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Re: 55 Wagon Progress
That wiring was terrible, and dangerous, but that frame ground wire takes the cake. It puzzled me at first, but then it came to me. He has heard the term "ground loop" and must have thought it meant something like that. Glad you fixed that wiring before the car burned up. Also, that pulling tractor looks beautiful. I watch tractor pulling on TV and I will watch to see if I see it.
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Ace Chassis is the name of his company, he has tractors in about seven different countries.
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Progress on the 39's wiring, let's show this with a before and after sequence..
This car has the battery mounted behind the passenger seat, and the orange cable shown is the positive cable. (ground cable hidden above muffler) Both cables exit directly above muffler with not quite enough room for a good bend radius, as shown by the melted insulation. The other hoses shown are the heat and AC lines as that is also located behind the driver's seat. We relocated the battery cable entry points to in front of the muffler. The heat and AC lines were re-dressed and loop clamped to get them farther away from the muffler.. Rubber plugs were used to fill the old holes. This is the previous location of the fuse box (it's in there someplace) With the fuse box relocated under the dash, the floor area is cleared up with less chance of stepping on wires. The radio and antenna cabling will be routed into the glove box, the radio location. Previous underdash: Fabricated plate for mounting fuse box up under the dash.. Steering knuckle sleeve weld... Despite grinding out the mud dauber's nest and wiping multiple times with acetone, we still got a pin hole in the weld. To limit damage (shrinking) from excessive heat we left it with the pin hole. Still much better than what was there prior. The links for the front sway bar as well as the radius arms had little left for bushings. The local auto parts store was not much help for replacement parts, so some delrin round stock was used to fabricate bushings. The tag light insulator was hard plastic and brittle, so our attempts to install a longer wire for the light resulted in a broken insulator. More delrin to the rescue.. Left to do is the front end/engine compartment and re-assembly.
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A recent find of some metalshaping tools, finally found a stake plate and stake anvils... Along with some dolly's I didn't have..
https://youtu.be/p2Hr-YZL448 The wiring harness installed, here's our first test start of the 39.... https://youtu.be/MfxF8fu39s4 Lighting tests: https://youtu.be/rF4uwzYycLs https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bBfAGzQnuL8 With that, the 39 has left the building... Here's the test drive taking it home. Also found out the easy way of opening the ash tray... https://youtu.be/QkSSQfQtnmk
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We've all seen the rusted out floor pans in old cars with a sign screwed or pop riveted in place to keep your feet from falling through. As a first for me, now I've repaired one of those signs. We needed to make some dies for the Lennox to produce the "picture frame" border...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHXHTfZsG0 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lwfCSv58raE The owner plans on using panel adhesive to attach, in order to save as much of the original paint as possible. We made some splice plates for the back side to use with the panel adhesive. He has an artist lined up to re-create the bottom portion.
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The hinge covers for the wagon is one of the many loose ends we have left to address, quite a bit of rust...
A quick test fit before we go off fabricating anything shows these factory original parts are no better than many of the reproduction parts you get today.. I had planned on fabrication work, didn't know we needed a redesign. We ordered a piece of round stock to match the radius to use on the Magnetic brake, that should arrive Tuesday. Next, we need to fold a hem for our stainless edge trim we plan on using for the ribbed stainless dash insert. The magnetic brake leaves a bit to be desired in having balls enough to hem a short return flange, so we packed up our sheet metal strips we had cut to size and went to another local metalshaper's shop to make use of his apron brake. A piece of .030 aluminum acted as a spacer to maintain our hem gap. The brake worked well but the parts needed a bit more flatness to provide nice crisp details. Since he also had a powered Mittler Bros. bead roller, we used some flat dies and ran through all the bent pieces. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hrFMqEeRhAw test fit of the ribbed stainless.... And for a teaser of how it will look after polishing.... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GfqiYbIZYvo
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Great work...Jim
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Thanks Jim!
