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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
I'm trying to pay attention - the frame was together and good to go and now it's completely apart and being redone.
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Small update. I need a transmission so I can mock up the engine/trans to make mounts and to make sure that I leave room around the drivetrain when building the X member. I thought about a T5 from an S10 but I don't think those will be strong enough once I get the 250 built. I don't want an auto because I'd rather stir my own gears, and because real hot rods have three pedals.
![]() Dad had a steel table frame that needed to be powdercoated so I went ahead and took the bed floor support channels and a few small peices with his table frame to the powercoaters, and they'll be ready to pick up this week. I've also decided to move the gas tank to behind the axle for better weight distribution, and may move the battery also. A trailer hitch will add some weight in the rear too. ![]()
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Got up Saturday and started the day off right.
![]() I got all the crossmembers out and was going to finish making templates for the frame boxing but Christmas shopping got in the way. Which was a good thing since I've decided to not box the frame, just do an upper and lower X member. From what I've read lately boxing doesn't add much torsional rigidity, and I don't want to add the extra weight if it won't help much. Here's another reason I'm not boxing the frame. Hotchkis didn't do boxing on the C10 they built (pictured below), so that's reason enough for me. You have to be logged in to veiw the pics in the link, but it's worth signing up for. http://c10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8455 I'll still double or triple box the frame in the C notch area since boxing the frame helps alot with horizontal loading, and I do plan on towing with the truck. I'll be off all next week so I'll hopefully be able to get a good bit of the bracing done, depending on how many Christmas/family gatherings we have going on. ![]()
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
man, now i'm gonna have to go out & get a Yoo-hoo,
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
WOW! Just read this whole thread. Makes me rethink what building a "driver" means as far as detail goes...
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
i got the same c-notch as you and was thinking of welding it in and double brace it, with one in the middle and one on the outside out of 1/4" plate, i think that would work! i'm still waiting to be able to tow with it too!! one thing about having a project is plans change often, lol!!
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We had a stock '65 with a 230/250 I6 in the shop today for a new windshield so I took some pics for reference. ![]() There's not much room to drop the engine like I had hoped to be able to since the steering linkage is in the way. I wanted to notch the crossmember a few inches, but I'd also have to come up with a dropped center steering cross bar. I had planned on using No Limit's rack and pinion kit later on, but I'm not sure it would work with a notched crossmember/dropped engine. The only other option would be to notch the oil pan, but I don't think there's much clearance to be gained there. So dropping the engine may get scratched off the "to do" list. I guess this works for other guys that have shorter V8's. ![]() ![]() There's also not much room to move the engine rearward without moving the engine down. Maybe an inch at the most without reworking the firewall- which for sure isn't gunna happen. Hopefully the T56 will clear the floor (low hump) without dropping the engine. The dropped center steering linkage is doable if I have to though. ![]() ![]() I picked up the bed support rails and a few parts from the powdercoaters this week and ordered the steel for the X member and frame bracing, which should be here mid next week. I decided to go with 1"x2" 14g rectangle tube. I'm thinking that most all the load on the tubing will be a compression load (trying the make the tubing shorter) so thicker .125" wall tube wouldn't really be that helpful, and weigh more. ![]() And lastly, Danbury Mint now makes a 1:24 scale model of my truck! It's a short/fleet BBW with Saddle Poly two tone! I may have to pick one of these up as a Christmas gift to myself! Thanks to sigshooter for sending me the info on these! ![]()
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
Couple things.... If you look up the Bapst truck here... hes the guy that runs the autocross at the Charlotte Goodguys... He set his engine back and moved it down then made a custom firewall for it all to work. That may be an idea. As for a NASCAR inspired 60-66 truck.... Dig up the pics of the on Richard Childress' Cup shop built... absolutely AWESOME!! Remember.... Nascar trailing arms bolt right up!
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I can't cut the firewall, it's too nice of a truck to start hacking it. And I want to be able to use the stock style firewall insulation/cover. I don't really want to cut a hole in the floor for the shifter, but that's the only way to get a decent manual transmission. I'll leave the engine where it is and use the stock mounts, as long as the T56 will fit without having to drop it any. I guess I got carried away planning all the go fast tricks and now reality is setting in. ![]()
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Correct, and filling the shifter hole later on wouldn't be a big deal to weld up and bodywork so the repair is undetectable.
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I got the rear bracing mocked up today with string to check for clearance issues. I put the trailing arm crossmember in upside down so the trailing arm brackets would be flipped, which was much easier than drilling out all of those rivets to flip the bracket!
