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Russell · 10-03-2006, 10:55 PM

Still gonna run that TPI under boost, or just NA for now?

**Captkaos** · 10-04-2006, 02:45 PM

Initially NA, but I have a turbo sitting in the floor... I am going to get the 6.0L truck running/driving first and then probably turbo the TPI.

Russell · 10-04-2006, 08:14 PM

Sweet, lemme know how that goes -- I'm very tempted to boost mine too, seeing as I've got like 8.5:1 compression right now :P

**Captkaos** · 12-11-2006, 06:28 PM

Friday Dec. 8th 2006: finished up on the body bushing replacement, just need to tighten up the bolts. Started the removal of the carb fuel lines so they can be replaced by the EFI lines.

**Captkaos** · 07-15-2007, 09:03 PM

Saturday July 14th 2007: Finally got back on this... Removed all the fuel lines and the fuel pump and started on pulling the carb. Got distracted by someone selling a '87 K5, was wasted time.

knightlife · 07-16-2007, 01:21 AM

eep....all those wires confuse meh!!!

**Captkaos** · 07-23-2007, 05:01 PM

Saturday July 21th 2007: I had one last fuel/brake line clamp left from the previous week to remove. It was under the engine stand. It took me about 30-45 minutes to get it off with an combo open/box wrench. (engine still in the truck)
Pulled out the new lines and laid them out so I can get the shipping bend out, pulled the carb and had to stop to go get a family portrait.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 02:14 PM

Monday, Aug 13th, 2007: put on the blocking plate for the fuel pump, cleaned up the TPI plenum for final assembly along with the Throttle Body pieces. Put the high pressure pump and new filter on the 87-91 Blazer sending unit. Getting ready to pull the intake manifold to start putting the TPI on the engine.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 02:15 PM

Saturday Aug 18th, 2007 had to clean up one of the runners had some gunk still in one of them, still soaking it. Got the plenum all cleaned up and ready. Pull the top of the motor down and removed the 4 bbl intake, set the TPI base in place and got the gas tank out and realized the spare sender I had was for a deeper fuel tank, Guess I will be getting an EFI tank now.

also realized I need a sending unit piece that will allow me to use the stock sender and the EFI sensor...

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 02:32 PM

Saturday Sep 8th, 2007 Instead of getting an EFI tank I ordered a 25g sending unit for a EFI truck from Advance (PN# FG12K). Took 5 days to arrive.

Saturday Sep 15th, 2007 Took all main TPI pieces and cleaned them up and painted them over the next few days.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:12 PM

Friday Sep 28th, 2007 Opened the package from S&P for the rear exit/feed and SS fuel lines along with the 9th injector elimination kit and started piecing it together. Cut the return line off and installed the rear feed connection. Found that they had not sent one of the pieces for the regulator.

Saturday Sep 29th, 2007 Painted the remainder of the TPI Parts

smbrouss70 · 12-12-2007, 03:20 PM

Chris, I'm seeing nothing but red X's!

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:39 PM

Monday Oct 1st, 2007 Installed the EFI unit in the stock gas tank. Pulled out the EFI fuel lines recieved from Classic Tube and started straightening the shipping bends out.

Tuesday Oct 2st, 2007 placed the Feed and Return lines in the chassis only to discover the poor exhaust system that I had put on previously that was a POOR attempt will need to be removed from the truck and made again. This time the Turbo will be present for mockup.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:40 PM

Saturday Oct 6th, 2007 drilled and tapped the front feed line of the fuel rail with 1/8th in pipe tap. This was NOT fun.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:41 PM

Wednesday Oct 31st, 2007 Ordered some 42lb injectors

Saturday Nov 4th, 2007 Pressed in the 9th injector block off plug from S&P. This wasn't fun either

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:41 PM

Friday November 16th, 2007:Injectors were delivered USPS on 14th, but weren't left. I had to go pick them up at the Post office.

Saturday November 17th, 2007: got all the bolts to the manifold off, but from the shady job of building the y-pipe from some an exhaust shop (that I didn't pay for) I now have to cut the Y-pipe to get it out...

