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02-21-2011, 12:58 AM | #1 |
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Re: '66 Sunbeam Minx Project - F20C/6sp/4-link/Discs...
AHEM frizzle...
it is hard to live vicariously through your productivity when there is none. jeesh now i have to go out to the shop tomorrow and get some crap done.. thanks..! NOT hahaha
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02-22-2011, 02:25 AM | #3 |
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Pics taken of rear susp work today. SD card reader isn't cooperating. Will try again tomorrow.
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02-22-2011, 04:29 PM | #4 |
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Here we go!
Where to start... Well, I calculated the optimal mounting angle for the coilovers at 7*. I considered several lower coilover mount designs and eventually landed on the simple approach of directly saddling the lower links. With that lower position I had to do side-notch the "frame" for clearance in order to achieve the 7* mount angle. Here's the driver's side notch and scab plates (don't mind the burn-through ...it will be closed up) Passenger side notch (old shock mount not fully cleaned up yet) Notches from below - DS: PS (those are 1/8" plates bent on the press brake) Coilover placement - The lower links to the axle housing will use Del-Sphere pivot joints so side-to-side axle articulation will not cause binding with this lateral lower coilover mount bushing: What's left of the S2000 tower (removed w/ a 5" holesaw) Beginning of template: |
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Is your plan to attach the lower mount directly to the lower link? I know you've probably thought it out and feel safe with it but my overkill nature says that's not a good idea. That will be putting the entire weight of the car, (plus any other vertical stresses), on that threaded link end? I'd think it'd be a lot stronger to extend the "ears" of the link bracket, (welded to the rear end housing), forward to mount the lower part of the coilover? Looks like there's room to do that and still keep the mounting point really close to where you have it now, just mounted to the rearend housing instead of the lower link. Forgive my butchery of your art. LOL I'm sure you can make it pretty in steel! Ya know, I hate 4 doors, 4 cylinders, and ricers, but I love this car! Absolutely great work FF!
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I hear what you are saying, but using lower links as lower spring or bag mounts is not a concept I can claim as my own. Here are a few examples: It is a 3/4-16 thread with a good 1.5" threaded into the link. The lower links are 1.25" stainless with thick walls (don't have the exact wall thickness handy). In sticking with my theme of using "bolt ons" from the S2000 and to overcome packaging limitations in doing so, this was the cleanest/simplest solution. Since the mount is all the way to one end I see no need for reinforcement of the tube as I would if it were closer to the center. [IMG]http://www.*****************/jason/images/c10sc55.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.*****************/jason/images/c10sc58.jpg[/IMG] Last edited by Frizzle Fry; 02-23-2011 at 02:42 AM. |
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Yea, I gues it does! Hahaha In this case anyway!
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I'm not an engineer by any stretch, but spherical rod ends, (or any threaded end link style), are designed for push/pull strength. I know there's a word for this but I can't find it in my head....LOL) Putting the stress 90 degrees to the direction of the threads, (insert another one of those technical words here), is a bolt's weakest point, (or link in this case). Personal example; I have a Yamaha 4 wheeler with aftermarket extended width a-arms on the front. The a-arms use Volkswagon tie rod ends for ball joints. Those tie rod end are just not designed to be stressed that way and I've broken 2. The second one broke at about 60-70 mph across a pasture. It really got my attention when the a-arm dropped and started plowing dirt! Luckily the pasture was good and hard or I might by typing this with my teeth from the comfort of a wheeled chair... Hahaha I've since redrilled the a-arms to use bigger Ford courier tie rod ends....Still tie rod ends but at least bigger... Don't mean to sound like the "safety police"... LOL Like I said, I just have a overkill fetish.
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BTW - I had no idea that stock S2000 coilovers came with resevoirs. In the aftermarket that is big money, or atleast twice the cost of coilovers without reservoirs. Very cool! |
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02-22-2011, 04:50 PM | #9 |
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Looking good! So when are you going to be carving corners with this sleeper?
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02-22-2011, 10:36 PM | #11 |
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wow... impressive again!.
way better then just dropping a tubechassis into it and tying into the sub frame.. once again super impressed... freaking show off hahaha
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in hindsight i think a space frame would've been easier still easier i he hid it inside the door jambs and pillars compared with Wat he did so far
pretty amazing stuff , I'm going to wonder if the flexing of the body will affect the ride in anyway , you might end up installing some stiffening plates after driving it for a while
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02-23-2011, 03:55 AM | #13 |
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I appreciate it and welcome the feedback. I'll have to consult some "experts." Perhaps drill/tap and go to a bigger rod-end when I change over to pivot joints.
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02-23-2011, 04:00 AM | #14 |
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Awesomeness!!!
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nicely done, great progress!
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Thanks guys. Feels good to make some real progress. Can't wait to see it back on all four. Here's the cliff's notes version of the tower fab:
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02-25-2011, 11:25 AM | #17 |
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I guess it IS only metal... Nice work again!
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Well, just three days short of the 24 month mark for this thread (the project is actually past that by a couple months already )...
It's down off the jack stands for the first time! well kinda, but first... The right rear tower - Got so excited to see it down on the floor I forgot to get finished shots ...but if you've seen the other side you've might be able to imagine what it looks like: Lower coilover mount: Tried to get tires mounted today but they were back ordered ... No matter, I had to see the stance! Could go a tad lower but that's far better than being too low to begin with. Spring rate feels a bit high so I'll likely get lighter coils which may bing it down some. I'll wait to see how she sits with everything back together, fluids, etc, and some break-in miles. But for now... Last edited by Frizzle Fry; 03-03-2011 at 02:50 AM. |
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Awesome! Looks fantastic!
I'm sure you're excited! I am too because it means you're closer to working on the tahoe
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03-03-2011, 03:23 AM | #23 |
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now come paint and wiring!
it's gonna beinteresting seeing you hide all the bundles. and did i overlook the brake system? hehe were allways hungry for more!
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i think the stance is good as it is , the wheel sits nicely centered in the arch and it adds a bit to the sleeper look .
you can drive it over speedbumps comfortably without scraping the oilpan/exaust/floor couldnt you mount some sort of screwrings like those raceshocks to lower it when needed ?
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this is just going to be the COOLEST car EVER !!
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