We had a customer bring in a "Patent Idea Display". This had a battery pack inside that powered the headlights (headlight bezels not shown) and featured a rod down the bottom that would oscillate the left headlight, and I believe would flash that headlight as well (based on linkage tied to a relay inside). The control switch is actually the left half of a Model T instrument cluster. It has obviously had parts (hood) that went missing over the years and an aluminum flashing replacement had been added. He wanted a hood fabricated that looked more period correct, so we offered to do louvers and a faux hinge at the top. For the hood we used 19 gauge AKDQ, and for the louvers we are using the Diacro press brake. The louver dies weren't tall enough for the Diacro, so an adapter was used at the top to make up the difference. Our practice punches worked fine, but the machine did not have enough depth to the vertical supports of the press brake for the size of our hood. We would need to get sketchy. Real sketchy. With only about half of each die in the machine, and two set screws holding on for dear life.... https://youtu.be/2ktrqMyY2VQ With louvers punched, we used the highly technical argon bottle radius brake to add our hoop. next on the list was to make our hinge using a piece of 1/4" stainless tubing. Next, our hood needs the beltline bead to match cars of the era, and to simulate the hidden hinges for the hood sides. https://youtu.be/Vm47BL7zQ8g Our "hinge" was plug welded in place... Media blasted for better paint adhesion, and ready for delivery..
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that is cool as all heck..!!!!!...nice work.!!
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Great Job again.
You have the best ideas and designs. ![]()
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Thanks guys! We just had to improve over the plain looking version that came in the door, I'm real pleased with the outcome.
Here's the fabrication of our hinge covers for the wagon, since the originals didn't fit well at all. Some 1-3/16 round stock was used on the magnetic brake to provide a much closer matching radius profile, and some severe stretching was done along the bottom flange and up into the radius. The reverse crease was added using a dulled and rounded press brake die section as an anvil. https://youtu.be/-ipNQnB4cjA Much nicer look over the stock ones. While I was working on those, Jared has been prepping our stainless trim parts for polishing/buffing...
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Fantastic work Robert
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Tying up some loose ends, We still need to finish the wiring at the back of the car, but in the middle of modifying the tail light fixtures for bulb relocation. To that end, in an attempt to keep grounding issues to a minimum, quick disconnect tabs are silver soldered to the tail light housings.
Next, we started the installation of the rear power windows. The rear motors had been mocked up a couple of times and the screw holes in the plastic housings were loose/borderline stripped. So they were drilled and tapped, and 10-32 heli-coils installed for a more permanent solution. Once the power window track was installed, the OEM stop block for downward travel of the window was found to be useless as the window bottomed out into the wheelwell. Some delrin was cut to size, notched for a snug fit onto the track, and two holes drilled for attachment to the track. Worked well... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vjqXa3sq7D0 While here at the rear window, we still needed to drill mounting holes for the shoulder harness through the window garnish moldings. A 1/2-13 bolt was used to fabricate a threaded hole spotter on the lathe, complete with flats for wrench installation. With garnish molding positioned, a quick tap of the dead blow hammer gives an exact location for the hole. Next, in order that we don't leave an unfinished hole edge, a punch set was machined for the lathe, complete with stepped shoulders to prevent any movement in the jaws when pressure was applied. This will swage the hole edge for a nice inward flange... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLbmvCv3kk And we had received our new shipment of Cubitron H/L paper from Three Mules Welding Supply for dressing out stainless, so Jared continued prepping our edge trim parts. Where the hemming process we used with the bead roller isn't an exacting science, we did have some variance in the gap opening that made the prepping process a challenge. In order to get more consistency in gap width, (and thus flange flatness) a new widget tool was fabricated out of 16 gauge to open up those tight spots. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6FTmd8KPPu8 .
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More progress on the dash inset. In order to form the outer edge trim to fit, we made an "anvil" out of 19 gauge that match the dash inset. The excess flange was trimmed in the area of the sharp bend.
Some heat was applied to the bend area, slight persuasion added to bend a few degrees, the area flattened to remove any puckers, and repeat. Then we needed to shrink the flange on the insides to match the opening. This was accomplished by squeezing the two edge trim ends together, adding a patch of heat to form a tuck, and then flatten out the tucks to provide the shrink. https://youtu.be/mDUlnW5rNSA For attachment to the dash, 8-32 press studs were installed in the inner flanges where they are also out of sight. The ribbed stainless was installed in the edge trim, then wrapped around our oxygen bottle to provide the radius. And a sneak peek at our trim fitted to the dash... https://youtu.be/wZk6FftVcC0
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More shiny stuff...
Since I was on a road trip Sunday, I popped in and visited the patent display that we made the hood for. The owner has it re-wired and reflectors installed. This video gives a better idea of what it was used for.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0gYxvY2m4 Back in the early 20's there were lights that would attach to the bumper and a cable driven mechanism attached to the front steering so that the light would follow the direction of travel. Advantageous for the limited brightness of the headlamps in those days. So this was likely a salesman's prop for selling such a lighting accessory.
