budget beater c10 to k30 swap over build.

[sweetk30]

ya its still sealed in the pack yet .

and few guys over on ck5 forum have gone edelbrock pro-flo 4 and are installing it or just starting to drive it .

thats a all in 1 part # kit unlike what us carb to efi swap guys are doing . its intake up with dist . also sequential port injection single plane intake stays dry for just air flow . ALREADY HAS progressive linkage on it from edelbrock . uses blue tooth device to tune it so no cord and hand held controller . ecu is separate NOT built in to the unit .

if i deiced i dont like this thats what i will get ............. and $ to $ value after i got the intake / sniper / dist / other few parts it would have been $100-200 bucks extra and been prob better off with the edelbrock pro-flo 4 unit .

and after my customer service from HELL over on the holley forum and calling them direct i am NOT happy with holley anymore they can go suck a tail pipe for all i care .

the guys that have edelbrock units are super happy with tech and support so far . the 1 guy talked with tech for 30-45 min before he even owned a unit and they didnt care they answered all his questions .

[PGSigns]

I feel your pain. I went through this last year with one. It ended up going back and I told them to keep it. Fuel pressure issues with the regulator that comes with it, 2 O2 sensors, it does not self tune, you have to edit the base table to get it close enough, you don't even want to try the timing control and the kicker that got it pulled for good is it would just shut off in traffic. We understood the software and the tuner that worked with me on it runs a race engine shop so we had a good handle on that. I spent enough time and money to put an LS in the truck. A couple of thing that I did get out of it was the Vortec head does not tune well with a duel plane intake and the Victor JR tunes and runs better even with a carb. Got shown this in the dyno with a crate engine they did. So back to a 670 street avenger and all is good.
Jimmy

[sweetk30]

PGsigns yes lots of guys are finding carb replacment style efi bolt on stuff is liking single plane intake's over dual plane . one guy over on my other site i hang out at has done a dyno test in the vehicle to prove it . also he did a plug read with old dual plane and then with single plane and found better more even results on the plugs . i guess this is 1 reason why edelbrock has done the single plane from the start on there pro-flo systems , and they just move air when the fuel is port injected .

few guys on my other site are removing or have removed sniper / fitech and gone edelbrock pro-flo 4 system and say its much better from the start . 1 guy on edelbrocks forum said he had to do way less work to drive it tuning wise than the sniper he had and its running better 2-3x faster than the same amount of timefor the sniper .

i think we all need to join together and create a web site ihateboltoneficonversions.bullsh!t

[RDrancher]

Well...I'm sorry to hear about all of the problems with the sniper setup, especially since I deleted all of the stock tbi stuff from my sub and bought the Eddy vortec intake with the sniper in mind. Looks like the old quad will be on there longer than I thought. Of course, at the rate I'm getting things done on this project their may be several "new and improved" efi options on the table!

[sweetk30]

edelbrock is looking better and better in the end . . .

i currently have a NICE guy helping me via emails from another chat forum on how to play with this thing and he has done a few and knows his way around them .

also holley is talking to me from tech and has few things to try before send in for warranty .

[sweetk30]

got some good today .

got my new backup light today from lifetime led . 3" flush mount pod with 1850 lumens total off 6 led units .

here is the taped to the hitch test tonight .

does real good for distance and spread out of pattern . but up close the stockers still get the sides better . just the nature of the pattern on the led . but i am super happy .

new light / around 50ft from shop door / around 175ft from shop door / around 150ft from side door and seeing the trailer tounge and box in the yard show up / new position in the bumper for the light .

[sweetk30]

oh my what a BANG for the BUCK $$$

i can see from my street all the way in to the shop in pitch black night now . my street to the shop door is prob 300ft / no street lights or house light on .

great under $50.00 buck item to get for function and usefulness

[sweetk30]

few pics of my super clean inside .

