The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1967 - 1972 Chevrolet & GMC Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-17-2024, 02:45 AM   #126
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Tonight I put the kids to sleep, grabbed a beer, and replaced the valve cover gasket on the 250. I also gave the valve cover a degreasing before I bolted it back up.

The rockers look sludgy, let’s see if this 250 will come back to life.
Attached Images
   
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 02:53 AM   #127
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Also, I haven’t had a chance to trace these wires yet but wondering if you guys may know where each is going…

To clarify, there is a wire coming from the battery’s + lead into the pictured bank. Then there’s 3 additional wires coming off of that hot bank. Thanks

By the way, one thing I am not used to at all is how difficult it is to reach the back of the motor on these C10 trucks lol. For example, getting to those back valve cover bolts should qualify me for the next Olympic gymnastics trials
Attached Images
 
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed

Last edited by Luke87gt; 08-17-2024 at 04:02 AM.
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 09:46 AM   #128
SRU1436
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: San Ramon, CA
Posts: 231
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke87gt View Post
Also, I haven’t had a chance to trace these wires yet but wondering if you guys may know where each is going…

To clarify, there is a wire coming from the battery’s + lead into the pictured bank. Then there’s 3 additional wires coming off of that hot bank. Thanks

By the way, one thing I am not used to at all is how difficult it is to reach the back of the motor on these C10 trucks lol. For example, getting to those back valve cover bolts should qualify me for the next Olympic gymnastics trials
Attached is the wiring diagram for the truck. You’re talking about the junction block. I am not sure if the straight 6 has an additional wire. This will help you get started. If you trace them it will help you figure where they go.

The engine bays on these trucks are large, sometimes I use a small step ladder to reach the back.
Attached Images
 
SRU1436 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 10:49 AM   #129
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Thank you for that!

It looks like one of the wires runs to the fuse box. The other is labeled “Engine Ham” … what is that?

And then I need to trace the 3rd mystery wire on my 6cyl
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 12:03 PM   #130
MikeB
Senior Member
 
MikeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: North Texas
Posts: 3,563
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

It's quite common to see other stuff wired to the junction block. But from the factory the junction block has a 12 gauge wire coming from the battery, and a second wire going through a 16 gauge fusible link, and then on to the "splice" on the drivers side of the radiator support. At the soldered splice, the battery wire is connected to the alternator output wire and the fuse panel feed wire.

It's been a while, but the mechanical regulator may also be connected to the splice.

If your truck has an ammeter instead of a warning lamp, the wire that runs from the battery junction block to the splice will actually be a resistance wire with tiny fuses on each end. The ammeter is actually just a voltmeter with "zero" in the center, and it responds to current flow and direction (charge/discharge) across the resistance wire. Kind of a strange way to do it, but I guess GM didn't want to run 30-40 amps into the cabin and use an actual ammeter.
__________________
Mike
1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes.
1982 C10 SWB -- sold
1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it!
1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming.
Retired as a factory automation products salesman.
Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop.
Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!
MikeB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 01:46 PM   #131
Steeveedee
Who Changed This?
 
Steeveedee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Simi Valley, CA
Posts: 10,578
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

^ GM was smart to use a shunt, in my book. I've been under the dash of many a Mopar with scorched wires at the ammeter. Thermal expansion and contraction eventually created a weak connection.
__________________
~Steven

'70 Chevy 3/4T Longhorn CST 402/400/3.56 Custom Camper

Simi Valley, CA
Steeveedee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 03:30 PM   #132
MikeB
Senior Member
 
MikeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: North Texas
Posts: 3,563
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Speaking of resistance wire: On some GM cars, instead of a ballast resistor on the firewall, the wire from ignition switch to coil is a resistance wire, and it was bundled in with other wires under the dash.

I worked on a 64 GTO that was hard to start, and wouldn't rev like it should. Turns out someone had added an HEI but left the resistance wire in place, so the distributor was getting only around 9 volts. That resistance wire was melted into an under-dash wire bundle, so I replaced it with a 12ga wire. After that, the engine started easy and revved well. But I had aches and pains from lying on my back!
__________________
Mike
1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes.
1982 C10 SWB -- sold
1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it!
1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming.
Retired as a factory automation products salesman.
Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop.
Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!
MikeB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 06:01 PM   #133
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Well it’s been a motivated weekend. I managed to get the 275/60/15 BFGs onto the 15x8 4.0” BS truck rally wheels.

Not on the truck yet but looks to be a big improvement over the wheels the truck arrived with.
Attached Images
 
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 09:04 PM   #134
1970cstblazer
All stock and staying that way
 
1970cstblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Elkland, PA
Posts: 1,660
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA



Still has at least one original T3 headlamp bulb!
__________________
1970 K/5 Blazer CST 4WD, Medium Bronze, 93k ACT. miles, 350, 4 speed, rear positraction, 16.5" x 8.25" HD wheel option, tilt, tach, vacuum, AM/FM, manual throttle...Dad ordered and purchased new 4/70. Currently frame off restoration finally getting close to completion..