Crossmember flipped and arms/axle in place at lowest drop height. ![]() String pulled to check bed floor clearance at full drop. ![]() X member bracing pattern laid out with string. The bottom tubing will have to be curved downward in the center to clear the driveshaft, which I can do with my tubing roller. The upper tubes will only need a slight bend to clear the trailing arms at full drop. ![]() ![]() ![]() The bottom tubes will be curved to roughly match the shape of the frame rails. I'll double check the amount of drop I'll need when I bring the driveshaft back to the shop and have the engine/T56 installed. ![]() ![]() Also decided to make the exhaust run through the crossmember and out the side through the frame rail. This will give more ground clearance and make routing the exhaust tubing easier than trying to go over the rear axle. ![]()
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Man this build is over the top!!! (and I thought I was crazy :-)
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Re: Project Goldilocks, '66 C10 SWB BBW Build
So with this much frame reinforcement, you are.....
dropping in a badazz drivetrain with sheetons of torque, or do you just live on a really bad road? I just figure this much engineering has to be for something (of course I probably missed it if you already explained it. Either it didnt sink in, or you didnt use small enough words and concepts for me to follow) Hahahahah. I do really like reading, Ok .... looking .... at this thread. I am gonna sit in the corner with my crayons now and not be a nusince....
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Crayons huh... Somebody should send you a PPG coloring book! ![]() I'm bracing the frame to keep it from twisting down its length. Right now it twist quite easily, much like a torsion bar would twist. The overall goal is to make the frame stiff so that the suspension works as it should instead of the frame deflecting and changing/reducing the effectiveness of the suspension's geometry. I'd like to eventually autocross the truck occasionally just for fun; I really enjoy driving anything that is nimble and responsive but I don't think just bolting on performace suspension parts will get the truck to the level I want it. A stiffer frame should make the truck more predictable, more solid feeling, have less sqeaks and rattles, and give a better overall driving experience. As far as the drivetrain, I'll eventually build an original 250 inline 6 for it, looking to get 350+hp from it. It'll get backed by a T56 six speed and a posi rear end. Posted via Mobile Device
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With the dual exhaust there is still the option of installing electric exhaust dumps at an H or X crossover. No doubt you are planning on a hotter ignition system, if not full electonic? What are your plans for air flow? Cold air induction, or some form of forced air like a blower or ram air? And I am guessing you are going to go with the smaller high torque starter as well, or will your flywheel shaving not make that a good idea? I guess the last thing you want to do is disintegrate your flywheel.... I hope to keep up with your engine build a lot easier than I can with the re-engineering of your frame!! This is going to be a great build...glad I got into it on the first posting !! Rock on man !!
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Very nice thought process, looks like you have thought of everything.
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Astronaut love what's happening with your build, I am curious though how or what is your plan to extract 350 hp out of that 250 inline? I know they are doing crazy things with the inline down in Brazil so I know it's possible. Just wondered what your thoughts were on the motor so far. Thanx...Vernski
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Here's what I've got planned so far. The hp numbers I posted are just a rough guess, but it shouldn't be too hard to make around 1.4 hp per cubic inch with a roller cam; my vw motor will make right at 1.5 hp/ci with a solid flat cam. 250x1.4 is 350, and I'm not sure how many cubic inches will be added from boring yet. Bore the block enough to clean up the cylinders and leave enough meat for any future rebuild. Balanced stock crank. Lighten the flywheel. Eagle forged 4340 rods, 5.7" Forged pistons, haven't found any "off the shelf" yet. I think it can be bored enough to fit 305 pistons. Head bolt boss removed from intake port, lump port kit installed. Larger valves, ported heads, decked for more compression. Block decked for .040-.050 deck height/quench. 13:1ish compression (will be running E85, 105 octane) Solid roller cam, wanting it to pull to around 7000-7200 rpm. Comp Cams Aluminum roller rockers, 1.75 ratio. ARP main and head stud kit. Triple Weber/Dellorto 2 barrel side draft carbs, or triple throttle bodies/efi. 6 into 1 header, single 3" exhaust, magnaflow/dynomax straight through muffler? I'll probably go though a few mufflers to get the sound I want, I'm pretty picky about how I want it to sound.
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I like the race magnum that they have. My buddy has them on his race truck and I them on my Duramax Diesel and they sound great.
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Nice build thread! I texted you last year about the extra bbw cab you had for sale, and I think I still have your number saved in my phone. I'm originally from Abbeville. I was looking through your posts and I think I recognize the place in some of your pics. Do you work at the place behind the high school right off of the 28 bypass? I remember taking a 50 Pontiac Chieftain convertible there to have a windshield put in when I worked at John's Rod Shop. After I left John's I worked at the Line-X right there across from the high school on 28 bypass.
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