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RANDY COX · 04-05-2014, 08:40 PM

Yea I was thinking of doing some trading on a 292 but The gentlemen thinks one of the cam lobes is wore. But then I'd have to change out front cross member then try to find power steering brackets and mo money, I'm on a tight budget, so I think I'll just stick with what I got.... I'm going to my brothers tomorrow after church and pick up an engine crane(hoist), pull the engine paint it up real nice and hopefully work on the firewall and maybe paint it before I put the engine back in and that part will be done....

TJ's Chevy · 04-05-2014, 11:38 PM

The 292's came stock as a forest green color..and if done right look really good. I personally am not a fan of green and am going illegal colors with my 292.

enonz65c30 · 04-06-2014, 01:56 PM

man you are making good progress. where abouts in Radford are you? I lived on howe street from 2005-2010, I miss it up there. that 4x4 is going to be nice in the snow too

I building a C30 and I have a lot of the same rust issues you are having. gotta love Virginia.

RANDY COX · 04-06-2014, 02:32 PM

I live just across the Bridge in Fairlawn, So were you a Radford university student. Yea Virginia Rocks.. Do you have a build thread like to see some pictures of your truck...

enonz65c30 · 04-06-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RANDY COX

I live just across the Bridge in Fairlawn, So were you a Radford university student. Yea Virginia Rocks.. Do you have a build thread like to see some pictures of your truck...

Yep I was a highlander. Here is a link to my build thread
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=608391

I know fairlawn well, y'all got a cook out not too long ago. I was passing through awhile ago and stopped in for lunch. Your rockers seem to fit very well much better than the ones I got from top banana parts in Lynchburg va.

RANDY COX · 04-06-2014, 06:50 PM

I live from walking distance from Cook out, I forget what brand the rockers were but I had to cut the spot weld loose at the front and fold the rocker in more then rewelded..

enonz65c30 · 04-06-2014, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RANDY COX

I live from walking distance from Cook out, I forget what brand the rockers were but I had to cut the spot weld loose at the front and fold the rocker in more then rewelded..

ah I got ya, it looks good. I am just getting tired of fixing rust

its just slow going and I am trying not to loose my forward momentum. I look forward to following your build, hopefully all the snow and low temperatures are gone for this year

RANDY COX · 04-06-2014, 07:14 PM

I know what ya mean about the rust. Yea I hope the cold is over now, I don't have a garage so I do everything outside, so the weather plays a big part on how much I get done... I will be checking on your build from time to time cause when I do then it makes me wanna work on mine, keeps me going.... there's lots of good builds on here, check out 61K10's build...

TJ's Chevy · 04-06-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RANDY COX

I know what ya mean about the rust. Yea I hope the cold is over now, I don't have a garage so I do everything outside, so the weather plays a big part on how much I get done... I will be checking on your build from time to time cause when I do then it makes me wanna work on mine, keeps me going.... there's lots of good builds on here, check out 61K10's build...

X2 on "Weather plays big role on how much gets done when you don't have a garage to park the trucks in" lol! I know the feeling.

RANDY COX · 05-01-2014, 06:23 PM

well my engine's were delivered this evening, The clean one I heard run it has a cam lobe wore in the back, and the other one was a freebie and it's not stuck so it may run I have to get me a starter and gonna try and fire it up....

I'll prolly put a new cam and lifters in the clean one it came out of a 65 3/4 ton with 50,000 miles, you would think that the cam wouldn't be wore... anywho I have something else to play with He,He,He.....

**argonaut** · 05-02-2014, 11:05 AM

I always wanted a 292. Those seem like cool old motors. Sometimes you have to wonder about that mileage since the odometer only had 5 digits...could be 50k, 150k, 25th or more!
It is just my unsolicited advice but I would do a quick leak down test or compression test on both motors to see which long block is the tightest. Then you can swap in new cams and oil pumps and other "wear parts" so that you'll have a solid motor that you know will last you a while.
You can get a basic cheap leak down test kit from harbor freight and then just need a compressor.

