I fought the law and the law won

[Alex Hayley]

Listening to this exchange reminds me of this poster:

[streetstar]

Originally Posted by Shane

Delta Airlines has plenty of one way flights OUT of this country you despise so much.

They're ready when you are.

lovin it

[67_C-30]

I wonder who picked the lock on this thread, because it was locked yesterday

[blazer72]

I would have preferred it stayed locked. My whole point was the fact that I bought a rural place and ran into the same damn thing again, and that the neighbors couldn't wait a couple of darn months for a fence, they had to complain. My point was lost or missed somewhere and the whole thing went crazy.

I love my country.

I believe in Law Enforcement - I'm married to a hot detective, and I was a police officer for a spell.

I believe in "do unto others"

First and Foremost: I believe that FREEDOM is not free, and if you can say the word FREEDOM without getting goosebumps, a lump in your throat, or feeling in your gut, then you have no idea what it took to get it, and therefore have no business saying the word.

Now, if we can keep it civil, I'd like to post a pic of the fence in a week or two when I finish it. For the meantime, here's a pic of the trucks in the new property.

[eightbanger]

Originally Posted by 67_C-30

I wonder who picked the lock on this thread, because it was locked yesterday

Yeah your right I was in the middle of typing a response and liz had it locked before I hit submit.

In just about every walk of life here in the U.K people are complaining daily about what we are told we can no longer do, or what new thing we are going to be fined for if we continue doing, and it's not because we hate our country and enjoy "bashing" it, it's because we care about it and love it and it just feels ever harder to live freely, and we all get upset to see it going this way.

Hope that wasn't to controversial.

[Liz]

Originally Posted by eightbanger

Yeah your right I was in the middle of typing a response and liz had it locked before I hit submit.

just for clarification I did not close the thread. Something happened that closed it but not intentionally.

The log shows me closing it at 3:26pm if you look shane also replied at 3:26 pm. Those two things can't happen at the same time. (no shane had nothing to do with this) I was also posting at the same time 3:25pm on the volunteer staff board, answering a question. I did not even check this thread until after 4 PM, when I replied that I did not want to close the post and to keep it civil etc... Admins have the ability to post in locked threads, so I did not even notice it was closed until after reading the spin off thread. At that time I asked Josh to please see who locked it and why it was locked, while I dealt with another issue.

Apparently the software blurped and something happened.. either way the thread was not closed intentionally and I apologize that you lost your post..
15:26, 4th Jun 2008 Liz Closed Thread
22:48, 4th Jun 2008 Josh Opened Thread



Blazer72, if you ever wish for a post to be closed etc, you can always click edit on your first post, then I believe its go advanced and delete thread. Its been a while since I did it that way, but you have the ability to delete your own posts or threads if you are the thread starter.



sorry to go off track a little, but I wanted ya'll to understand we try not to edit and or close posts unless its necessary. rarely do we close one n open it back up etc. sorry for the confusion.

[Shane]

Asking questions and bashing are too different things Alex.

This one has now gotten political, so I'm out.

[Liz]

guys, keep it civil please. we have had several reported posts on several different posts in this thread. i really dont feel like closing it, so play nice, no politics and blah blah blah blah blah

[jayharrell]

Well............. I got a new rear rubber brake line put in my 69 today. Helped alot. Whats everyone else up to??!?!

[jayharrell]

Is that a GMC and a Chevy brub over there????

Looks like an ol Shasta camperin the back.

So did you have to put up a fence just on the front porsion of the place?? That collection looks like its set way back.. Your place looks bigger in this pic then in the others... Thats alot of fence..

[blazer72]

Originally Posted by jayharrell

Is that a GMC and a Chevy brub over there????

Looks like an ol Shasta camperin the back.

So did you have to put up a fence just on the front porsion of the place?? That collection looks like its set way back.. Your place looks bigger in this pic then in the others... Thats alot of fence..

