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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Good looking truck congrats...
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
I pull seatbelts all the time. The majority of them have a date code that preceeds the truck by one year....nearly every 67 set I have pulled have 66 on the tags.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Door tag is there but unreadable where build date is. I'll have to look at the vin and see when it may have been built.
On a separate note, got the engine out and its ready to tear down! Tranny had cranberry colored fluid and engine shows no rust in distrubutor area or in valve covers yet that I can see. Engine code is V021OTRL. Do you think that is original? Sure looks like it was never out of the truck. Here's a pic of it out
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Just found the following on the z28 site: http://www.nastyz28.com/gm-chevy-cod...s-suffix-8.php
TRL 1972 350 conv. cab, a/t - 175hp 4bbl model K-20 Looks right to me! Also the sticker on valve cover says it was built in 1972. Now I just hope it passes the magnaflux test. I am kinda into the numbers matching thing on this truck since it's so stock.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Hey that fuel filter is not stock either. Great find, especially for your neck-o-tha woods
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Here we go, I guess I'm down the road of rebuilding this truck. I definitely don't need more to do at the moment, however, I really just want to work on it- I cant help myself. Goal is to fully overhual driveline and get it running by spring unless I decide to frame off restore it
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Diesel fuel, and let it soak for a while. Sweet find BTW!
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Heres an oldtimer trick that I have used on many a tractor restoration and it almost never fails me....
Take 2 cups of either fuel oil/kerosene/diesel fuel and pour in stuck bore on top of piston. Let it soak for the night.... Come back the next day and if there is still a 1/2 inch or more on top of the pistion (add if needed) light the remaining fluid. It is smoky so make sure you have good ventilation. Might be a trick to get it lighted so I have used what the old timer had told me (corncob) or ive used my oxyacetylene torch with success... Now the magic happens... as the flame above the fuel oil gets hot it expands the cylinder wall/bore. The unburned fuel oil keeps heat off the piston. After a little while you will hear a POP or a TINK as the cylinder bore separates enough to break the rust bond and all the remaining liquid fuel oil will drain past the rings.... Now a couple light taps with a round block of wood, and roundy round the crank will spin freely once again!!!! I just did thsi last fall on a farmall M engine that was stuck in our school shop... worked like a charm.... Good luck from up north.... we shoudl try to hook up one of these days!!! --Mike
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
PB Blaster works well if you don't have diesel around too. let either of them work for at least over night and then try it again.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Jud,
I'd say to roll the block upside down so you have at least some bore below the pistons and full up what you can with Ed's Red. Cover to reduce evap. and use a recovery tub to contain the mess. Or since you are going to like this stuff, make about half a drum or so and soak the whole motor http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Thanks guys, I've got it soaking in some 3 in one penetrating oil for now until I try your ideas this weekend
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Why do people take the time to block out a license plate number on a picture, when thousands of people will see it as you drive down the road.. Its not a credit card number?
And BTW Nice score, im Jealous!
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
While its soaking heres a couple more pics. The tcase and trans had the hardest grease, tar and clay on there I've ever encountered. It was unreal the way it baked on there. Took 3 hours with warm water pressure washer, 2 degreasers, putty knife, screwdriver, laquer thinner to get it off. At least I can now see the bolts. I did find "20" and "81" scribed in chalk on here though, i assume that was an assembly marking. I still need to chip some residual spots of grime off with a hammer and screwdriver... Unless I just put the sandblaster attachement I got from Northern on the pressure washer. Still has the original orange on tcase and black paint on the shifter mechanism. The clay formed a protective cocoon
Back to the engine, The step at TDC is about 0.010" (0.020" diameter difference) I'd guess. I wonder how much I can punch this thing out to get through the rust pitting? Only one cylinder has significant pitting.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Good progress....the flaming cylinder thing is a great trick, never heard that before.
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Not sure on the license plate thing either, guess it doesn't hurt to block it out. Also I didn't have the title in hand so i was extra careful. Probably didn't need to since the last registration was 30 years ago ![]()
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
tkeduk8r, that's a great idea!
As far as PB Blaster, I have never had any luck with it as far as trying to get engines un stuck. Diesel fuel and ATF and mineral spirits have worked decently for us. But the flaming diesel sounds like it would be the ticket ! ![]() I had a truck that had that same concrete grease on it all over the bottom side. I feel your pain for getting it off! Keep up the great work!
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
I can't believe you dropped the t-case, trans and drive shaft as a unit - you are a REAL man!
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Well guys, so far no luck with the fire method... I let it burn a good 15 mins and heard plenty of "tinks" but no fluid drained past any piston and no movement after hitting each piston pretty hard with a block of wood and hammer. Think I'll let it sit while I deliver a windmill and think some more. It doesn't look that rusty so I'm surprised it won't move. Maybe i'll unbolt the couple of pistons I can and see if they won't tap out the top?
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
You very well could have more than one stuck so you might want to let more than just that one soak and see what happens.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
I use Brakleen to cut that greasy crust off the drivetrain. It melts it right off. With the stuck cylinders,sounds like some great remedies. At least you don't have to worry about ruining the pistons since you definitely need to overbore.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Pistons are out! I was able to unbolt most and tap a few mm's to get the bond broken but some wouldn't slide very far until I got it to spin due to clearance issues. All except 2 unbolted before it would spin, that was a nice feeling to see the crank turn. I think the fire method definitely helped since they seemed to slide right away when tapping on them unbolted. Course I had a steel rod and a 3lb hammer to do some coaxing. made me nervous tapping near the crank journals but I didn't touch it once with rod or hammer.
Speaking of the crank, there is some staining (rust) on there, but not enough to feel with fingernail. I'm assuming it would need to be reground? If so, that may make the stroker a more attractive option since I can't just use crank as is. Maybe steel wool (ultra fine) it if I have nothing to loose? Also, the bores look better than I thought they would, may not have to bore too much. Actually, it looks like bore amount may be dictated by the lines in the walls (see horizontal lines in 3rd pic). I think those are from the rings when I smacked with the hammer and wood block? I was surprised to see that! thought the walls would be more resilient than that.
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Re: 72 K20 been parked for 31 years!!
Well, ya got it apart now... might as well do it right the first time.
...that project looks like a whole lotta fun....I am still wondering where you got squirrels small enough to get acorns in the exhaust ports |
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