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:43 PM

Friday, November 30th, 2007:Picked up the 700R4 trans that need rebuilt to replace the TH350 currently in place.

Saturday December 1st, 2007:Got the fuel lines installed and clamped down short of 2 clips I would like to add on top of the missing fuel filter clamp. Put splash shield on the TPI base and then installed it. Put the S&P oil pressure tee on (for running factory sender and the TPI sender) and the thing stripped out. Yippie! Couldn't find my water outlet, have NO clue where it went so I got to get a new one. Installed the 42lb injectors in the fuel rail. Debating on whether I will run the EGR or make a block off for it.

Saturday December 2nd, 2007:Went to several parts stores to find a brass fitting that would fit under the TPI Base to replace the S&P piece, finally found the 2 I needed.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:45 PM

Saturday December 8th, 2007: Pulled the intake back off to put the new brass fitting in the block for the sensors. Installed the fuel rail assembly and hooked up the rear feed fuel supply and return lines. Definitely not going to run an EGR due to no room, so I have to make a block-off for it. Ordered a water outlet.

Sunday December 9th, 2007:Picked up the water neck (gotta paint it) and then searched all local stores for the parts to rebuild the 85 TPI distributor, with no luck.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smbrouss70

Chris, I'm seeing nothing but red X's!

Really? They are all linked from my website/forum. I opened them up on a public computer without logging in and I can see them..

454HO · 12-12-2007, 04:09 PM

Nuthin but red X's for me too.

smbrouss70 · 12-12-2007, 04:11 PM

Yeah, I don't get it... I joined your forum to see if that helped, but it didn't. It could be this crappy hotel connection that I'm on.

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 04:22 PM

That stinks..
Does this open a picture?
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/sm...ach=1450;image

smbrouss70 · 12-12-2007, 04:26 PM

yes, it does

**Captkaos** · 12-12-2007, 04:33 PM

hmmm, that stinks. that is the same URL as the last picture I linked... You shouldn't have to join my forum to view them as they are public accessible....

87 STEPPER · 12-12-2007, 04:47 PM

Hey Chris,

If you find that other missing water neck and i assume you are talking about a thermostat housing send it out and have it jet hot coated.

For some reason i have had 3 go bad on me in the last 15 yrs my TPI has been on my truck.

I dont know if it's the material there made out of or if it's from just sitting too much.

But all of them have had holes bored through them from an electrolysis effect
Iv'e allways had good antifreez in the truck mixed @ 50/50 using distilled H2o + nothing else in the cooling sys. has had that type of problem.

So i got a new GM T-stat housing and had it coated and it's been over a year now and it seem to be holding up so far.

BTW all i see are the red-x too

10-03-2006, 10:55 PM	#76
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Still gonna run that TPI under boost, or just NA for now? __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

10-04-2006, 02:45 PM	#77
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Initially NA, but I have a turbo sitting in the floor... I am going to get the 6.0L truck running/driving first and then probably turbo the TPI. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

10-04-2006, 08:14 PM	#78
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Sweet, lemme know how that goes -- I'm very tempted to boost mine too, seeing as I've got like 8.5:1 compression right now :P __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap) Last edited by Russell; 10-04-2006 at 08:15 PM.

12-11-2006, 06:28 PM	#79
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Friday Dec. 8th 2006: finished up on the body bushing replacement, just need to tighten up the bolts. Started the removal of the carb fuel lines so they can be replaced by the EFI lines. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 03:30 PM.

07-15-2007, 09:03 PM	#80
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Saturday July 14th 2007: Finally got back on this... Removed all the fuel lines and the fuel pump and started on pulling the carb. Got distracted by someone selling a '87 K5, was wasted time. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

07-16-2007, 01:21 AM	#81
knightlife Dark Heart Motorsports Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 29404 DKFX Posts: 683	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process eep....all those wires confuse meh!!! __________________ How Deep Can YOU Bleed..? 1985 Chevy Blazer K5- 6.2 N/A, 400 turbo trans CUCV, 12v converted... a new chapter 2005 GMC Sierra Crew Cab 6.0 powwwaa!!! custom jumpseat install w/ captain seats, Hypertech tuner, MSD Blaster Coils, CB and twin antenna's, all electric interior, touch screen in dash. custom center console, with jump seat replacing original console. 1500 HD!

