198Plus build

[Alan's Classic]

Originally Posted by Strodder

It's amazing how hard they work to patch things up, instead of doing it right the first time. It's actually easier to do it the right way.

Originally Posted by daverod

Good ,your not done yet. I went away for the weekend and I was worrieed that you would be done with everything by the time I got back. I have a set of rockers I need to put on my 64. This winters project. Or the winter after that.

Ronnie wishes I was that fast. LOL

Originally Posted by FRENCHBLUE72

Wow Is all I can say those patch areas make me look like a damn good body man thats for sure...

That goes for me as well.

I didn't have much time today. It figures I get some work at home then we get really busy at work. It's all good. Throw piano lessons in with a sick wife= no extra time today.

I did go out at ponder some. I had originally thought of letting the sand blaster discover what else is in the A post patch work, but decided to remove the rest of the boogered up patch work so the blaster can get to everything. I will also cut off a portion of the inner rocker at the cab supports so the blaster can access the inside of the cab supports some. Before doing so I will add a little more (not much) bracing for insurance.

I explained to Ronnie that the only way to eliminate all of the rust is to bust ALL of the panels apart clean and treat and weld them all back together. But with mig welding corrosion can form at the welds even when using weld thru primer. Or I guess a person could have it dipped.

I will also be taking some measurments for comparison when I go back with the replacement panels. The main measurment I'm concerned about is the drip rail down to the bottom of the inner rocker. His inners are original, so it should be a good referrence point. That has given me the most trouble in the past. Maybe it will save some time. I will take some pics of the measurements the next time I work on it.

For you body guys out there what would be an estimate of time to replace the inner rocker front to back with a portion of the floor. I'm having him order the full inner with about 2" of the floor (one piece), toe kick, dog leg, rear pillar section, outer rocker, and cab corner on one side? I gave him a number and he screamed like a girl J/K I never kept track of the time I had in mine. I based my number off of Shannon's cab. The estimated time is to get it ready to wipe. I'm not going to divuldge my quote just yet. I don't want it to be biased. I think I'm too low and will fill bad if I go over it. But, it is what it is.

I also gave him a price to replace the inner/outer portions of the bottom of the doors.

[198plus]

Dang I had a good day today, finally got the bleeding to stop....... Thanks for not posting any pictures on Monday.......

Originally Posted by Alan's Classic

Ronnie wishes I was that fast. LOL



That goes for me as well.

I didn't have much time today. It figures I get some work at home then we get really busy at work. It's all good. Throw piano lessons in with a sick wife= no extra time today.

I did go out at ponder some. I had originally thought of letting the sand blaster discover what else is in the A post patch work, but decided to remove the rest of the boogered up patch work so the blaster can get to everything. I will also cut off a portion of the inner rocker at the cab supports so the blaster can access the inside of the cab supports some. Before doing so I will add a little more (not much) bracing for insurance.

I explained to Ronnie that the only way to eliminate all of the rust is to bust ALL of the panels apart clean and treat and weld them all back together. But with mig welding corrosion can form at the welds even when using weld thru primer. Or I guess a person could have it dipped.

I will also be taking some measurments for comparison when I go back with the replacement panels. The main measurment I'm concerned about is the drip rail down to the bottom of the inner rocker. His inners are original, so it should be a good referrence point. That has given me the most trouble in the past. Maybe it will save some time. I will take some pics of the measurements the next time I work on it.

For you body guys out there what would be an estimate of time to replace the inner rocker front to back with a portion of the floor. I'm having him order the full inner with about 2" of the floor (one piece), toe kick, dog leg, rear pillar section, outer rocker, and cab corner on one side? I gave him a number and he screamed like a girl J/K I never kept track of the time I had in mine. I based my number off of Shannon's cab. The estimated time is to get it ready to wipe. I'm not going to divuldge my quote just yet. I don't want it to be biased. I think I'm too low and will fill bad if I go over it. But, it is what it is.

I also gave him a price to replace the inner/outer portions of the bottom of the doors.

[Alan's Classic]

Originally Posted by 198plus

Dang I had a good day today, finally got the bleeding to stop....... Thanks for not posting any pictures on Monday.......

I didn't think your old ticker could take much more, so I gave you a day to rest.

[Alan's Classic]

To clear things up some, my guesstimate starts once everything is apart and cleaned up. This is a special needs case.

[Strodder]

It's hard to estimate how much to charge, or how long it will take. Even after you finish the job. You don't want to over charge, but want to be fair also. I stand back an look what I did, and always think I didn't charge enough. But what ever you charge would be fair, because regular Body Shops, and Repair Shops wouldn't even touch the job.

Here's an example. I installed a 350 Chevy engine in a Vega. I had to fab some stuff to make the kit work. I even made a transmission cross mount and cut a notch in the oil pan. I only charged $650.00. That was way to cheap. It took me a week, so I guess that's OK.

[198plus]

First job I got at the new shop....... A roll over

[Strodder]

I'm surprised it wasn't totaled.

