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![]() I had planned on doing this sometime soon, but all the talk of shock lengths got me curious, so I broke out the tape measure. Here's what I found: -----------------(F)--Bilstein 24-192941--------Monroe 33033 Extended----------------15 1/2-------------------14 5/8 Compressed-------------10 3/8--------------------10 1/8 Travel-------------------5 1/8---------------------4 1/2 -----------------(R)--Bilstein 24-002486--------Monroe 32301 Extended----------------18 7/16-------------------18 1/4 Compressed--------------12 3/16-------------------11 7/8 Travel--------------------6 1/4---------------------6 3/8 Of note: the Bilstein measurements are mine, the Monroe measurements are taken from their online catalog. The measurements I'm most concerned with here are the compressed lengths, due to my lowered suspension, and therefore shorter distance between shock mounts. The Bilstein fronts are 1/4" longer and the rears are 5/16" longer, compared to their Monroe counterparts. Not a dramatic difference, but enough to warrant double-checking that I won't bottom them out when I whack a pothole or speedbump. The relatively small difference shouldn't get them out of their mid-stroke 'sweet spot', but again, I'll have to verify. Hope this helps ![]()
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
Stabbed the steering box this evening. Before it went in, I contemplated painting it to tone down the red, but figured it wouldn't really show once installed. Boy, was I wrong
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
No real progress today other than re-installing the PS pump/pulley and sneaking away from work at lunch to snag a low pressure side steering box line from the JY- tried bending one myself, then decided original GM would be better than my mangled mess
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
'transformation'. What I miss ?
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
Haha- nothing big- just 4-wheel discs and complete suspension revamp. I just hope that with this latest round of mods that the truck behaves a LOT differently in the handling/braking department. It will ultimately end up looking pretty much like it does now, but hopefully a whole bunch more fun and confidence inspiring to drive. So, 'transformed' into something that drives better than an old truck
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Love the build. You will love the 6.0L. I drive everyday in my 2012 3500 Express with a 6.0L. I will fill up on E-85 whenever I can find it. With E-85 it has faster throttle response and more power but less mpg.
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Nice build, doing the same stuff I'll be doing to my '65 once I finish my son's '82. I hope to go up to GG's lonestar in October, maybe I can get to meet you.
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
Thanks! Parts rolling in daily...
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New, more traditional 'blank' rotors came in today. Getting down to the nitty-gritty...
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Ahhhh, new parts....
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Haha! Yes, it is
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
Drove the truck some today with the RedHead steering gear installed. MUCH better feel than before. Smooooth and quiet, too, especially compared to the 'old' (parts store rebuilt) box. It's easier to steer, but in a controlled manner, not the single-finger Cadillac steering, but not too heavy either. Somewhere this side of 'just right'. It also cleared up the off-center feel and turn signal cancellation problems I was having with the old box that I can only guess was due to using the incorrect pitman arm. Overall, very happy with the upgrade
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...tracking the PB parts. They're in town, but not scheduled to deliver til Tuesday...
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Im glad to hear that the Redhead steering gear is an improvement, I'm going to order one for my '63.
The handling woes that you are having do make me wonder what's going on. Is that with bags in the rear still? What springs or bags in the front? Ive gone with ECE 4/6 on my '68 and I'm sure that it will see some "spirited" driving. Do you attribute the handling issues to the bags? I know that the sway bar helps tremendously, but what else do you think was going on? Posted via Mobile Device
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The issues I was having yesterday were excessive body roll (or sway) and just a general sloppy, uneasy feeling overall. I attribute this directly to the lack of anti-sway bar. The rear 'bags are isolated from one another, so they should perform similarly to coils. I may head out today and install the PB unit, since it includes brackets to mount to stock arms as well. I will report back the change in driving character if I do...
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
I have the same problem on my 4/6 static drop truck. I have a sway bar sitting in the corner of the garage. I just need to order bushings and slap it on.
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I've run an ECE 4/6 drop on my '63 w/o a sway bar for about 10 years now...I'm looking forward to the improvement after I bolt one on. It has never handled bad on the street or highway, but will certainly feel "sportier" with the sway bar.
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
Today was Operation: Install Sway Bar. This is the Porterbuilt piece, specially made by and drop shipped from Addco. For a bolt-in piece, it fought me the whole way. This is probably mainly due to temporarily using it with my factory control arms and steering linkage instead of the R&P/tube arms of a Dropmember.
Due to the completely lackluster instructions included, I had to look up other's installs online. Seems there has been a change in the parts supplied with the kit. The main issue I had with it was the length of the end links. I just could not find a way to make the 10" long supplied links work without hitting something or being in a bind, so I went down to Lowe's and picked up a couple of grade 8, 5" long, 3/8 bolts and deleted the spacers from the equation. Problem solved. Nate or Dave may chime in and tell me I'm dumb, I just couldn't figure it out ![]() Also, I had a little heartache with the way the frame bushings fit before I torqued them down--the flat backing plate of the bushing bushing ended up right where the frame horns curve. Once I tightened them up, the bushings and frame contoured to one-another, but it seemed to compress the bushings too much. Everything still works well, it just didn't seem as well thought out as it should be. I do like that they are tucked up out of harms way when mounted without frame brackets, though. Lastly, the kit was shipped with only grade 5 hardware and no washers. Personal preference, I upgraded to grade 8 with flat washers and nylock nuts. The finish on the bar itself looks nice, but is already beginning to chip and flake... ![]()
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
Are you going to have to move the bar again when you install your new a-arms?
Just wondering if the bolt-on brackets you installed on your stock a-arms,... will be in the same place as the tabs on the PB arms?
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
As you probably noticed in the other pics (and pointed out by LoLife), the bar came with these handy little 'L' brackets, that due to lack of appropriate instructions, I assumed were there to adapt the bar to my stock arms, so that's what I used 'em for
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Re: How to: Ruin a perfectly good C10
The "L" brackets are used exactly the way you installed them.
I bet it drives alot nicer now.
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