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Weiand Street Warrior Dual Plane intake manifold Holley 4160 carburetor Mr. Gasket open element air cleaner Petronix HEI distributor these Hooker Competition headers Summit X 2.25" pipe dual exhaust The goal is to see what is the horse power gain over stock / my first baseline of 190 if any. |
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Re: Restoring Rusty - Long Tube Headers
on the passenger side we had some interference with the hard fuel line(s) to and evap line, as well as the rear brake line
no idea why GM decided to loop the lines under the engine cross member instead of continuing on straight inside the frame rail channel Last edited by Gregski; 05-14-2015 at 03:24 PM. |
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I know this has become a long thread, but I already did all these things, the distributor has been installed months ago, all that's left is the headers, going in today
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decided this was as good a time as any to delete the charcoal canister, after all getting rid of it would also get rid of at least one of them three hard lines
and so I yanked it all out, including the long noodle evap hard line all in one piece, how impressive is that folks, JK Last edited by Gregski; 05-14-2015 at 03:24 PM. |
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Re: Restoring Rusty - Charcoal Canister Delete
now before we git into an argument why in the world would I remove the charcoal canister, lemme just say, betcha didn't realize it is hallow on the bottom?
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OK, with the evap fuel line removed and the others shoved out of the way got the passenger side long tube header installed
no major plug wire issues on this side like the #5 on the opposite side bottom A arm has plenty of clearance too |
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I was looking things over in my 87 today and it looks to me like getting headers in there might be a pain. The motor mounts look like they will hit them. I was wondering about the legality of removing the emissions crap that goes into the manifolds. Since obviously the tubes in the manifold will be removed when you put the headers on it obviously the egr thingy will not be hooked up correctly. So, if you live in a state or area that requires emission testing will it pass? Being in California I am sure you have to deal with it.
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He had the EGR tubes in the manifolds, which are part of emissions, and the charcoal canister. I understand he doesn't have all the crap I have but I am just curious how the headers will effect the inspections.
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I did not realize that. I might be heading to an area that requires inspections and if I am not mistaken they require them to have all the original emissions crap no matter the age. I would have pulled it all off if it weren't for this.
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Gregski: What I did with the 5/7 and 6/8 wires is reverse the looming on them. I bring 5 off in the 7 loom and go down and forward, and bring 7 forward to the 5 loom and then go down and back. This is with the Hooker 2453 (for K trucks) so not sure if you can do the same thing or not.
In this pic, on the back looming hooks, you would think the wires would be 1-3-5-7 counting out from the valve cover, but they're not. It's 1-3-7-5. So the 5 wire comes off first, goes down then forward, then the 7 wire comes off, goes down and back. ![]()
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had my two pipes exfoliated, at a muffler shop, $5 bucks to do both, I will give them my business again when I have a bigger job, very appreciative
got to watch how they did it, pretty cool machine, no idea how I could have given it that much force manually |
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Re: Restoring Rusty - Header Bolt Set
had to pick up a Header Bold Set, basically shorter bolts since the headers are less bulky, and smaller heads, 7/16 instead of 9/16
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after hours and hours of measuring, swearing, and trying different arrangements, in the end, cut 6" off the front side of the X with my trusty 4" angle grinder/cut off wheel and ran it the wider way, and 1 inch off the rear which I ran the shorter way
doing this as a one man circus act was NO fun! |
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... after 14 long hours we were done !!! and by WE I mean the Royal We, lol so at 10:30 PM I fired her up for the first time... Note: This included picking kid up from school, going to the muffler shop, and the auto parts house. |
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real vroom vroom noises are the best. congrats man.
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speaking of that VHT paint I used on the headers, it says
After paint is completely dry it must be cured to substantially increase the durability of the finish and and enhance chemical resistance. Finish is not chemical resistant until cured. there are 2 ways to cure them, Off The Vehicle and On The Vehicle We focus on the On The Vehicle method.
allow me to translate that for you... [ahem] making a good header coating product is difficult, making a good header coating product in a ratlle can is impossible, but there is definately a need, and it can be very lucrative, so what if we make a mediocre product and put the onus on the car guy to screw things up by giving him ridiculous procedures first to read in fine print (cause we know no one does) and then to follow (again no one will) then if the results aren't what they expect, well they only have themselves to blame, heck maybe they'll even buy a second can to try it again |
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now why do I need such a contraption when Rusty is a carburated, well you can tune a carburetor real good like if you know the exact precise air fuel ratio, so some day I would like to connect a permanent Air Fuel gauge and this way I will already have that provision[/QUOTE]
could you or someone explain what you are talking about here I've heard about these just not exactly sure of it |
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Narrowband only shows you Lean - Good - Rich states, where as a wideband displays the actual ratio number on a digital display ie 14.7 the one I plan on getting is a single gauge with two O2 (Oxygen sensors) connected to it. The O2 sensors get installed in the exhaust pipes after the exhaust manifolds or headers and before the catalytic converters if you got em. Since I have a V8 engine with dual exhaust I want one sensor in each pipe so that I can see how balanced my banks of cylinders are. Is one running rich while the other side is running lean for example. Here is one of the products, it is pretty expensive, this is not a cheap $20 dollar guage we are talking about here. INNOVATE DLG-1: Dual Lambda (AFR) Gauge Kit includes the DLG-1 gauge, (2) Wideband oxygen OČ sensors, (2) 8 ft sensor cables, LC-2 Wideband Controller, (2) OČ sensor weld-on bungs, Black/Silver bezel, Black/White faceplate, Serial program cable, & Installation manual. P/N: 3891 MSRP $399 http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/dlg1.php |
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Ok so I've never seen the digital gauge like that reading both sensors, I'm guessing your going for more power and fuel efficiency with that setup.
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You can get FAR cheaper setups to use a Wideband. For example there is a company up in here in Canada that you can get the cabling and O2 sensor for $100 for one side. It obviously gets more expensive when you are running dual exhaust such as Gregg is as both sides need to be equal.
The funny thing is its a $300 part that you'll use once and then put it away because once your carb is tuned it should be pretty good forever. |
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