07-23-2007, 05:01 PM	#82
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Saturday July 21th 2007: I had one last fuel/brake line clamp left from the previous week to remove. It was under the engine stand. It took me about 30-45 minutes to get it off with an combo open/box wrench. (engine still in the truck) Pulled out the new lines and laid them out so I can get the shipping bend out, pulled the carb and had to stop to go get a family portrait. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

12-12-2007, 02:14 PM	#83
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Monday, Aug 13th, 2007: put on the blocking plate for the fuel pump, cleaned up the TPI plenum for final assembly along with the Throttle Body pieces. Put the high pressure pump and new filter on the 87-91 Blazer sending unit. Getting ready to pull the intake manifold to start putting the TPI on the engine. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 03:36 PM.

12-12-2007, 02:15 PM	#84
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Saturday Aug 18th, 2007 had to clean up one of the runners had some gunk still in one of them, still soaking it. Got the plenum all cleaned up and ready. Pull the top of the motor down and removed the 4 bbl intake, set the TPI base in place and got the gas tank out and realized the spare sender I had was for a deeper fuel tank, Guess I will be getting an EFI tank now. also realized I need a sending unit piece that will allow me to use the stock sender and the EFI sensor... __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:04 PM.

12-12-2007, 02:32 PM	#85
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Saturday Sep 8th, 2007 Instead of getting an EFI tank I ordered a 25g sending unit for a EFI truck from Advance (PN# FG12K). Took 5 days to arrive. Saturday Sep 15th, 2007 Took all main TPI pieces and cleaned them up and painted them over the next few days. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:05 PM.

12-12-2007, 03:12 PM	#86
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Friday Sep 28th, 2007 Opened the package from S&P for the rear exit/feed and SS fuel lines along with the 9th injector elimination kit and started piecing it together. Cut the return line off and installed the rear feed connection. Found that they had not sent one of the pieces for the regulator. Saturday Sep 29th, 2007 Painted the remainder of the TPI Parts __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:07 PM.

12-12-2007, 03:20 PM	#87
smbrouss70 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rayne, LA Posts: 2,782	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Chris, I'm seeing nothing but red X's! __________________ Steven "If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go wherever they went." -- Will Rogers R.I.P. Oscar R.I.P. Ratchet 1967 Pontiac GTO - Dad was the Original Owner 1970 Chevy 2wd SWB "Oscar's Truck" 1970 Chevy 2wd Blazer "Ratchet's Blazer" 2013 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab Duramax/Allison Z71 LTZ "Brown Sugar" 2017 Chevy Suburban "BDB" 2020 Chevy Blazer Premier "Foxy" Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Shop Build

12-12-2007, 03:39 PM	#88
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Monday Oct 1st, 2007 Installed the EFI unit in the stock gas tank. Pulled out the EFI fuel lines recieved from Classic Tube and started straightening the shipping bends out. Tuesday Oct 2st, 2007 placed the Feed and Return lines in the chassis only to discover the poor exhaust system that I had put on previously that was a POOR attempt will need to be removed from the truck and made again. This time the Turbo will be present for mockup. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:07 PM.

12-12-2007, 03:40 PM	#89
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Saturday Oct 6th, 2007 drilled and tapped the front feed line of the fuel rail with 1/8th in pipe tap. This was NOT fun. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:09 PM.

12-12-2007, 03:41 PM	#90
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Wednesday Oct 31st, 2007 Ordered some 42lb injectors Saturday Nov 4th, 2007 Pressed in the 9th injector block off plug from S&P. This wasn't fun either __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:10 PM.