I have a 4X4 GMC Burb and a 2WD. Both are very rusty, the chevy is too bad to repair, so I'm going to make it a crew cab. It had been sitting since 94, put some gas and a battery in it, and it started right up. It's a shame it's so rusty, cuz it's a 100% complete matching #s burb. The GMC is complete, just missing a motor. It's repairable sheetmetal wise, in a matter of speaking.

I'm not familiar with the "shaster camper" I went to the salvage yard and bought the oldest camper shell/topper I could find for my pickup bed trailer. I want my junk to look right - HA! I mostly bought it for temporary part storage.

The original picture on the original post was at the old house, it was .65 acres, the new place is 1.65 acres, and the trucks get the .65 all to themselves. The more recent picture is at the new place. I am just going to fence in the east side (neighbors side) for right now. 192 feet (24.5 eight foot panels) and call the code enforcement officer back and see if that will suffice. He was pretty cool, he even offered me more time if I needed it.

The funny thing is that the neighbors (that complained) have a derelict vehicle in their front yard, and the weeds in the back yard are almost 4 feet high. I was going to let it go, but since the warning I recieved specifically states those two issues, I think I'll go ahead and counter-complain. Can you believe it??? I don't have any weeds (tall ones anyways).

[streetstar]

I live in somewhat rural/suburban Oklahoma on an acreage too --- trust me - i have seen a lot worse than that.

sucks about your neighbors -- i have a sister in law thats the same way. She claims i have a "junkyard" (4 total vehicles outside -- 2 DD's and a 69 lwb and 88 Blazer -- all are tagged and are driven regularly)

[Shane]

I politely disagree and stand by my original post.

When one does something on HIS/HER private property that is illegal and de-values OTHER'S property (i.e: storing non-functioning / junk vehicles, cooking meth, running a brothel, hosting dog fights, running a business in a non-commercial zone, playing loud music, etc, etc, etc) then it is most certainly within the rights of the neighbors to petition local authorities and demand a remedy to the situation.

If it isn't illegal, then by all means, do as you wish and enjoy your freedom and your land. Just as jayharrell stated in an earlier post, if it is illegal and you don't agree with said law or ordinance, then get involved with local politics and have the law / ordinance changed.

[67_C-30]

Originally Posted by Shane

I politely disagree and stand by my original post.

When one does something on HIS/HER private property that is illegal and de-values OTHER'S property (i.e: storing non-functioning / junk vehicles, cooking meth, running a brothel, hosting dog fights, running a business in a non-commercial zone, playing loud music, etc, etc, etc) then it is most certainly within the rights of the neighbors to petition local authorities and demand a remedy to the situation.

If it isn't illegal, then by all means, do as you wish and enjoy your freedom and your land. Just as jayharrell stated in an earlier post, if it is illegal and you don't agree with said law or ordinance, then get involved with local politics and have the law / ordinance changed.

Fair enough. If you liken keeping junk cars to cooking meth, running a brothel, or hosting dog fights, there's no reason for us to discuss this any further. You have your views and I have mine, and luckily we are still entitled to that (at least I still think we are)

[jayharrell]

Originally Posted by Shane

If it isn't illegal, then by all means, do as you wish and enjoy your freedom and your land. Just as jayharrell stated in an earlier post, if it is illegal and you don't agree with said law or ordinance, then get involved with local politics and have the law / ordinance changed.

This is where me and you meet and agree. But I take the 'don’t let it happen to you' rather then the 'if you don't like what’s being done, change its course. Once a law or ordinance is passed, it’s HARD to get it put back. Read the paper and see what’s on the city counsel docket for the day to prevent these things from happening. It’s not hard to get about 20 or 30 people together in you neighborhood together and take over 50+% of the voting block in your precinct. You just have to out vote the Blue Hairs and anything about child safety.

If in a voted ordinance proposition enough people around you feel the need to vote for a standard to be set about the junkiness of your place and win, then that is truly a DEMocracy. But if you let your city counsel pass an ordinance that you and people in your community don't want, then you dropped the ball on YOUR responsibility in a REPublic decision and the people should have voiced their opioin's to the officals elected to voice your communites wants and needs. Vote them out next time, or put enough pressure on them to bend them to the values that were promised to you when YOU elecected them to REPresent YOU.