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Before we could install the rear bumper we needed to install the rear bumper seal, this keeps exhaust fumes from sneaking through and getting sucked in the back tailgate. The seal sits in a channel which is then "crimped" with some rounded pliers. Only my rounded pliers did not work, we needed parallel jaw pliers. So these channel locks were modified by adding the round stock. Only that did not hold well enough, so a dimpler was added to the bottom jaw, as shown...
These dimples gave us enough grip, and any chips were removed and then recoated with a couple coats of epoxy primer. Here's the bumper added, and a video that better shows the hidden hardware... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLtCAbLpv48 Here's a closer look at the forming of the edge trim for our dash inset trim. We had made a template out of 19 gauge steel to match the dash inset, and used it (and some heat) to form the point. This video shows the shrinking of the flange so the edge trim would match. The upper and lower edge trim was squeezed while applying heat to form a tuck for shrinking the flange and providing the radius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwpt3_R4284 All shaped, before polishing.. Press studs installed... Ribbed stainless insert added and our green radius brake used to match the dash profile... One last touch-up to the polishing and installed in the dash..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpRCFd29c8Y
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Looking O so good Robert..!!!!!!
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Thanks Greg!
I've been remiss in posting an update. We've been doing a bit of block sanding interior parts, and its just hard to make those pictures look like any semblance of progress. We pulled the front fenders back off, we had mocked them up in order to modify the upper fender mounts at the cowl. They came with some excessively sized holes to allow plenty of adjustment, and we had filled in the factory hole and re-drilled to a normal clearance hole. Here shown after a spray of Organic Green KBC, and the stainless washers we used as shims. Hard to leave those stacked washers after we did the other cleanup in resizing the bracket's mounting hole. We had some black delrin scraps left over from making the radius arm bushings for Jared's 39, so we put them to use here. Since they had already been drilled, we added an aluminum plug and match drilled the holes to match the bracket. Installed, the black delrin is barely noticeable and makes for a cleaner detail over the stacked washers. Some of the parts we sprayed while the front fenders were off. With the core support reinstalled, we started on the installation of the inner fenders. Since our cowl bracket was all cleaned up now, we needed to address the attaching hardware. This started with 400 grit and worked up to 5000 trizact before hitting the buffer... https://youtube.com/shorts/nEgXyGHNFto?feature=share Much better! And so we can finalize the wiring at the back of the car, the tail-light housings had been sprayed in epoxy and we added some catalyzed white to the inner portion for some brighter lights. .....and the day job has me building anchored support stanchions for some phone lockers and naturally the mounting holes are on the back side for a wall mounting only. What we need are some bolting plates to hold things down as I wasn’t comfortable with rivnuts in the chinesium steel flange on the bottom. Well, said flange also has a 1/4” upward fold for added strength, so our bolting plate will need a tight reverse bend to offset those but still leave room for press nuts on the end flanges. So some 1/2” wide female VEE dies were set up opposing each other with just enough offset to make two bends at once. Shroud added for weather resistance..
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Thanks!!
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Last bit of progress, we got the hinges painted so hopefully we can get the tailgate installed this weekend...
installing more shiny stuff.... We had not pre-drill the holes for the partial spear on the doors when we installed new door skins, so here we mask off the bottom of the door and drill SLOWLY to prevent heat buildup. Then the fresh holes are touched up with two coats of epoxy primer. Once dry the spears are added.. And our dash clock showed up so we can get that hole filled as well
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While assembling the door bits, we noticed that the retaining clip for the reproduction lock cylinders did not match the originals, which would leave us with a gaping hole in the back side of the inner door.
So we had media blasted the originals and sent to the Shop at Shorty's for a cerakote finish of gun metal grey. As my luck would have it, the door skins we had installed had some accuracy issues in the lock hole locations. Aligning the clip to the lock hole would result in a slight misalignment out back... and you know Robert's not having that. With Cerakote still fresh, some trimming was done so we could use the original clips to fill the hole void, and the new ones would be used to hold the lock cylinder in place as well as the original clip, whose new job has been reduced to filling a slotted opening. Some window sealant will slow any movement of the pretend clip. And the same effort repeated for the driver's side. Where it wasn't as far off as the other side, our mods were still required. Mandatory Kramer photo bomb Adding the pull rod for the door lock.... and the addition of a rubber grommet will help keep rattles down. Jared applied some Kilmat inside the tailgate and we added more bling.. And we've had a casualty with the Baileigh magnetic brake. The magnet stopped working and some troubleshooting found an open with the coil. Some inspection of the supply wires found an over heat issue. Removing all the epoxy showed it's been warm for awhile.... So it looks like we'll be in search of replacement parts.
