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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
i just wanted to make it as cheap as i can. by changing the spindels and the upper and lower tie rod
and using the adapters was the cheaper way. others wise im going to have to replace and buy ever single item i want to upgrade to disc but im on a budget if someone has a link to those adapter sleeve would be great! |
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
here's what i've found to be the easiest: Early Classic Enterprises has a spindle that works with the stock 64-66 suspension. I've grabbed calipers, booster, master and small parts from a 80 G-20 van. Yard parts=$50. Dropped spindles and 6 lug 1 1/4 rotors+dust caps, bearings, etc small pieces=500. So for $550 I will upgrade everything. If I went to 5 lug I could subtract about 130 from that total of new parts.
Freaking gorgeous pieces from ECE. can't wait to get my spindles. The extra benefit is that they are 12" rotors, not the 10" found in some of the kits. Massive freaking rotors. I'll post pics of the upgrade when I have all the parts. ![]() |
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
I looked for those adapter adjusting sleeves but couldn'r find them....I know I've seen them before, and have seen guys on here using them. Maybe one of them will chime in. Seems to me they were a little $$. You might check into the cost on those inner tierods I listed above, plus a pair of stock '73-'87 adjusting sleeves, and see how they compare to the adapter sleeves cost wise.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
i need help with front suspension. my 66 gmc has 8 lugs drums and im on a really tigth budget i need a simple list of parts to make it a 6 lug.i want to keep my crossmember and control arm other then that i need to find out how to bolt it in. im new to my 66 gmc c1500 3/4 ton first time drum to disc brake swap
real tigth budget i have to grab parts from junk yard piece by piece |
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
ive just search each part number and some were incorrect part numbers and the rest were exact parts listed
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
OOOOk, which ones are you saying are incorrect part numbers?
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
the only one i think was the inner and utter beaaring a seal br3 and 5 with to brake shoes and 19984 inner seal went to another part but the rest were ok
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
Well I just looked this up again, and of course O'Reilly's have changed to their brands of parts. All of these part numbers were for the brand of parts that were on the site when they were CSK. So since they no longer carry CR seals, I couldn't verify that part number, but I can check on that tomorrow. As for the bearings, it still shows a set #5 for the inner and a set #3 for the outer. The only difference is the prefix has changed to a 'A' from a 'BR' due to the brand change.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
thanks captain
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
I checked on that part number for the seal, and that is the correct one.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
I am getting all the parts together and I have 2 questions for you CaptFab.
1. I'm using the 6 lug rotors, same p/n as you posted. Is there a dust cap available? Everywhere I go says n/a. 2. Is the fitting on the 88+ brake hoses the same as the old inverted flair on the hard line or are they metric bubble requiring an adapter? Thanks!
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
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I'm pretty sure they are the metric bubble flare. I can verify that tomorrow as well as provide a part number for a metric to inverted flare adapter.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
OK I have an update.
The dust caps for the '73-'87 C10 5 lug rotors will fit the '88-'98 6 lug rotors. Also the '88-'98 5 lug rotors use the same size dust cap. Those should be easy enough to find. Regarding the front brake hoses. I checked one that I have from my '94 C1500 donor and to my surprise they are standard 3/16" inverted flare.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
Thanks. Just goes to show its a gamble whether GM used metric or US in the 80-90s.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
well i just picked up some 5 lug spindles today at half off price today at picknpull the spindles are from a 73 chevy what other parts do i need to make my 8 lug 65 c1500 gmc to 5 lug disc brake
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
Spindle backing plates & bolts, calipers & bolts, rubber flex lines, rotors, seals, bearings, the correct BJ's (upper & lower) for the spindles, a disc brake master cyl, pwr booster (if you're converting to pwr brakes @ the same time), & the correct tie-rods/adapter sleeves so the disc spindle outer tie-rods work w/the drum spindle inner tie-rods.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
Scot pretty much covered it.
You won't need the special tie rod adapters if you change the complete steering linkage for the '73-'87 assembly. There is another possibility on that, but I haven't been able to confirm yet that it will actually work. I don't know for sure just what lower ball joints you will need to use, as I haven't done the swap quite like you're doing. The ball joint hole in the lower control arm is larger than the C10 ball joints. And you can't just change the lower control arm for the C10 unit since they mount differently. You may have to try a few different lower ball joints to find what will work. You might get lucky and the '63-'70 lower ball joint may work with the '73-'87 spindle. That is why I mentioned earlier about using the '88-'98 spindle, since I know what works to do the conversion that way. Let us know what you find to work. Quote:
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
then it would of been best to just find some 88-98 spindles or am i still ok with the 73's i got today, just have to try diffrent lower ball joint to see the best fitment.
also i would like some more info on tie rods part i just got done with school and learning collision repair so dont really know the mechaincal repair yet thats why im here to learn from u peeps |
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
Here is one of my other posts on the subject of tie rods. However I don't know just what size your original C20 inner tie rods are as compared to the C10 inner tie rods. I wouldn't give up on the '73 spindles just yet....see if they will work with the '63-'70 lower ball joints first.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
are the upper and lower control arm interchangeable with frame and crossmember if so i migth just go and look for some this weekend
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
I'm not quite sure what you mean.
As I mentioned in post #132 above, you can't just switch the lower control arms. This is because the '63-'66 C20's have a flat lower control arm shaft that bolts directly to the crossmember. The C10's from '63-'87 and the C20's from '67-'87 both use round control arm shafts that sit in a saddle that is riveted to the crossmember and attached with U-bolts. Without making it difficult, you will have to change the front suspension crossmember if you want to use the C10 lower control arms. A last minute thought here, you might be able to switch the control arm shafts from your C20 arms to a set of '63-'70 lower control arms. I'm not sure if the bushings are the same or not. If you decide to try this, be forewarned, changing the control arm shafts and the steel bushings can be a big pita unless you have the proper tools to do it.....even then.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
i see what your saying the only way it would work is if i would switch crossmembers this will be the only way to remove the c20 lower arms and switch them to the correct c10 arms that would bolt rigth in. So in this case let say i did switch the cross member to a later model would i have any problem with the engine mounts as i tend to keep my stock 305.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
I'm assuming you are referring to the 305 V6? I don't think you'll have any issues with using your existing engine mounts with the later model crossmember. As far as I know the later model cross members have the lower motor mount bracket holes in the same location.
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
i think im ganna switch crossmember to make this a easy brake build oh yea its the 305 v6
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Re: Disc Brake Upgrade Reference Thread
Ok, sorry I am sure this has been talked about somewhere in here but I couldn’t find it. Anyway I have a 66 short fleet, and I bought a 76 short step side to part out for my truck. I am really unsure what I want to do. Kinda wanna keep it 6 lug because I like my wheels and used 6 lug wheel are much easier to find. So what could I do to the 76 ft end to make it 6 lug? But if I go 5 lug anything weird with putting the 76 rear end in my truck. Sorry for the dumb questions. LOL
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