Apathy is the one reason things like this pass and get everyone riled up. But you have to look at it in the average man's point of view. "I’m here with my land, doing what I want to do. Why would anyone tell me any different" It draws deeper into the "The government’s powers are few and STRICKTLY *may i repeat* STRICKTLY defined" as Jefferson said and wrote in the constitution.

I could go WAAAAAAY off on founding father stuff, but I think this will bore enough people to stop reading.
'dark housing it'

[Arad68]

Originally Posted by Shane

I politely disagree and stand by my original post.

When one does something on HIS/HER private property that is illegal and de-values OTHER'S property (i.e: storing non-functioning / junk vehicles, cooking meth, running a brothel, hosting dog fights, running a business in a non-commercial zone, playing loud music, etc, etc, etc) then it is most certainly within the rights of the neighbors to petition local authorities and demand a remedy to the situation.

If it isn't illegal, then by all means, do as you wish and enjoy your freedom and your land. Just as jayharrell stated in an earlier post, if it is illegal and you don't agree with said law or ordinance, then get involved with local politics and have the law / ordinance changed.

"Qoute" (And James yours right. We are supposed to live in a free country....but yet we are slowly losing the right to be free. Living in a neighborhood where the neighborhood association... its like living in Nazi Germany here. You cant park on your lawn... God forbid you have a trailer or truck your not using right that minute when they see it. Half of the neighbors here want to do away with the nazis. If I had a way to get a place in the country...I would be out of here.) "Unquote".
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It is not always about some one not liking junk in front of your house. Many crimes are commited with unregistered vehicles. It is a big problem for the police. It is nice to have them around.

I live in a subdivision that has an HOA and they are really cool about people with project vehicles as long as they don't spend an "extended" amount of time in the driveway or street. There is a difference between a junker or parts car/truck and a project vehicle. I have parted out numerous vehicles at my house and have had no complaints. I get it done quickly and don't make a weekly thing out of it.

As to far as this country turning into a Nazi state of some type, I don't think so, as I have seen first hand the effects of a dictatorship on it's people and I really resent this type of comment. This country is nothing like that or is it turning into it.

Although I respect different points of view, I really have to agree with Shane and others on this point.

[67_C-30]

Originally Posted by Arad68

I live in a subdivision that has an HOA and they are really cool about people with project vehicles as long as they don't spend an "extended" amount of time in the driveway or street. There is a difference between a junker or parts car/truck and a project vehicle. I have parted out numerous vehicles at my house and have had no complaints. I get it done quickly and don't make a weekly thing out of it.

If that were the extent of it, it would be more tolerable, but where I live the code enforcement officer will walk into your backyard and write you up for things out of sight of anyone. Having a fence or keeping things out of sight isn't good enough anymore. We were at my brother's having a birthday party for his 6 yr old little girl and the kids had all sorts toys out in the yard *LIKE YOU DO AT A B-DAY PARTY!) playing with them, and the CE officer pulled up told me brother he was going to have to clean the yard up. My brother's yard is very nice and neat, and he has no old or junk vehicles, but he is being harrased out of the blue without cause. These pricks walk onto your property and look around at their leisure and there's nothing you can legally (there's that word again) do about it.

I would never compare what is currently going on to Nazi Germany, BUT if anyone here thinks we are not slowly but surely losing rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution, I'll have some of what you're having!

[El Jay]

Originally Posted by 67_C-30

If that were the extent of it, it would be more tolerable, but where I live the code enforcement officer will walk into your backyard and write you up for things out of sight of anyone. Having a fence or keeping things out of sight isn't good enough anymore. We were at my brother's having a birthday party for his 6 yr old little girl and the kids had all sorts toys out in the yard *LIKE YOU DO AT A B-DAY PARTY!) playing with them, and the CE officer pulled up told me brother he was going to have to clean the yard up. My brother's yard is very nice and neat, and he has no old or junk vehicles, but he is being harrased out of the blue without cause. These pricks walk onto your property and look around at their leisure and there's nothing you can legally (there's that word again) do about it.