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Nice work on the "Robert ain't having it" issues..!!!!
I always wondered how your mag brake worked.. or I guess dont work now...but I know you'll getter done..
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Thanks Greg!
More progress, we were test fitting the power antenna an noticed that the mounting bezel did not sit horizontally on the fender. I had quickly whipped up a wedge shaped and tapered spacer out of some aluminum as a quick test. Where that was functional, it did not match the chrome finish of the bezel. I picked up a chunk of 1" stainless rod (local drop cut) to make a duplicate out of stainless. The wedge shape was added first, using the 12" disc sander... then clamped in the Southbend for the taper cut and a hole boring. ....and trimmed off to length In order to hold this oddball shape for polishing, some rivnuts were used on a 1/2-13 bolt, with the wedge angle added to one for a more positive hold.. Completed, this matches the chrome finish of the bezel much better... Since we were ready to re-install the front fenders, I thought I'd grab pictures of our fine-tuning adjustment screws for the fender to door alignment. The hex bolt shown on the right is filling an existing hole that used to have a rubber plug in it. I guess having pulled out the dried and cracked old rubber plug, I wanted a more permanent solution. We were going to use that hole but it did not align with the rib on the fender's rear brace. So another hole was drilled next to it, a 3/8-16 AVK style rivet nut installed, and a fully threaded bolt added. The bolt head was covered with a rubber cap and the inside end of the bolt had a slot added for adjustment purposes. Now we could use a screwdriver to adjust the screw outward, pushing the center of the fender until it aligns to the door surface.. A jam nut on the inside tightens against the rivnut to prevent any movement. And with our upper fender mounts painted, they get installed using polished button head hardware and our barely noticeable shims we had fabricated. In the tooling department, we needed a tight radius reverse bend on some .090 aluminum, so a Gene Winfield inspired 1-1/4" round stock was added to our 4" pipe. This was bolted straight into tapped holes and used two stacked flat washers to provide the gap. The aluminum was 5052 alloy and was annealed prior to bending.
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More progress on the wagon. While reassembling the front end, Jared noticed the fenders were a bit high at the cowl. This next picture shows it, although the perspective makes it a bit exaggerated.
So we pulled each of our new shims we had made and shaved another 1/16" off the height. This shows the fender height after adjusting the shim height. But shows our next back up and punt moment. The wedge shim we had made for the antenna was too steep, and this shows the actual angle needed. So we made another with less angle... Note some "pre-polishing" was done on the lathe prior to cutting off the wedge to make things a bit easier. Final version installed and vertical orientation verified... Next, we got the driver's door wiring routed through the upper door hinge... much easier after the trial-and-error practice we did on the passenger side. ...and with the front fenders back on to stay, Jared reassembled some of the core support parts. Moving to the rear of the car, we started the rear tail-light install now that they have been painted inside and out. Wiring was routed through OEM style boots to help minimize any water intrusion into the lamp sockets. Replacement button contacts were used in the sockets (w-crimp) to eliminate any unneeded splicing of the wiring. Wiring complete, with bulb seal attached to the housing: Rivet-nuts were installed for mounting the housing.... Nice snug fit to the body, and a functional test to make sure we're done here.. Moving to the passenger side, we'd need to secure the harness to the tail-light swing arm mechanism (part of the hidden gas door mod) so we planned to add some heli-coils in the arm for adel clamps. I had a long 1/8" bit to get in close to the corner, but our final size of 13/64 for the 10-32 heli-coil tap would be another issue. Then I noticed some tubing in the scrap pile that had a 3/16 ID, just undersized. So our drill bit was clamped in the 3 jaw chuck of the lathe, and the tail stock used to press the two together. Now we had an extended bit to complete the heli-coil installation. ...and a functional test of the wiring on the arm... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JzA6W2BdyyQ
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Wagon 2.0 progress, I was tasked with adding a paint job to this:
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