the photo "doormod" it appears like the factory mechanism is designed to pivot the glass around the front as it drops. It also looks like the front channel is NOT parallel to the back to allow for the glass being narrower at the bottom, right? I rebuilt my regulators before so they are good and I have spare door guts from two other doors. I have mine completely disassembled and it does not look like that much work. One of my vents windows is broken and the drivers glass is pretty scratched up from 40 years of scraping ice off it so it was going to be replaced too. __________________ 1959 Chevy Short Fleetside w/ 74 4WD drive train (current project) OrrieG Build Thread 1964 Chevelle Malibu w/ 355-350TH (daily driver) Helpful AD and TF Manual Site Old Car Manual Project Last edited by OrrieG; 11-08-2009 at 02:49 PM.

11-08-2009, 06:43 PM	#65
blackdiesel Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Omaha, Arkansas Posts: 929	Re: 55-57 one piece windows It's all in what you like, some like wings, and some don't. cost and time about the same. The one piece might be cheaper. It's real easy to do, just takes alittle time to get it all ajusted, but no biggie. Got the vidio all edited, 18min. I'm tring youtube one more time. a part 1 and part 2. we will see if it works __________________ '57 Chevy Pickup '56 GMC LCF Cummins '38 Chrysler Royal '57 2wd change http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=speedway

11-08-2009, 07:30 PM	#66
my67chevytruck Under Construction Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midlothian,TX (DFW) Posts: 4,555	Re: 55-57 one piece windows looking forward to the vid. Thanks for the writeup gentlemen! __________________ Heath subscribe to the board here: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=157669 FAQ how to's 1956 Chevy Apache 1967 C10 SWB FleetSide (under construction) 1969 K10 SWB FleetSide (Future Build) 1972 C10 SWB Stepside (Future Build) 56 chevy truck : http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2955823/1 67 truck build: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=281357/1 69 k10: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=389470



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11-08-2009, 08:06 PM	#67
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows I took the door apart again to take a pic of what was done to the window regulator. Here is all that need to be trimmed off. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 08:18 PM	#69
OrrieG Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 8,800	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Thanks, I remember now how the mechanism works, rollers move horizontally as window is moved up and down. Did you just weld on the 3" roller extension? __________________ 1959 Chevy Short Fleetside w/ 74 4WD drive train (current project) OrrieG Build Thread 1964 Chevelle Malibu w/ 355-350TH (daily driver) Helpful AD and TF Manual Site Old Car Manual Project

11-08-2009, 08:24 PM	#70
GRIMSS --------------- Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 1,791	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Yes blackdiesel did just weld that. I think it's more than 3. here's it together. __________________ 2001 GMC SIERRA 1956 Chevy Panel *Build Page* with a Scott's Hotrods IFS 1953 Chevy trucks *Project Dime Time* 1968 Camaro 1968 Volksrod "NOBACK" 55-59 one piece window *Video* 55-59 one piece window *template files* Jared

11-08-2009, 08:46 PM	#71
blackdiesel Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Omaha, Arkansas Posts: 929	Re: 55-57 one piece windows any youtube gurus on here?!? i saved my vid to what they reccomended as far as formats go, but it says estimated time left is over 10 hours.... and thats for only half of the installation!!! and even if you leave it to upload it will fail within the hour. Jared is trying to get the pattern for the glass made into a PDF, so we wont have to ship the patterns anymore. so i need to get this uploaded to the net so i wont have to worry about it. HELP __________________ '57 Chevy Pickup '56 GMC LCF Cummins '38 Chrysler Royal '57 2wd change http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=speedway Last edited by blackdiesel; 11-08-2009 at 08:46 PM.

11-09-2009, 01:06 AM	#74
OrrieG Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 8,800	Re: 55-57 one piece windows Thanks for patiently answering all the questions, can't wait to see the video. __________________ 1959 Chevy Short Fleetside w/ 74 4WD drive train (current project) OrrieG Build Thread 1964 Chevelle Malibu w/ 355-350TH (daily driver) Helpful AD and TF Manual Site Old Car Manual Project

11-10-2009, 12:45 AM	#75
blackdiesel Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Omaha, Arkansas Posts: 929	Re: 55-57 one piece windows i finally got fed up and split it up into five ~4 minute videos. they seem to be uploading to youtube okay. i am on the 3rd as of right now. with any luck ill be able to post them to this thread in the A.M. stay tuned! (hope the quality is decent! i loathe grainy vids...) __________________ '57 Chevy Pickup '56 GMC LCF Cummins '38 Chrysler Royal '57 2wd change http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...light=speedway

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