I would never compare what is currently going on to Nazi Germany, BUT if anyone here thinks we are not slowly but surely losing rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution, I'll have some of what you're having!

Time to get one big @$$ed overly protective dog and let him roam BEHIND the fence line.

[milled]

I'd like to see those code inforcement officers visit my old home town of miami. Spefically a place called liberty city and inforce code!! They would be carried out.

Bottom line every year ledislators write more laws inorder to restrice commerce, collect more tax revenue and keep everyone looking the SAME. And they have 1000's of cops willing to inforce any law with deadly force. I think it totally SUCKS and in some situations its enoulf to crack even normal people. Our biggest threat is this new NAZI-save the world party. Thats why I live in the county and if they restrict that then I'll keep moving till I discover freedom.

The bad neighbor thing is fixed by selling you're spread to a large latin american family and the rest is history, they'll wish you were back!

[blazer72]

Originally Posted by 67_C-30

I would never compare what is currently going on to Nazi Germany, BUT if anyone here thinks we are not slowly but surely losing rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution, I'll have some of what you're having!

I could not agree with you more.

[odog]

I agree with 67_C-30 and something needs to change

[caminokid]

Originally Posted by 67_C-30

If that were the extent of it, it would be more tolerable, but where I live the code enforcement officer will walk into your backyard and write you up for things out of sight of anyone. Having a fence or keeping things out of sight isn't good enough anymore. We were at my brother's having a birthday party for his 6 yr old little girl and the kids had all sorts toys out in the yard *LIKE YOU DO AT A B-DAY PARTY!) playing with them, and the CE officer pulled up told me brother he was going to have to clean the yard up. My brother's yard is very nice and neat, and he has no old or junk vehicles, but he is being harrased out of the blue without cause. These pricks walk onto your property and look around at their leisure and there's nothing you can legally (there's that word again) do about it.

I would never compare what is currently going on to Nazi Germany, BUT if anyone here thinks we are not slowly but surely losing rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution, I'll have some of what you're having!

Well man, The the thing is....when you get in trouble for parking on your lawn...in the backyard??? If a cop in the state of Illinois thinks your lying to him or her...you can be arrested and charged with a felony for lying to a cop. You have freedom of speech...but if you tell a cop to go f' himself...you can go to jail for disorderly conduct...or verbally assaulting a police officer.

Everyone should be able to get along with their neighbors. But it seems there is one neighbor that will always cause some kind of crap for everyone. This is the first time I have ever been a neighborhood like this. Now I have seen after my mom and dad was divorced...my mom moved into a trailer park...where the rules were so damn stupid...Say if you had a flat tire in your driveway....you couldnt change it there. You had to drive it to the parking lot and change it...and possibly ruin a wheel getting it there. I was doing a tune up on a 70 GTO I had. Plugs wires cap rotor. No biggie. The land lady came over screaming at me I couldnt do that in the drive. I asked her what the f' her problem was and told her she screamed in my face again I would clobber her. I was 17 at the time with a hot head. I know there was no excuse for that. So to add fuel to the fir...I decided to take the whole front end off the GTO and put it in the yard...front yard. The land lady never said anything to me again about minor repairs.

I have problems with people who think they are in charge...people who think you will conform to their standards. I dont think its right. If you are following the law...as in you have your trucks...cars...whatever...and they are plated...then why is these people allowed to bother you?

Guys I am not trying to offend anyone...even though I did one person. I am not the only one in this neighborhood that calls this little Nazi Germany. To fully understand whats going on here...you would have to live here. Not all of this town is like that. I was told if it cant be seen from the street then there is nothing that can be done about it. We wanted to put up a privacy fence....the nosy neighbor wont allow it. He said and I quote...I want to be able to see whats going on over there. Aint none of his damn business whats going on over here.