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12-12-2007, 03:43 PM	#92
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Friday, November 30th, 2007:Picked up the 700R4 trans that need rebuilt to replace the TH350 currently in place. Saturday December 1st, 2007:Got the fuel lines installed and clamped down short of 2 clips I would like to add on top of the missing fuel filter clamp. Put splash shield on the TPI base and then installed it. Put the S&P oil pressure tee on (for running factory sender and the TPI sender) and the thing stripped out. Yippie! Couldn't find my water outlet, have NO clue where it went so I got to get a new one. Installed the 42lb injectors in the fuel rail. Debating on whether I will run the EGR or make a block off for it. Saturday December 2nd, 2007:Went to several parts stores to find a brass fitting that would fit under the TPI Base to replace the S&P piece, finally found the 2 I needed. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:11 PM.

12-12-2007, 03:45 PM	#93
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Saturday December 8th, 2007: Pulled the intake back off to put the new brass fitting in the block for the sensors. Installed the fuel rail assembly and hooked up the rear feed fuel supply and return lines. Definitely not going to run an EGR due to no room, so I have to make a block-off for it. Ordered a water outlet. Sunday December 9th, 2007:Picked up the water neck (gotta paint it) and then searched all local stores for the parts to rebuild the 85 TPI distributor, with no luck. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com Last edited by Captkaos; 12-18-2007 at 04:17 PM.

12-12-2007, 04:09 PM	#95
454HO Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,224	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Nuthin but red X's for me too. __________________ - Greg

12-12-2007, 04:11 PM	#96
smbrouss70 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rayne, LA Posts: 2,782	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Yeah, I don't get it... I joined your forum to see if that helped, but it didn't. It could be this crappy hotel connection that I'm on. __________________ Steven "If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go wherever they went." -- Will Rogers R.I.P. Oscar R.I.P. Ratchet 1967 Pontiac GTO - Dad was the Original Owner 1970 Chevy 2wd SWB "Oscar's Truck" 1970 Chevy 2wd Blazer "Ratchet's Blazer" 2013 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab Duramax/Allison Z71 LTZ "Brown Sugar" 2017 Chevy Suburban "BDB" 2020 Chevy Blazer Premier "Foxy" Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Shop Build

12-12-2007, 04:22 PM	#97
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process That stinks.. Does this open a picture? http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/sm...ach=1450;image __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

12-12-2007, 04:26 PM	#98
smbrouss70 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rayne, LA Posts: 2,782	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process yes, it does __________________ Steven "If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go wherever they went." -- Will Rogers R.I.P. Oscar R.I.P. Ratchet 1967 Pontiac GTO - Dad was the Original Owner 1970 Chevy 2wd SWB "Oscar's Truck" 1970 Chevy 2wd Blazer "Ratchet's Blazer" 2013 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab Duramax/Allison Z71 LTZ "Brown Sugar" 2017 Chevy Suburban "BDB" 2020 Chevy Blazer Premier "Foxy" Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Shop Build

12-12-2007, 04:33 PM	#99
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process hmmm, that stinks. that is the same URL as the last picture I linked... You shouldn't have to join my forum to view them as they are public accessible.... __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

12-12-2007, 04:47 PM	#100
87 STEPPER STILL PLAYS WITH TRUX Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Melbourne, Fla. Posts: 2,764	Re: TPI Conversion Progress/Process Hey Chris, If you find that other missing water neck and i assume you are talking about a thermostat housing send it out and have it jet hot coated. For some reason i have had 3 go bad on me in the last 15 yrs my TPI has been on my truck. I dont know if it's the material there made out of or if it's from just sitting too much. But all of them have had holes bored through them from an electrolysis effect Iv'e allways had good antifreez in the truck mixed @ 50/50 using distilled H2o + nothing else in the cooling sys. has had that type of problem. So i got a new GM T-stat housing and had it coated and it's been over a year now and it seem to be holding up so far. BTW all i see are the red-x too __________________ ~~Bruce~~ MY 87 STEPPER MY 99 2D/WD TAHOE

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