RANDY COX · 05-02-2014, 04:05 PM

Yea Jason I hear ya, I'm wondering though why it would have a heavy duty double pulley setup, Makes me wonder if it came out of a c-50, I've seem them with that same setup... I'll have to do a compression check on them and see..... You know a lot of people usually when they get an old truck they just swap em out for a V-8 even though the 6 is a good engine, some people like them and some don't, I for some reason like them...

**argonaut** · 05-02-2014, 04:22 PM

The reason for running a dual belt pulley setup would be due to high output accessories. Say a high amp alternator for instance. It takes more torque to turn these and a single v belt has a limited amount of friction with which to turn that pully. So for ambulances or tow trucks with these big alternators you'd need to run dual belts otherwise you get lots of belt slipping and squealing.

**argonaut** · 05-02-2014, 04:23 PM

I'd run the dual belts and then you've got a backup if one should break!

1963c-10 · 05-02-2014, 04:33 PM

Nice score on the new engines

RANDY COX · 05-02-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1963c-10

Nice score on the new engines

Thanks..

61K10 · 05-02-2014, 10:24 PM

should be enough there to build a good one Randy

McMurphy · 05-02-2014, 10:46 PM

Nice score on the motors !!

I would be tempted to just get a couple rebuild kits, a new cam, and rebuild them both !!

Not like these are getting easier to find...

We watched a rebuilt Pontiac IL OHC6 203 sit at $400 on Ebay for 2 weeks, then in the last 5 minutes of the auction it shot up to $1200 before the bidding closed !!

You know, just food for thought.... LoL

RANDY COX · 05-03-2014, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McMurphy

Nice score on the motors !!

I would be tempted to just get a couple rebuild kits, a new cam, and rebuild them both !!

Not like these are getting easier to find...

We watched a rebuilt Pontiac IL OHC6 203 sit at $400 on Ebay for 2 weeks, then in the last 5 minutes of the auction it shot up to $1200 before the bidding closed !!

You know, just food for thought.... LoL

Yea a lot of people like to wait til the last minute to bid, I'm guilty of it too...

RANDY COX · 05-03-2014, 09:18 PM

Well I attempted to start the ole dirty engine, First I pulled a side cover to inspect and also the valve cover and it was actually very clean inside not dirty or gummed up. I put a starter on it and put the carb from the good engine and fuel pump and wires and cap. she was cranking slow I guess I would too if I hadn't been ran since who knows when...Gonna try it tomorrow with a good hot battery, gotta make sure I'm getting fire to...
Oh BTW I know no one ask but I paid $200.00 for both engines I think that was a good deal... I have to check and see where the best place to buy cam and lifters...

McMurphy · 05-03-2014, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RANDY COX

Well I attempted to start the ole dirty engine, First I pulled a side cover to inspect and also the valve cover and it was actually very clean inside not dirty or gummed up. I put a starter on it and put the carb from the good engine and fuel pump and wires and cap. she was cranking slow I guess I would too if I hadn't been ran since who knows when...Gonna try it tomorrow with a good hot battery, gotta make sure I'm getting fire to...
Oh BTW I know no one ask but I paid $200.00 for both engines I think that was a good deal... I have to check and see where the best place to buy cam and lifters...

If you have not seen http://www.stovebolt.com/ give them a look-see. Not just for parts info, but a lot of top end tech info too particularly on these IL6 engines.
Good Luck

RANDY COX · 05-05-2014, 08:36 PM

Well I have some good news I got that ole dirty engine fired up finally, she actually ran pretty smooth, I wanna hook it up to a radiator and run it some more with water and oil pressure gauge and see how it does, she got pretty warm this evening.....before I clean it...McMurphy I'll definitely check them out been a while since I visited...

RANDY COX · 05-18-2014, 06:30 PM

Not much done lately been working a lot, Did manage to get out there today and take some parts off and start cleaning to be painted..

This last pix is the engine that I put on a starter and fuel pump and carb and she fired up.

RANDY COX · 05-18-2014, 06:34 PM

As you can see the date on the pixs I'm 2 days ahead of schedule LOL.

McMurphy · 05-19-2014, 09:26 AM

I am almost envious!!
Looks like you may have really scored with those engines

I bet you are going to have some real fun getting them detailed out !!