And James....I got Vicodin all week long cause of my screwed up arm. I was cutting the frame for the trailer and somehow got a piece of metal embedded deep in my arm...and it got infected. They had to cut it out of me...so yeah I have been in real pain.

[haysonj]

One of my neighbors has about 6 cars in his driveway and yard most of the others have at least 3 so they didn't say anything when I did the frame off resto in my driveway. In fact they were always over to see what I was doing. Felt like a community project. I just love good neighbors, known most of them since their kids were in diapers.

[caminokid]

Originally Posted by Arad68

"Qoute" (And James yours right. We are supposed to live in a free country....but yet we are slowly losing the right to be free. Living in a neighborhood where the neighborhood association... its like living in Nazi Germany here. You cant park on your lawn... God forbid you have a trailer or truck your not using right that minute when they see it. Half of the neighbors here want to do away with the nazis. If I had a way to get a place in the country...I would be out of here.) "Unquote".
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It is not always about some one not liking junk in front of your house. Many crimes are commited with unregistered vehicles. It is a big problem for the police. It is nice to have them around.

I live in a subdivision that has an HOA and they are really cool about people with project vehicles as long as they don't spend an "extended" amount of time in the driveway or street. There is a difference between a junker or parts car/truck and a project vehicle. I have parted out numerous vehicles at my house and have had no complaints. I get it done quickly and don't make a weekly thing out of it.

As to far as this country turning into a Nazi state of some type, I don't think so, as I have seen first hand the effects of a dictatorship on it's people and I really resent this type of comment. This country is nothing like that or is it turning into it.

Although I respect different points of view, I really have to agree with Shane and others on this point.

Well in my situation....it would be different if I had vehicles in the drive with no plates and they didnt run...stuff like that. The project truck is in the garage. The dd is in the driveway...and drives everyday. The only other thing in the drive is the trailer. As of yesterday...finished. What I am talking about is an old man that has nothing better to do then whine all the time ab out everything and get the neighborhood association guy all riled up.

Sorry to have offended you on the Nazi statement. But the neighborhood guy acts like hitler to everyone. Thats why I called this Nazism. It wasnt directed at anyone but this neighborhood. Once again I am sorry to have offended you.

[Arad68]

Originally Posted by caminokid

Well in my situation....it would be different if I had vehicles in the drive with no plates and they didnt run...stuff like that. Guys I am not trying to offend anyone...even though I did one person. I am not the only one in this neighborhood that calls this little Nazi Germany. To fully understand whats going on here...you would have to live here. Not all of this town is like that. I was told if it cant be seen from the street then there is nothing that can be done about it. We wanted to put up a privacy fence....the nosy neighbor wont allow it. He said and I quote...I want to be able to see whats going on over there. Aint none of his damn business whats going on over here.

The project truck is in the garage. The dd is in the driveway...and drives everyday. The only other thing in the drive is the trailer. As of yesterday...finished. What I am talking about is an old man that has nothing better to do then whine all the time ab out everything and get the neighborhood association guy all riled up.

Sorry to have offended you on the Nazi statement. But the neighborhood guy acts like hitler to everyone. Thats why I called this Nazism. It wasnt directed at anyone but this neighborhood. Once again I am sorry to have offended you.

Thanks for the apology...That goes a long way showing you have great character and with me if that really matters.

I definitely agree about the old man minding his bussiness, He needs to.

It's never easy dealing with an HOA or the code enforcement officer. I was able to do it by displaying that I didn't fit the stereotype of the people they were trying to change. I presented myself as an honest, law abiding guy with a decent hobby and convincing them that I did care about their cause. In essence I showed them there was room for both of us in the big picture. Now they leave me alone knowing all of this.

I also believe that we are losing some rights promised to us by the Constitution as far as privacy and freedom, but I also feel that it is necesary in weeding out the people that have ill will to our way of life and who we are.

Sorry to hear about your arm I hope it heals better than new.