1972 Cheyenne Super 20 2WD, DK Blue/White, 90K ACT. miles, 402, TH400, 4.10 open, tilt, tach, vacuum, A/C, AM/FM, manual throttle.. A mostly original paint never rusted Texas survivor...

2017 Sierra 1500 SLT 4WD, Black, 45k miles, 5.3, 6L80E, 3.42 LS, 20" polished wheels, everything but moonroof and 6.2...

2019 Canyon SLT 4WD, White, 62k miles, 3.6, 8L45, 3.23 LS, 18" wheels
1970cstblazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 10:33 PM   #135
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1970cstblazer View Post


Still has at least one original T3 headlamp bulb!
Wow, how can you tell that 😀
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 10:36 PM   #136
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

I will say that I am not used to the weight of these truck rally wheels.

I’m not sure what each weighs but it’s by far the heaviest wheel I’ve ever handled on a vehicle lol.

Each wheel needed 2-3oz of weight to balance out. With typical lightweight alloy sedan wheels, I typically need 0-0.5oz to balance.

Tire shop didn’t seem concerned and said although more weight is sometimes needed for steel truck wheels, they balanced out fine in the end.
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 10:46 PM   #137
1970cstblazer
All stock and staying that way
 
1970cstblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Elkland, PA
Posts: 1,660
Arrow Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke87gt View Post
Wow, how can you tell that 😀
The triangle in the middle of the bulb.
__________________
1970 K/5 Blazer CST 4WD, Medium Bronze, 93k ACT. miles, 350, 4 speed, rear positraction, 16.5" x 8.25" HD wheel option, tilt, tach, vacuum, AM/FM, manual throttle...Dad ordered and purchased new 4/70. Currently frame off restoration finally getting close to completion..

1972 Cheyenne Super 20 2WD, DK Blue/White, 90K ACT. miles, 402, TH400, 4.10 open, tilt, tach, vacuum, A/C, AM/FM, manual throttle.. A mostly original paint never rusted Texas survivor...

2017 Sierra 1500 SLT 4WD, Black, 45k miles, 5.3, 6L80E, 3.42 LS, 20" polished wheels, everything but moonroof and 6.2...

2019 Canyon SLT 4WD, White, 62k miles, 3.6, 8L45, 3.23 LS, 18" wheels
1970cstblazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 10:49 PM   #138
1970cstblazer
All stock and staying that way
 
1970cstblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Elkland, PA
Posts: 1,660
Arrow Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke87gt View Post
I will say that I am not used to the weight of these truck rally wheels.

I’m not sure what each weighs but it’s by far the heaviest wheel I’ve ever handled on a vehicle lol.

Each wheel needed 2-3oz of weight to balance out. With typical lightweight alloy sedan wheels, I typically need 0-0.5oz to balance.

Tire shop didn’t seem concerned and said although more weight is sometimes needed for steel truck wheels, they balanced out fine in the end.
Those wheels were originally solely on 4wd Blazers Suburbans and 1/2 ton trucks, so they had to be stout.
__________________
1970 K/5 Blazer CST 4WD, Medium Bronze, 93k ACT. miles, 350, 4 speed, rear positraction, 16.5" x 8.25" HD wheel option, tilt, tach, vacuum, AM/FM, manual throttle...Dad ordered and purchased new 4/70. Currently frame off restoration finally getting close to completion..

1972 Cheyenne Super 20 2WD, DK Blue/White, 90K ACT. miles, 402, TH400, 4.10 open, tilt, tach, vacuum, A/C, AM/FM, manual throttle.. A mostly original paint never rusted Texas survivor...

2017 Sierra 1500 SLT 4WD, Black, 45k miles, 5.3, 6L80E, 3.42 LS, 20" polished wheels, everything but moonroof and 6.2...

2019 Canyon SLT 4WD, White, 62k miles, 3.6, 8L45, 3.23 LS, 18" wheels
1970cstblazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 11:31 PM   #139
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1970cstblazer View Post
The triangle in the middle of the bulb.
Ahh, I see that on the lens
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed

Last edited by Luke87gt; 08-18-2024 at 10:36 PM.
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2024, 11:31 PM   #140
fourspeedwagon
Registered User
 
fourspeedwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Yakima Valley, Washington
Posts: 579
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke87gt View Post
Thank you for that!

It looks like one of the wires runs to the fuse box. The other is labeled “Engine Ham” … what is that?

And then I need to trace the 3rd mystery wire on my 6cyl
My guess is that says “Engine Harn.” short for harness. Not sure on the reason for such frugal use of ink there
__________________
1951 GMC 250 Open Express Pickup
1968 Suburban C10
1971 C20 Olive
“People are shocked when they find out I’m not a good electrician”
Dad told me “Son, never strike a man in anger- unless you’re certain you can get away with it”
fourspeedwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2024, 12:21 AM   #141
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Via online search I’m seeing an estimate of ~70lbs for a 15x8 truck rally with 275/60/15 tire. That means 280lbs of wheels! What a handicap!

