Project Grande Slam: Coley's Hot Rod Shop

[CC69Rat]

Just doing research right now.. possibly next fall ( so I can keep it running this summer and finish up my stepside)
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[Rusbuilt]

Cool man! I have a 5.3 and a lot of parts I won't be using if you're interested I will make you a deal! The engine needs to be rebuilt though.

[shawno72]

Everthing is turning out real nice for ya Chad. I'm glad, it couldn't of happened to a nicer fella.
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[CC69Rat]

Thanks guys- I have been really stressed about my job lately. This new job, man.. I really hope it works out.. Its more along the lines of what I know and like to do.

My trucks were on hold for a minute. Ill be back in the game soon.
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[bossmanivy]

I hope things work in your favor with the job. I'm excited for you! Hurry up with that bathroom so you can get back on the trucks!
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[superflysteiny]

When I saw you had to repair the wheel I thought it was something I did and you did not see. My heart started to race. Then I looked back on the thread and saw what had happened. I am sorry that happened but at least you fixed it

[CC69Rat]

Nooo.. man it was a crazy kid with a four way lug wrench! I about passed out.
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[CC69Rat]

I need some help fellas ..

I am in the market for my Master Cyl, and prop valve for the disc/disc setup. What are you guys running? I looked at CPP this morning and they have a Tandem Chambered type for $259

http://www.classicperform.com/Store/...260-8556-P.htm

This one looks really clean to me. they have one that's solid black eCoat too for the same price. This one is 1 1/8" bore too. I have a brand new OE booster I could run .. but my question is, .. does this MC even need the booster? I see some of the guys running Wilwood (Raull, N2Billet) that appear to have this same MC, but no booster? Is the Prop valve built in to this MC? Pretty cool ..

Help me choose please. What would you guys run? My truck was original power drum up front. Realizing I might need to change and / or run new lines for this one.. your thoughts?

[lolife99]

I'm running this M/C on my stepside.
If you like the feel of brakes with a booster,... this will definitely be a different/harder pedal without the booster.

I have a manual set up on my red '69 with an aftermarket prop valve.
When I switch it to rear disc brakes,... I'm going to run a Wilwood M/C and just install an adjustable prop valve in the rear line.
(mounted under the cab on the frame)
This way I can clean up the brake lines under the hood.

[CC69Rat]

I'm an ole Heel/Toe Boris Said type driver .. I like to drag the brake a little, so I guess a hard pedal would not be for me. So this MC would bolt up to the original booster ? I thought I might get the black one so it goesn't look so 'Aftermarket' compared to my other stuff under the hood now. Black booster, black MC?

Am I correct and the prop valve on this one is built in to the MC? I'm just not a big fan of the bracket hanging down beneath it for the prop valve. I'm open to put it on the frame rail too though. Would you have any reference material, pics of how it's done?

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by CC69Rat

I'm an ole Heel/Toe Boris Said type driver .. I like to drag the brake a little, so I guess a hard pedal would not be for me. So this MC would bolt up to the original booster ? I thought I might get the black one so it goesn't look so 'Aftermarket' compared to my other stuff under the hood now. Black booster, black MC?

Am I correct and the prop valve on this one is built in to the MC? I'm just not a big fan of the bracket hanging down beneath it for the prop valve. I'm open to put it on the frame rail too though. Would you have any reference material, pics of how it's done?

The Wilwood M/C will bolt up to your booster.
There is no built in prop valve.
CPP sells a M/C of their own brand that has a built in prop valve,... but I've never used one.
I'll look for some pics.

And if you decide to get the Wilwood M/C,... try Summit Racing or Jegs.
They keep them in stock.

I think n2billet runs a 7/8" bore M/C on Hazel's manual brake set up.
I have a 1" bore on my '69's manual set up.
I think you would want a 1-1/8" bore for your disc/disc power set up.

Maybe someone else will chime in with their opinion.

[lolife99]

Wilwood sells just the adjustable "in-line" version for the rear brakeline.
Just make sure you order the correct version.
They have 3,... with different thread sizes attheports.
( I would use the inverted flare version)

They also have a new style adjustable prop valve that incorporates a brake light switch.

[lolife99]

I also have the black version of this M/C on my stepside project.
But I'm running a SSBC adjustable prop valve mounted on the frame.

[CC69Rat]

So the lines would run out of the MC, then into the Prop valve, and out to the wheels.. (?) I am pretty sure that's correct. Which side of the frame rail would be better, driver / pass ? Is it better to have the valve closer to the MC or further away .. Assuming all new lines and custom bent tubing ?

May be goofy questions, but that's how I learn. Thanks for your help.

[CC69Rat]

That's it right there man. WOW.

So I could do this same setup with a booster to make it less of a 'hard' pedal feel ?

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by CC69Rat

So the lines would run out of the MC, then into the Prop valve, and out to the wheels.. (?) I am pretty sure that's correct. Which side of the frame rail would be better, driver / pass ? Is it better to have the valve closer to the MC or further away .. Assuming all new lines and custom bent tubing ?

May be goofy questions, but that's how I learn. Thanks for your help.

I mounted my prop valve on the drivers side.

I never understood GM's reasoning for running the REAR line across the back of the crossmember to the passenger side,... and then down the frame rail to the rearend.
I ran my new rear line down the driver's side frame rail.

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by CC69Rat

That's it right there man. WOW.

So I could do this same setup with a booster to make it less of a 'hard' pedal feel ?

Sure.
I would contact Wilwood and ask them about the correct bore for a power brake set-up.
http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinde...ter%20Cylinder

http://www.wilwood.com/PDF/DataSheets/ds487.pdf

[lolife99]

This is CPP's M/C with built in prop valve,...
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cl...501c/overview/

[CC69Rat]

That black Wilwood MC is killer though. I think that might be the ticket. I like the idea of adjustability for the rear 'kick' too. What do most people run 65/35 or so ? (35% rear?) I have never had a 4 wheel disc setup before. .. just not sure how it's setup. Just adjust it to my liking?

( I have on newer cars, .. just not something I installed I mean. I have had 1LE Z28, Corvette, Trans Am, BMW 335, etc.)

[big_al_71]

I have the willwood manual master cylinder and proportioning valve have been driving it for a year now. the pedal is hard but it stops on a dime.. i wanted the clean look of not having a big booster in the way.

[big_al_71]

here is another angle

[CC69Rat]

^^ Friggin sweet man .. That's the one I want. So, I just need that MC (figure out the bore size) and an adj prop valve? . . and of course my lines and stuff.

Running the big bore and this booster with adjustability do you think it would stop my mighty 350 and 3OTT ?

[big_al_71]

Originally Posted by CC69Rat

^^ Friggin sweet man .. That's the one I want. So, I just need that MC (figure out the bore size) and an adj prop valve? . . and of course my lines and stuff.

Running the big bore and this booster with adjustability do you think it would stop my mighty 350 and 3OTT ?

Without a doubt!!!


It definetly stops my small block 406 with my heavy foot on both gas and brake pedal..

[CC69Rat]

I think you need a twin turbo LS in Sylvester Al.


(jus kididn man .. )

[big_al_71]

Originally Posted by CC69Rat

I think you need a twin turbo LS in Sylvester Al.


(jus kididn man .. )

Sylvester is done!!


Unless this motor gets hurt other than that it is "Finished"