[SunSoaked]

Originally Posted by sweetk30

oh my what a BANG for the BUCK $$$

i can see from my street all the way in to the shop in pitch black night now . my street to the shop door is prob 300ft / no street lights or house light on .

great under $50.00 buck item to get for function and usefulness

Damn! We must be related! It's amazing how similar our builds are. I just received my led backup lights tonight. Once again, pretty much the same idea as yours.
I got 2 of them for $39 each. Going in my bumper, but I realized my bumper isn't flat except for where the license lamps are. My license plate frame has a lamp built in so the round factory ones are coming out anyway. It leaves a nice flat area to mount the LEDs. They have a 90 degree beam pattern which works out perfect!

[Dieselwrencher]

That light does look like a good deal and it sounds like it works pretty well. Any luck on your sniper issues yet? That interior looks pretty mint!

[sweetk30]

love me this backup light option . just 1 and small size that just works .

sniper needs tuning via the program off there web site . but i cant do that at this time with the controller out for warranty testing and possible replacement . you need a 50.00 cable to hook up to a computer or do it via the sd card upload in the handheld unit .

but atleast i can drive the truck with out it pluged in . its doing o.k. time will tell .

[sweetk30]

she was nicked with out her top so i dug it out today and installed it ..... boy was it dirty / scummy / yucky . took purple power to the lenses and the 3 towels turned almost black from the gook on the bar . she is much better now .

then i whipped up a few tabs to mount the control box to the bottom of the dash . just so happened 1 screw for ash tray unit lined up on the left and under dash light on right bracket lined up . so no drill install of the box and its firm . the whole dash flexes not the mounting area .

also got my extra gauges and gps and dash cam installed .

gauges 3 pod = fuel psi electric / tach 6k / engine vac "
gauges 2 pod = b&m trans temp with easy to read colors / pass side transfer fuel tank

gps on far left is a garmin unit and i used 3m double sided sticky to the suction cup on the glass . then a thinkwear x500 dash cam with 32 gig sd card and also rear cam mounted behind my head at the top of the slider fixed glass seeing out just past the 2 big stickers .

took me a bit of testing locations for all of this but with me in the seat i have no blocked road vision off the body view . anything blocked is just the truck body so were good there . and the gps and dash cam are wired to a 2 outlet universal outlet unit and only feed key hot . so i dont even need to play with them .

[Dieselwrencher]

The truck is looking great. I'm glad to hear you have some one that can get the tunes to work for you. Are you guys getting any snow there so far?

I had a very nice set of those caps but I can't remember where I hid them.....

[sweetk30]

unbolt the bump stop from the frame bracket and sandwich it in there is how i think it goes ? but i dont plan to disconect my self on this truck . i just used it for the sway bar lift correction .

you dont want to know my current problems with this truck . . . .

and snow whats that stuff ? nov we got a 9-12" dump and then untill now its few dustings is ALL

[sweetk30]

here is my current problems .

cooling system : http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=778518

holley sniper from HELL FIGHT : http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=776523

and this sniper thread above is the short short version list . here is a play by play