Not sure if you ever saw DLOE's build, but here is a link to it.
Definately one of my fave IL6 builds:

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=457465

04-05-2014, 08:40 PM	#76
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Yea I was thinking of doing some trading on a 292 but The gentlemen thinks one of the cam lobes is wore. But then I'd have to change out front cross member then try to find power steering brackets and mo money, I'm on a tight budget, so I think I'll just stick with what I got.... I'm going to my brothers tomorrow after church and pick up an engine crane(hoist), pull the engine paint it up real nice and hopefully work on the firewall and maybe paint it before I put the engine back in and that part will be done.... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

04-05-2014, 11:38 PM	#77
TJ's Chevy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 10,384	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build The 292's came stock as a forest green color..and if done right look really good. I personally am not a fan of green and am going illegal colors with my 292. __________________ 1966 Chevy C10 "Project Two Tone" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=596643 1964 GMC "Crustine" semi-build:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=665056 My youtube channel. Username "Military Chevy": https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_h...fzpcUXyK_5-uiw

04-06-2014, 01:56 PM	#78
enonz65c30 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Powhatan va Posts: 65	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build man you are making good progress. where abouts in Radford are you? I lived on howe street from 2005-2010, I miss it up there. that 4x4 is going to be nice in the snow too I building a C30 and I have a lot of the same rust issues you are having. gotta love Virginia.

04-06-2014, 02:32 PM	#79
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build I live just across the Bridge in Fairlawn, So were you a Radford university student. Yea Virginia Rocks.. Do you have a build thread like to see some pictures of your truck... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

04-06-2014, 06:50 PM	#81
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build I live from walking distance from Cook out, I forget what brand the rockers were but I had to cut the spot weld loose at the front and fold the rocker in more then rewelded.. __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

04-06-2014, 07:14 PM	#83
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build I know what ya mean about the rust. Yea I hope the cold is over now, I don't have a garage so I do everything outside, so the weather plays a big part on how much I get done... I will be checking on your build from time to time cause when I do then it makes me wanna work on mine, keeps me going.... there's lots of good builds on here, check out 61K10's build... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

05-01-2014, 06:23 PM	#85
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build well my engine's were delivered this evening, The clean one I heard run it has a cam lobe wore in the back, and the other one was a freebie and it's not stuck so it may run I have to get me a starter and gonna try and fire it up.... I'll prolly put a new cam and lifters in the clean one it came out of a 65 3/4 ton with 50,000 miles, you would think that the cam wouldn't be wore... anywho I have something else to play with He,He,He..... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

05-02-2014, 11:05 AM	#86
argonaut Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 1,813	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build I always wanted a 292. Those seem like cool old motors. Sometimes you have to wonder about that mileage since the odometer only had 5 digits...could be 50k, 150k, 25th or more! It is just my unsolicited advice but I would do a quick leak down test or compression test on both motors to see which long block is the tightest. Then you can swap in new cams and oil pumps and other "wear parts" so that you'll have a solid motor that you know will last you a while. You can get a basic cheap leak down test kit from harbor freight and then just need a compressor. __________________ Jason M. @argonaut62 1972 K5 Blazer CST, Turquoise 1966 K20 Short Fleet Pickup, Big Ugly 1964 C10 Short Fleet, Gertrude 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera 1996 Ford Bronco XLT 1980 Jeep Wagoneer 2008 Honda CBR1000RR 2005 Honda RC51 1981 Honda CB750C No dis-assemble Johnny Five! No dis-assemble! Last edited by argonaut; 05-02-2014 at 11:16 AM.

05-02-2014, 04:05 PM	#87
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Yea Jason I hear ya, I'm wondering though why it would have a heavy duty double pulley setup, Makes me wonder if it came out of a c-50, I've seem them with that same setup... I'll have to do a compression check on them and see..... You know a lot of people usually when they get an old truck they just swap em out for a V-8 even though the 6 is a good engine, some people like them and some don't, I for some reason like them... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

05-02-2014, 04:22 PM	#88
argonaut Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 1,813	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build The reason for running a dual belt pulley setup would be due to high output accessories. Say a high amp alternator for instance. It takes more torque to turn these and a single v belt has a limited amount of friction with which to turn that pully. So for ambulances or tow trucks with these big alternators you'd need to run dual belts otherwise you get lots of belt slipping and squealing. __________________ Jason M. @argonaut62 1972 K5 Blazer CST, Turquoise 1966 K20 Short Fleet Pickup, Big Ugly 1964 C10 Short Fleet, Gertrude 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera 1996 Ford Bronco XLT 1980 Jeep Wagoneer 2008 Honda CBR1000RR 2005 Honda RC51 1981 Honda CB750C No dis-assemble Johnny Five! No dis-assemble!