I love the look of these wheels but might have to rethink these over the long term as I get into improving the handling, braking, and acceleration of the truck.
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2024, 02:50 PM   #142
Rust_never_sleeps
Senior Member
 
Rust_never_sleeps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: San Ramon,CA
Posts: 547
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke87gt View Post
By the way, one thing I am not used to at all is how difficult it is to reach the back of the motor on these C10 trucks lol. For example, getting to those back valve cover bolts should qualify me for the next Olympic gymnastics trials
I'm 6'5" and I have to use a stool to comfortably doink around with the alternator etc. back there for more than a few minutes
Of course, then I bang my head on the hood a lot
The truck always wins
__________________
1970 C10 Custom longbed 350/350
Rust_never_sleeps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2024, 04:24 PM   #143
MikeB
Senior Member
 
MikeB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: North Texas
Posts: 3,563
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke87gt View Post
I will say that I am not used to the weight of these truck rally wheels.

I’m not sure what each weighs but it’s by far the heaviest wheel I’ve ever handled on a vehicle lol.
Yes. Even when I was 20 years younger, they were a b|tch to pick up and put in place. Now I set them on a 2x6 and wobble them on. Even then, it's tough to do.
__________________
Mike
1969 C10 LWB -- owned for 35 years. 350/TH350, 3.08 posi, 1st Gen Vintage Air, AAW wiring harness, 5-lug conversion, 1985 spindles and brakes.
1982 C10 SWB -- sold
1981 C10 Silverado LWB -- sold, but wish I still had it!
1969 C10 (not the current one) that I bought in the early 1980s. Paid $1200; sold for $1500 a few years later. Just a hint at the appreciation that was coming.
Retired as a factory automation products salesman.
Worked part-time over the years for an engine builder and a classic car repair shop.
Member here for 24 years! This is the very first car/truck Internet forum I joined. I still used a dial-up modem back then!
MikeB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2024, 10:40 PM   #144
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
Yes. Even when I was 20 years younger, they were a b|tch to pick up and put in place. Now I set them on a 2x6 and wobble them on. Even then, it's tough to do.
Thanks for sharing. I’ll probably make my first attempt at actually bolting those wheels up to the truck next weekend and will report back on the fun 😀
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2024, 05:24 PM   #145
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Finally got the wheels mounted. Looks much much better than the previous wheels.

15x8 rally 4.0” BS
275-60-15 BFG Radial T/A

I did run into a roadblock in that one of the center cap bolt holes was stripped (didn’t notice that when I was buying the wheels).

I wrapped the center cap bolt in copper wire and that did the trick. Not necessarily a permanent fix (may have to heli-coil) but fine for now.
Attached Images
  
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2024, 07:45 PM   #146
68bowtie
Senior Member
 
68bowtie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Turlock, CA
Posts: 8,737
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Looks good
__________________
Please help my sister in law with her battle with cancer https://gofund.me/902f6fce

Project "C10 Fever" (68 factory black 396 swb)
Project "Little Sister" (70 c10 blue original paint refresh)
Project "Blue Bomb" (70 c30 blue original paint refresh) SOLD
Project "Vitamin C" (71 c10 orange original paint refresh) SOLD
68bowtie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2024, 09:43 PM   #147
yuccales
Registered User
 
yuccales's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Northern Calif.
Posts: 3,743
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

They look great!
yuccales is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2024, 11:40 PM   #148
Luke87gt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 232
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

Thanks guys, I also thought this was interesting.

The spare tire the truck came with was a “JCPenny” brand tire. I assume it’s original?
Attached Images
 
__________________
1969 C10 Shortbed
Luke87gt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2024, 06:12 AM   #149
70 shorty
Where's my beer?
 
70 shorty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Glen Allen, VA
Posts: 1,772
Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

A JCPenny brand tire would not have been original.
__________________
70 C10, shortstep, .30 over 250,Hurst shifted 3 spd parts hauler. Holley 390, Clifford Intake, Header, ported cylinder head, unknown bigger cam.
79 Corvette L82, 4 spd, black, red interior, headers, flowmasters, and unkown bigger cam.
'03 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.0 4x4 daily driver. 165K miles, and runs great
'08 Tahoe LTZ 4x4 155K
70 shorty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2024, 07:34 AM   #150
1970cstblazer
All stock and staying that way
 
1970cstblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Elkland, PA
Posts: 1,660
Lightbulb Re: Purchased a 1969 C10 Short Bed - Pleasanton, CA

JCP has been out of the auto business since 1983.
__________________
1970 K/5 Blazer CST 4WD, Medium Bronze, 93k ACT. miles, 350, 4 speed, rear positraction, 16.5" x 8.25" HD wheel option, tilt, tach, vacuum, AM/FM, manual throttle...Dad ordered and purchased new 4/70. Currently frame off restoration finally getting close to completion..

1972 Cheyenne Super 20 2WD, DK Blue/White, 90K ACT. miles, 402, TH400, 4.10 open, tilt, tach, vacuum, A/C, AM/FM, manual throttle.. A mostly original paint never rusted Texas survivor...

2017 Sierra 1500 SLT 4WD, Black, 45k miles, 5.3, 6L80E, 3.42 LS, 20" polished wheels, everything but moonroof and 6.2...

2019 Canyon SLT 4WD, White, 62k miles, 3.6, 8L45, 3.23 LS, 18" wheels
1970cstblazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com