1 - handheld problems on first fire up
2 - 2nd handheld d.o.a out of the box
3 - fuel mileage 6.25 mpg average so far around 500 miles and 30-45%tps at most 90% of the driving and only a few highway trips of 5-10 miles the rest is in town or country roads of 45-50 mph
4 - tech support help on there forum they don't baby sit or care about = crap treat you like a 2 year old right from the start by site admin and senior members
5 - have to use sniper program on a REAL computer to tune it 100% = NOT SELF TUNING like it shows on the box and also you DO need a computer unlike what the box shows
6 - wait time for parts replacement is kind of long and i had to ask my 3rd handheld be shipped faster they never offered it to me and the tech guy still had to get this o.k'ed from a higher up
7 - wait time on the phone can be long . . . but then if you wish to talk with the same tech person they do NOT have assigned ext#'s to use . you MUST wait yet again on hold to speak to them so this can more than double your wait
8 - emails seem better but almost every one i have got is at the end of the next day returned
9 - they love to avoid specific questions and or never acknowledge them at all
10 - they love to blame it on rfi interference for the routing of the units wires and such . this to me = crap product quality knowing it will be next to this kind of stuff and the wiring is super stiff
11 - the tech suport info can be a huge hit or miss . i asked the same question 2 x to 2 different people and got 2 totaly different answers that were 2 ends of the spectrum apart
12 - throttle arm is to short for correct throw ratio almost all people buy or build an extension arm for this and it also makes for a super stiff pedal
13 - self tuning is deactivated from all i have read on there forum and f-b page if you turn on progressive linkage to make it more like a carb with the quick fuel linkage part installed for the 2ndary link
14 - my idle air control is now acting up with random high idleand showing 0% iac and 0% tps positions and even does this driving on the road good thing i have 1ton brakes and hydroboost or i might not be able to hold it still
15 - coolant temp sensor is a known holley problem they wont fix or replace everyone just takes and buys there own replacement unit for 8-20 bucks and then drop over a gal of coolant out / swap it / refill and wasted time 20* off to the hot when cold and 16*-18* off to the cold when hot and they say this is NOT a problem . . how does it mix the air/fuel ratio's correctly when cold and also when hot this could be a problem with low temp t-stats installed as it switches at around 160* range unless you set your own switch over temp .
16 - intake air temp is in the unit and gets massive heat soak my truck has true cold air feed with the stock closed air filter system and duct to the front of the grill the other day it was 25*F out side and it took over 3 miles of city driving to go from 122*F heat soak down to high 50* showing as the temp . again how is this to mix the ratio correctly if your not up to temp and running off the o2 sensor
17 - found lots and lots of ecm replacment posts on youtube / forums / f-b page of holleys sniper
18 - heard of lots of people returning there units and getting refunds with no problem unlike me .
19 - started seeing the used take off market jump up on ebay for these unit now with few 100 miles or few months run time

i am sure there is more but this should be a good quick skim / low down of my problems with product / support / and others with the same i have found .

[DWilbur]

That is a bummer about the Holley EFI. I have Fitech EFI in my car and it works good. had issue with using the wrong temp sensor and wrong distributor in the beginning but after that was fixed it works good so fare.

[sweetk30]

friend stopped by today and dropped me off a loaner part to get me by .

1411 edelbrock 750cfm electric choke carb

plan is hook a small electric fuel pump i have thats max 4.5psi and suck fuel up the return line to feed it and fire in the hole .

the efi sending unit in these trucks the return line goes to the bottom of the tank so i should be able to use the 5/16" return system for my feed to get me by for now . just need to plow the driveway for the most part at this point .

[sweetk30]

used dont know if it worked fuel pump on firewall = check

few hose clamps and filter with 3ft of hose = check

suck fuel up the 5/16" return line from the efi sender = check

used dont know condition 1411 edelbrock carb no choke hooked up = check

toggle switch under hood just for now to plow driveway = check

fire in the hole / runs o.k. / plow on and ready = check

now i recall why i dont like carb .

note : tbi senders from our square body trucks the return line goes to the bottom of the tank so you can suck fuel up it

[sweetk30]

just a little update :

i found some super expensive fuel system polish cleaner fixer goop . . .

i took the edelbrock carb and buffed the he!! out of it and look what happened . . .

[SunSoaked]

That polish runs about $1600 a tube.

[daddyjeep]

Wow... That is some cleaner.

[RDrancher]

Originally Posted by daddyjeep

Wow... That is some cleaner.

No kidding. Leftovers from rubbing Alladin's lamp?

[sweetk30]

yep but this polish also has a whole lot better reputation in the efi world for the kit so far .

talked with 1/2 a dozen guys with it and love it . 1 guy has just 120 miles on it aand already at 12 mpg and its still learning . the same guy also said he should have just skipped fitech and sniper and went straight for the edelbrock pro flo 4 from the start .

my kit cost 100 extra to get the tablet for it as i dont have tablets or smart phones.

[sweetk30]

the brown truck deliverith today

even started tweeking the unit around for my already plumbed fuel line setup . also added my autometer fuel pressure gauge sender so when the tablet is not on i still know what i have .

[Captainfab]

Anything to update yet?