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08-26-2012, 05:44 AM | #1 |
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Thats a great looking parts pile you've got going there! These mods are really going to make a difference in the performance of your truck. Cool stuff!
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08-26-2012, 09:46 PM | #2 |
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Started some front-end tear-down today. Pulled the steering box to send back to RedHead as a core and the last pic is the 1.25 front sway bar, poly bushings, and ECE mounts for sale here to help recoup some more mod money. Also had a heck of a time removing the power steering pump- seems the pulley didn't want to separate from the shaft, but I finally won the battle...
Last time we'll see it look like this--shame, I feel like I just rebuilt all of this stuff not too long ago
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08-27-2012, 11:50 AM | #3 |
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I think George Jetson sent you those "Astro" rotors. Can't wait to see all the parts move from the living room to the truck!
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08-27-2012, 01:15 PM | #4 |
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It is good to read allot of progress is going on here and that it looks to be going awesome! I cant wait to hear the feedback from all of this work!
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08-27-2012, 01:22 PM | #5 |
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Nice progress, bet you can't wait for those porterbuilt arms to show up so you can get everything back together. Interested in seeing how that Redhead steering box works out for you, I want to upgrade mine as well.
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Wow $215, now I am really interested
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08-27-2012, 03:51 PM | #7 |
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Yeah, $216 plus $85 core, plus $32 shipping, netted me a $333 initial outlay--but subtract the $70 core return (after paying $15 to ship it back) and it's roughly $260. Still ~$100 cheaper than the AGR ($350 plus shipping) when it's all said and done. Those that live close to them can walk in with their old box and $216 and walk out with new. Another cool thing is that they will do custom requests, i.e; variable or quick ratio, different paint, etc, for no charge and with only a 24 hour turnaround. May get it mounted soon, pending available time...
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Remind me again on your drop specs please? I'm eyeballing your shocks. Would they work on a 4.5/ 6 in static? I'm thinking those same part numbers for the ole GMC..
The specs are probably in the 33 pages somewhere and I looked, I promise I just didn't see it. I may just do the same shocks for mine.
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08-27-2012, 04:24 PM | #9 |
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I hope you are making a complete parts list for me. I know when I get to the point of driving my truck I will want to upgrade everything like you are doing. I also know you are always looking for the most economical solution to get it done. Keep up the good work.
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In the front, the stock replacement 33033 Monroes are good until aired-out, in my experience, while using the stock lower control arms and stock style frame mounted studs. This is also the exact same shock that ART ships with their basic bag kits. The Bilsteins should have similar extended/compressed dimensions, but I will need to measure to verify and set mounts and/or bumpstops to accomodate. Out back, stock replacement 32301 'blue' Monroes again, with the aforementioned 2" blocks, which effectively give you 2" more shock travel plus ECE shock relocators. I have aired-out completely into the CPP bolt-in notches to the bumpstops without bottoming the shocks out. The Bilsteins are a few tenths shorter by my guesstimates- again, I need to verify compressed/extended lengths. All of this to say: They might work for you, depending on your setup. I will post more information on what I have to do to make them work as I get to that point. .....Just remembered--you're running the Hotchkis springs, right? These are the exact part# they ship with the TVS, but with their relocation brackets..... Quote:
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I had planned on doing this sometime soon, but all the talk of shock lengths got me curious, so I broke out the tape measure. Here's what I found: -----------------(F)--Bilstein 24-192941--------Monroe 33033 Extended----------------15 1/2-------------------14 5/8 Compressed-------------10 3/8--------------------10 1/8 Travel-------------------5 1/8---------------------4 1/2 -----------------(R)--Bilstein 24-002486--------Monroe 32301 Extended----------------18 7/16-------------------18 1/4 Compressed--------------12 3/16-------------------11 7/8 Travel--------------------6 1/4---------------------6 3/8 Of note: the Bilstein measurements are mine, the Monroe measurements are taken from their online catalog. The measurements I'm most concerned with here are the compressed lengths, due to my lowered suspension, and therefore shorter distance between shock mounts. The Bilstein fronts are 1/4" longer and the rears are 5/16" longer, compared to their Monroe counterparts. Not a dramatic difference, but enough to warrant double-checking that I won't bottom them out when I whack a pothole or speedbump. The relatively small difference shouldn't get them out of their mid-stroke 'sweet spot', but again, I'll have to verify. Hope this helps
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Stabbed the steering box this evening. Before it went in, I contemplated painting it to tone down the red, but figured it wouldn't really show once installed. Boy, was I wrong That picture reminds me that I need to re-do those brake lines when the new master goes in.
Second pic shows the reason I had to pull the PS pump--swapped in the inverted flare style pressure fitting I grabbed at the pick-a-part. The 'old' steering box was o-ring style, so instead of splicing, I just bought a new hose...
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No real progress today other than re-installing the PS pump/pulley and sneaking away from work at lunch to snag a low pressure side steering box line from the JY- tried bending one myself, then decided original GM would be better than my mangled mess I did receive shipping notice today from Porterbuilt for a 64lb box set to arrive on Sep 4th! PB parts in the house pics will follow Almost have all parts gathered for the 'transformation'...
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'transformation'. What I miss ?
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Haha- nothing big- just 4-wheel discs and complete suspension revamp. I just hope that with this latest round of mods that the truck behaves a LOT differently in the handling/braking department. It will ultimately end up looking pretty much like it does now, but hopefully a whole bunch more fun and confidence inspiring to drive. So, 'transformed' into something that drives better than an old truck
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Sweet !
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Love the build. You will love the 6.0L. I drive everyday in my 2012 3500 Express with a 6.0L. I will fill up on E-85 whenever I can find it. With E-85 it has faster throttle response and more power but less mpg.
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New, more traditional 'blank' rotors came in today. Getting down to the nitty-gritty...
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Ahhhh, new parts.... Lol! Its a sickness!
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Haha! Yes, it is ...and more to come...
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Drove the truck some today with the RedHead steering gear installed. MUCH better feel than before. Smooooth and quiet, too, especially compared to the 'old' (parts store rebuilt) box. It's easier to steer, but in a controlled manner, not the single-finger Cadillac steering, but not too heavy either. Somewhere this side of 'just right'. It also cleared up the off-center feel and turn signal cancellation problems I was having with the old box that I can only guess was due to using the incorrect pitman arm. Overall, very happy with the upgrade
Side note: lowered trucks need swaybars. I pulled and sold my 3/4 ton bar in anticipation of installing the new PB unit. Spirited driving without a front swaybar is a big no-no. Borderline scary... Posted via Mobile Device
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...tracking the PB parts. They're in town, but not scheduled to deliver til Tuesday...
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Im glad to hear that the Redhead steering gear is an improvement, I'm going to order one for my '63.
The handling woes that you are having do make me wonder what's going on. Is that with bags in the rear still? What springs or bags in the front? Ive gone with ECE 4/6 on my '68 and I'm sure that it will see some "spirited" driving. Do you attribute the handling issues to the bags? I know that the sway bar helps tremendously, but what else do you think was going on? Posted via Mobile Device
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The issues I was having yesterday were excessive body roll (or sway) and just a general sloppy, uneasy feeling overall. I attribute this directly to the lack of anti-sway bar. The rear 'bags are isolated from one another, so they should perform similarly to coils. I may head out today and install the PB unit, since it includes brackets to mount to stock arms as well. I will report back the change in driving character if I do...
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