05-02-2014, 04:23 PM	#89
argonaut Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 1,813	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build I'd run the dual belts and then you've got a backup if one should break! __________________ Jason M. @argonaut62 1972 K5 Blazer CST, Turquoise 1966 K20 Short Fleet Pickup, Big Ugly 1964 C10 Short Fleet, Gertrude 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera 1996 Ford Bronco XLT 1980 Jeep Wagoneer 2008 Honda CBR1000RR 2005 Honda RC51 1981 Honda CB750C No dis-assemble Johnny Five! No dis-assemble!

05-02-2014, 04:33 PM	#90
1963c-10 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 10,338	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Nice score on the new engines __________________ 1963 Short bed step side SBW 427 big block and borg warner T-16 HD 3 speed manual http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=519869 1963 Short bed fleetside BBW 348 1st gen big block w/Powerglide http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=619024 1964 Short bed trailer

05-02-2014, 10:24 PM	#92
61K10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pleasant valley--placerville ca Posts: 3,039	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build should be enough there to build a good one Randy __________________ 1961 chevy K10 my build is------------61K10 build

05-02-2014, 10:46 PM	#93
McMurphy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 2,425	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Nice score on the motors !! I would be tempted to just get a couple rebuild kits, a new cam, and rebuild them both !! Not like these are getting easier to find... We watched a rebuilt Pontiac IL OHC6 203 sit at $400 on Ebay for 2 weeks, then in the last 5 minutes of the auction it shot up to $1200 before the bidding closed !! You know, just food for thought.... LoL __________________ Michael McMurphy My 66 Stepside My 64 Tow Truck My 66 Tempest Table Of Contents Added to Page1

05-03-2014, 09:18 PM	#95
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Well I attempted to start the ole dirty engine, First I pulled a side cover to inspect and also the valve cover and it was actually very clean inside not dirty or gummed up. I put a starter on it and put the carb from the good engine and fuel pump and wires and cap. she was cranking slow I guess I would too if I hadn't been ran since who knows when...Gonna try it tomorrow with a good hot battery, gotta make sure I'm getting fire to... Oh BTW I know no one ask but I paid $200.00 for both engines I think that was a good deal... I have to check and see where the best place to buy cam and lifters... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4



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05-05-2014, 08:36 PM	#97
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Well I have some good news I got that ole dirty engine fired up finally, she actually ran pretty smooth, I wanna hook it up to a radiator and run it some more with water and oil pressure gauge and see how it does, she got pretty warm this evening.....before I clean it...McMurphy I'll definitely check them out been a while since I visited... __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

05-18-2014, 06:30 PM	#98
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build Not much done lately been working a lot, Did manage to get out there today and take some parts off and start cleaning to be painted.. This last pix is the engine that I put on a starter and fuel pump and carb and she fired up. __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4 Last edited by RANDY COX; 05-18-2014 at 06:32 PM. Reason: added another pix

05-18-2014, 06:34 PM	#99
RANDY COX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: RADFORD, VA Posts: 2,651	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build As you can see the date on the pixs I'm 2 days ahead of schedule LOL. __________________ 1964 BBC 402 4x4

05-19-2014, 09:26 AM	#100
McMurphy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 2,425	Re: Randy & Jakes 64 4x4 SLOW build I am almost envious!! Looks like you may have really scored with those engines I bet you are going to have some real fun getting them detailed out !! Not sure if you ever saw DLOE's build, but here is a link to it. Definately one of my fave IL6 builds: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=457465 __________________ Michael McMurphy My 66 Stepside My 64 Tow Truck My 66 Tempest Table Of Contents Added to Page1 Last edited by McMurphy; 05-19-2014 at 04:41 PM.

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