[daverod]

I think Ronnie is ready for my pictures now. Ronnie I don't get it, if you have your own shop why are you always giving your truck to other people? Guy here said he would put a LS 1 in my 64 for $800. I thought that was cheap. Maybe I should let Strodder do it.

[Strodder]

Originally Posted by daverod

I think Ronnie is ready for my pictures now. Ronnie I don't get it, if you have your own shop why are you always giving your truck to other people? Guy here said he would put a LS 1 in my 64 for $800. I thought that was cheap. Maybe I should let Strodder do it.

Bring it over.

[Jonboy]

Realistically, I would guess 20-25 hours per side. Our door rate is $44 per hour, so that's $880-1100.

That being said, everyone here would be crying their eyes out to actually have to do it.

[Strodder]

Wait a minute!!! You think I'll be cheaper. $800 is a good price. That is if he does a good job.

[198plus]

Still haven't named my new company yet. I'm going crazy trying to come up with a name for it, I want something different.......Suggestions would be great.

Bouncing this around in my head a little

[Strodder]

What does 198 stand for???

[198plus]

Well when I bought this.......



Top in speed was rated at 198 from the factory but after a few add owns and a dyno tune I thought 198plus would be a good user name. Since alot of people know me by 198plus.

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StreetFire

Originally Posted by Strodder

What does 198 stand for???

[Strodder]

That's Kewl. Strodder175 would be a good one for me.
SAVE THE WAVE.

[tiggamonsta]

I think the name works. My dad's shop was Witchcraft Body and Paint. The local school mascot was a Witch.

[198plus]

Nice car.......175 works. I really should be called 185 plus I backed out of it at 185, a lot of things start running through you mind at those speeds......Like a dog, deer, or even a possum.

Originally Posted by Strodder

That's Kewl. Strodder175 would be a good one for me.
SAVE THE WAVE.

[Strodder]

Originally Posted by 198plus

Nice car.......175 works. I really should be called 185 plus I backed out of it at 185, a lot of things start running through you mind at those speeds......Like a dog, deer, or even a possum.

Thanks, I'm not saying I did 175. That's what it's expected to do from the spects.

[Alan's Classic]

I had a 99 for a while. I miss that car. I also toured the Corvette assy plant in Bowling Greene Kentucky and also the museum right across the street. It was well worth the trip. If some one tells you they didn't build any 1983 vettes you can prove them wrong. I can't remember how many were built, not many. They crushed all but one and it is on display at the museum.



I vote "Hack Shack-n-paint inc" J/K Ronnie. Your logo looks good.

[Strodder]

Yes I knew that there was only one 83. In 2000 we went with our Corvette club to Bowling Green with 12 other Vettes. It was the 5 year anniversary. The police closed the Freeway north and south. It was open to only Corvettes. At the off ramp to the Assembly Plant there was nothing but Corvettes on every street, and in all the gas stations. It was an amazing site. We took Route 66 when ever we could. It was a great trip driving across the country with 12 Vettes. We got honks, and waves every where we went. I want to go back some day. When I hit the Lottery I'll pick up a new one at the Assembly Plant.

[Alan's Classic]

Ronnie, you ready for more surprises?

First I put a few more braces for support just in case. That way if it does want to sag down it won't. I did it on all four corners.



Rt A pillar cut out, almost. It took a while to see how they put everything together. I need to cut the kick panel higher, but don't want to until I get the patch panels.



Here it as of now.



I didn't realize that they replaced this much of the floor. My question is do you want to remove everything they did and start over? I will let you make that call.



You can see the burn thru marks in this pic and the double wall on the kick. Maybe the patch panel will enable me to cut all of this out.



The rear cab support has some pin holes in it.



They wiped right over rust. Gotta love that. It was flaking off in spots when I was grinding.



I figured I would see where the patches stopped on the lt side.



You didn't know you had a double walled floor did you. I left it that way for now. Because the patches I listed for you will not repair this.



Lt A post



More pics coming in a few minutes...............

[Alan's Classic]

Originally Posted by Jonboy

Realistically, I would guess 20-25 hours per side. Our door rate is $44 per hour, so that's $880-1100.

That being said, everyone here would be crying their eyes out to actually have to do it.

I quoted him 20. I asked Shannon how much time we had in his so far and guess 30-40 hrs. 20 hours really isn't enough time. Especially now that I have discovered more that is wrong.

Continued from before:

Left cab corner



Here are some referrence pics for later

This is where I measured from.



Front of inner rocker straight down from the rain rail at the top of the A post



Top of rain rail to bottom of the rear inner rocker. Both measurements are the same side to side.



Rear brace I put in to prevent any height changes.



3.0 hrs today.

[Strodder]

Allan your brave, but that's what you do for a living. Nice work so far.

[198plus]

Hell there's not much more you can find.........There's nothing left of the cab

[Strodder]

Originally Posted by 198plus

Hell there's not much more you can find.........There's nothing left of the cab

It might have been cheaper to find another parts truck, or cab. We're lucky here in California. Not too many rust buckets out here.